Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[MarkvW]

I checked your posts today - where have you made any link to ESPN?


No, not inaccurate, just irrelevant.
Why would it matter when USPS updated or amended a contract to a Federal investigation being done by the FDA?

I only posted one link today. Maybe it's not ESPN. Click on it. (Post 9246):

Maybe it wouldn't matter, maybe it would. The 2000 four-year contract is the first one I've seen. I haven't been able to find any amendments pertaining to doping. Were there subsequent contract amendments pertaining to doping?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Can your nose get any browner?

Can your nose get any further out of joint?

BTW is it the sober ChrisE or the drunk ChrisE that has humor?
If its the former grab a coffee, the latter have a drink.

 

[MacRoadie]

And nowhere is Lance listed as a director.
Just a rider. Until October 2005.

Christ Almighty. Here comes 10 pages pointing out to you for the tenth time that the Texas document doesn't say that.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I only posted one link today. Maybe it's not ESPN. Click on it. (Post 9246):

Maybe it wouldn't matter, maybe it would. The 2000 four-year contract is the first one I've seen. I haven't been able to find any amendments pertaining to doping. Were there subsequent contract amendments pertaining to doping?

Ok so you think "maybe it wouldn't matter, maybe it would" - when we know it has nothing to do with the FDA?

And now you want to know "were there subsequent amendments" to something that irrelevant?
Why don't you just read the links you posted?

 

[Velodude]

It appears that DFP/Tailwind cut its last big contract with USPS in 2000 (the one with doping and morals clauses). My ref is a link in the ESPN article I posted a link to earlier today. The earliest that the Clinic has marked Lance as a director of DFP/Tailwind is 2002. There doesn't appear to be any indication that Lance was a director when the USPS contract was signed.

Is that inaccurate?

Would not matter, Counselor.

As long as he is a director or shareholder at any time while that contract was being performed.

As far as "Tailwind", Armstrong invoiced "Tailwind Sports" in August 2001 for $1.47m for his stage wins and yellow jersey bonuses in the 2001 TdF. Can't see any reason why the "supplier" changed for 2002-2004. The USPS audit office refers to "Tailwind" in 2003.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Gosh, only $30,000 for Luz Ardiden.

 

[Race Radio]

Would not matter, Counselor.

As long as he is a director or shareholder at any time while that contract was being performed.

As far as "Tailwind", Armstrong invoiced "Tailwind Sports" in August 2001 for $1.47m for his stage wins and yellow jersey bonuses in the 2001 TdF. Can't see any reason why the "supplier" changed for 2002-2004. The USPS audit office refers to "Tailwind" in 2003.

Hummm, what is $15,000 for "Remaining deductible"?

Wonderboy paid his own insurance policy?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Gosh, only $30,000 for Luz Ardiden.

He was 4th on that stage!

 

[Velodude]

Ok so you think "maybe it wouldn't matter, maybe it would" - when we know it has nothing to do with the FDA?

And now you want to know "were there subsequent amendments" to something that irrelevant?
Why don't you just read the links you posted?

USPS amended the contract in April 2003 (during 2002-2004 period of contract) effectively giving Tailwind a rap over the knuckles for mismanagement.

The 2003 audit conducted by the USPS Inspector General faulted officials for "ineffectively" managing extras, such as event tickets and invitations.

Note the error by USPS in referring to "Tailwind Cycling"

 

[Velodude]

Ah, I get it. DFP is Tailwind's predecessor in interest. So they be the same thing.

No it is not Tailwind's predecessor. It is the same registered entity at law that elected to change its name.

MarkvW can change his name by deed poll numerous times. Does not change your appearance, the ownership of assets, marriage (if any), surviving issue, your liabilities, your social security number, etc..

 

[Cobblestoned]

Gosh, only $30,000 for Luz Ardiden.

He was 4th on that stage!

Man, fail of the day I guess. Tears in my eyes.

Chapeau, Doc, for your pragmatism and patience. You are you married and already neutralized I guess ?

Anyway, I will/would mock mewmewmew13 until end of the year for that one.
It's over soon, mew.

btw, Chamrousse TT was great !

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Man, fail of the day I guess. Tears in my eyes.

Chapeau, Doc, for your pragmatism and patience. You are you married and already neutralized I guess ?

Anyway, I will/would mock mewmewmew13 until end of the year for that one.
It's over soon, mew.

btw, Chamrousse TT was great !

The one where LA beat Ullrich? Rather strange thing for an Ullrich fan to say?

 

[Cobblestoned]

The one where LA beat Ullrich? Rather strange thing for an Ullrich fan to say?

cycling fan...
great idea, great area.
I was still hating Lance back then. That process of maturing and becoming wise wasn't finished yet, you know. buuuhh.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

cycling fan...
I was still hating Lance back then. That process of maturing and becoming wise wasn't finished yet, you know. buuuhh.

You were a Lance hater? Must admit I have no idea what that would be like.
So when you were giving out about them on the "German forums" you were discussing yourself?

Anyway, I am sure you haven't many years to go before you mature.

 

[Cobblestoned]

You were a Lance hater? Must admit I have no idea what that would be like.
So when you were giving out about them on the "German forums" you were discussing yourself?

Anyway, I am sure you haven't many years to go before you mature.

I am only visiting forums since 2006, shortly after Puerto, lol

Thank you, doc. That can be fixed over the years.
But neutralized will always be neutralized.

 

[MarkvW]

I checked your posts today - where have you made any link to ESPN?


No, not inaccurate, just irrelevant.
Why would it matter when USPS updated or amended a contract to a Federal investigation being done by the FDA?

No it is not Tailwind's predecessor. It is the same registered entity at law that elected to change its name.

MarkvW can change his name by deed poll numerous times. Does not change your appearance, the ownership of assets, marriage (if any), surviving issue, your liabilities, your social security number, etc..

So when I said that THEY BE THE SAME THING, was that right?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I am only visiting forums since 2006, shortly after Puerto, lol

Thank you, doc. That can be fixed over the years.

Maybe as part of your therapy you should stay away from any LA thread as all this news about his doping and fraud could cause you to suffer a relapse.

But neutralized will always be neutralized.

No idea what that means.

 

[MarkvW]

Ok so you think "maybe it wouldn't matter, maybe it would" - when we know it has nothing to do with the FDA?

And now you want to know "were there subsequent amendments" to something that irrelevant?
Why don't you just read the links you posted?

I've yet to see any doping-related amendments in the link I posted. Maybe I missed a doping-related amendment. Maybe there are doping-related amendments elsewhere; that's why I asked you.

If only FDA-related charges are relevant, then Lance is almost home free. How often do you see serious felony prosecutions originating from the FDA?

 

[mewmewmew13]

Man, fail of the day I guess. Tears in my eyes.

Chapeau, Doc, for your pragmatism and patience. You are you married and already neutralized I guess ?

Anyway, I will/would mock mewmewmew13 until end of the year for that one.
It's over soon, mew.

btw, Chamrousse TT was great !

Just because I didn't put up rolly-eye face...
tuh

 

[mewmewmew13]

Maybe as part of your therapy you should stay away from any LA thread as all this news about his doping and fraud could cause you to suffer a relapse.


No idea what that means.

neutralized=neutered?
not sure with Cobbledy..

 

[Velodude]

So when I said that THEY BE THE SAME THING, was that right?

No. You used the precise word "predecessor".

Predecessor definition

pred·e·ces·sor/ˈpredəˌsesər/Noun:

1.A person who held a job or office before the current holder.
2.A thing followed or replaced by another.

In our fantasy courtroom skirmish will your opening salvo be to file for a dismissal for naming the wrong defendant once, and if, Tailwind is indicted?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I've yet to see any doping-related amendments in the link I posted. Maybe I missed a doping-related amendment. Maybe there are doping-related amendments elsewhere; that's why I asked you.

When Cobblestoned pretends he is German he makes more sense.

If only FDA-related charges are relevant, then Lance is almost home free. How often do you see serious felony prosecutions originating from the FDA?

So LA is "almost home free" because.... wait for it, the FDA rarely prosecute?

Hmm, they rarely spend long periods and lots of money investigating too, though, right?

 

[Cobblestoned]

Maybe as part of your therapy you should stay away from any LA thread as all this news about his doping and fraud could cause you to suffer a relapse.


No idea what that means.

News ?
Looking forward to it. It's going to be another hard month for us fanboys I guess.
No idea ? Beeing married can neutralize even the strongest men.
Some always visit me to cry me a river and then I do some therapy sessions on them. life is good.

 

[MarkvW]

Ok so you think "maybe it wouldn't matter, maybe it would" - when we know it has nothing to do with the FDA?

And now you want to know "were there subsequent amendments" to something that irrelevant?
Why don't you just read the links you posted?

Would not matter, Counselor.

As long as he is a director or shareholder at any time while that contract was being performed.

As far as "Tailwind", Armstrong invoiced "Tailwind Sports" in August 2001 for $1.47m for his stage wins and yellow jersey bonuses in the 2001 TdF. Can't see any reason why the "supplier" changed for 2002-2004. The USPS audit office refers to "Tailwind" in 2003.

Armstrong didn't invoice anything. Armstrong was a contractual asset of Tailwind. Armstrong had no contractual privity with USPS. The doc is just Tailwind's saying that USPS owes them all that money for the results earned by its contractual asset.

You sure like the idea that the director of a limited liability company is criminally liable for acts performed by agents of the company on behalf of the company--even without the director's knowledge of those acts. If that was the law, there'd be a lot of bank directors in jail right now!

 

[Race Radio]

I've yet to see any doping-related amendments in the link I posted. Maybe I missed a doping-related amendment. Maybe there are doping-related amendments elsewhere; that's why I asked you.

If only FDA-related charges are relevant, then Lance is almost home free. How often do you see serious felony prosecutions originating from the FDA?

Each year, the FDA OCI investigates about 1,200 criminal cases that result in the arrests of about 300 criminal suspects. From 1993 through November 2010, agents made 5,702 arrests that resulted in 4,748 convictions and more than $11 billion in fines and restitution.

But I am sure they have nothing on Lance. His achievements were fueled by hope, hard work and unicorn tears.