Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Race Radio]

Maybe the investigation has broadened to Lance's restaurants! They've gotta get him for something, because (wait for it) . . .there's an investigation going on!

Given that the FDA does not run the case and there are DEA, IRS, an FBI agents working on it I think you are right. Only some of the charges will be from the FDA

 

[Anonymous]

No point in being sarcastically disingenuous. I'm only talking about criminal anyway.

I would have thought you would stay away longer after writing the whole "5th Amendment always applies and on stupid people think otherwise" and having me show you just how wrong you were. Your condescension toward others is unwarranted.

 

[Polish]

Would like to switch gears for a moment away from the Pretend World of Imaginary Indictments where the line between the relevant and irrevelant is irrevelant. Over to the material world of wood and glass and steel...

Nice article in Bloomberg news comparing and contrasting the HQ's of the Gates Foundation and LiveStrong. Interesting article I think:

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/20...yed-down-in-design-of-500-million-campus.html]

At 30,000 square feet, Livestrong is tiny compared to Gates, with a simpler mission focused on people in deep distress. Rather than fence off emotion, the foundation and its architecture invite it in, with the result that the place has a cheerful energy utterly invisible at the posh, sober Gates.

 

[Race Radio]

Would like to switch gears for a moment away from the Pretend World of Imaginary Indictments where the line between the relevant and irrevelant is irrevelant. Over to the material world of wood and glass and steel...

Nice article in Bloomberg news comparing and contrasting the HQ's of the Gates Foundation and LiveStrong. Interesting article I think:

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/20...yed-down-in-design-of-500-million-campus.html]

Thanks for the link Polish. Interesting contrast between a real foundation that does real work and has real assets and another whose primary focus is building a myth and selling t-shirts

 

[MacRoadie]

Would like to switch gears for a moment away from the Pretend World of Imaginary Indictments where the line between the relevant and irrevelant is irrevelant. Over to the material world of wood and glass and steel...

Nice article in Bloomberg news comparing and contrasting the HQ's of the Gates Foundation and LiveStrong. Interesting article I think:

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/20...yed-down-in-design-of-500-million-campus.html]

So, some staff writer at Bloomberg (who likely knows nothing about architecture) doesn't like the Gates Foundation building. Very relevant indeed.

Speaking of relevancy, how about THIS information:

FAQ About Our New Campus

I suppose when you have an endowment of nearly $34 BILLION dollars, and have distributed over $26 BILLION in the last 17 years ($3 BILLION last year alone), you just might need slightly larger digs than some shell cover for a money-making scam.

P.S. Please note that in those 17 years, over $15 BILLION (that's a "15" with nine zeros) went to global health care. Not awareness, actual health care.

Global Health Program

Our Global Health Program harnesses advances in science and technology to save lives in poor countries. We focus on the health problems that have a major impact in developing countries but get too little attention and funding. Where proven tools exist, we support sustainable ways to improve their delivery. Where they don’t, we invest in research and development of new interventions, such as vaccines, drugs, and diagnostics.

How many of those places has the Livestrong jet landed in recently? They must figure Lance has all the rich countries covered in his global awareness program.You know countries like the US, Australia, Spain, France, Switzerland, the UK, etc. All those places he rode his bike during 2.0 ("This time it's for free").

I'm going to bet that those poor children in Sub-Saharan Africa who are benefitting from cleaner water and vaccines against illness really don't care what the Gates Foundation building looks like.

 

[thehog]

So, some staff writer at Bloomberg (who likely knows nothing about architecture) doesn't like the Gates Foundation building. Very relevant indeed.

Speaking of relevancy, how about THIS information:

FAQ About Our New Campus

I suppose when you have an endowment of nearly $34 BILLION dollars, and have distributed over $26 BILLION in the last 17 years ($3 BILLION last year alone), you just might need slightly larger digs than some shell cover for a money-making scam.

P.S. Please note that in those 17 years, over $15 BILLION (that's a "15" with nine zeros) went to global health care. Not awareness, actual health care.

Global Health Program



How many of those places has the Livestrong jet landed in recently? They must figure Lance has all the rich countries covered in his global awareness program.You know countries like the US, Australia, Spain, France, Switzerland, the UK, etc. All those places he rode his bike during 2.0 ("This time it's for free").

I'm going to bet that those poor children in Sub-Saharan Africa who are benefitting from cleaner water and vaccines against illness really don't care what the Gates Foundation building looks like.

The Livestrong HQ is fairly impressive but it has also donated in the billions ;-)

And look at those yellow jersey's on the wall!

http://www.archinnovations.com/feat...itects-livestrong-foundation-in-austin-texas/

 

[Polish]

So, some staff writer at Bloomberg (who likely knows nothing about architecture) doesn't like the Gates Foundation building. Very relevant indeed.

Speaking of relevancy, how about THIS information:

FAQ About Our New Campus

I suppose when you have an endowment of nearly $34 BILLION dollars, and have distributed over $26 BILLION in the last 17 years ($3 BILLION last year alone), you just might need slightly larger digs than some shell cover for a money-making scam.

P.S. Please note that in those 17 years, over $15 BILLION (that's a "15" with nine zeros) went to global health care. Not awareness, actual health care.

Global Health Program



How many of those places has the Livestrong jet landed in recently? They must figure Lance has all the rich countries covered in his global awareness program.You know countries like the US, Australia, Spain, France, Switzerland, the UK, etc. All those places he rode his bike during 2.0 ("This time it's for free").

I'm going to bet that those poor children in Sub-Saharan Africa who are benefitting from cleaner water and vaccines against illness really don't care what the Gates Foundation building looks like.

Geez, just saying the Livestrong HQ is well done, thats all.

Btw, all the WalMart Bike Depts combined are HUGE compared to Mellow Johnnys bike shop. But Mellow Johnnys is well done too. Size isn't everything you know.

 

[Velodude]

Multiple incorrect predictions made by a retired Judge are just as bad as multiple incorrect predictions made by a Marine Biologist.

Some would argue worse, but not me.

I'm an Architect, and I predict the indictments will be handed down on Nigel Tufnel Day......11/11/11

Polish, don't think you should be using a cycling doping forum to flaunt your professional wares to tacitly tout for business

 

[Digger]

Geez, just saying the Livestrong HQ is well done, thats all.

Btw, all the WalMart Bike Depts combined are HUGE compared to Mellow Johnnys bike shop. But Mellow Johnnys is well done too. Size isn't everything you know.

I have a massive problem with Lance's global awareness campaign as has been noted. Why go to countries that entail appearance fees or his own selfish motives? Surely 'awareness' would benefit third world countries more? Or does he do anything for non selfish reasons...as evidenced by his concerted media campaign against Contador for six months prior to the '09 Tour.

 

[Anonymous]

The Livestrong HQ is fairly impressive but it has also donated in the billions ;-)

And look at those yellow jersey's on the wall!

http://www.archinnovations.com/feat...itects-livestrong-foundation-in-austin-texas/

2007 called, they want their building back.

 

[Anonymous]

I have a massive problem with Lance's global awareness campaign as has been noted. Why go to countries that entail appearance fees or his own selfish motives? Surely 'awareness' would benefit third world countries more? Or does he do anything for non selfish reasons...as evidenced by his concerted media campaign against Contador for six months prior to the '09 Tour.

Promoting "cancer awareness" in third world ****holes doesn't pay the bills. Plus, there is a dearth of cameras and hospital beds with pretty children hooked up to IV meds to have your picture made with. Also, when you tell a third world child to "livestrong" they will tell you to go **** yourself.

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No, there was a point. You just didn't get it.

 

[Maxiton]

Is it Tuesday yet?

 

[Francois the Postman]

Is it Tuesday yet?

That point has been made so often now, given the red line we drew, consider it to apply to that comment in this thread too.

 

[Berzin]

Armstrong ushered in the "corporatization" of cycling with stuff like this, which is one of the reasons I can't stand him. Everything he did was set up to squeeze every possible dime out of the situation, whether it was legal or not.

Was Tailwind Sports set up solely to pay Armstrong Tour bonuses? What type of company was/is Tailwind? Do they actually do something, or do they sell vaporware like Livestrong?

And I've never understood the relationship he had with SCA. This company let him bet on himself to win one of his Tours and they were stupid enough to go along?

I've never heard of anything like this in my life. How did SCA expect to make money from this?

 

[MarkvW]

Armstrong ushered in the "corporatization" of cycling with stuff like this, which is one of the reasons I can't stand him. Everything he did was set up to squeeze every possible dime out of the situation, whether it was legal or not.

Was Tailwind Sports set up solely to pay Armstrong Tour bonuses? What type of company was/is Tailwind? Do they actually do something, or do they sell vaporware like Livestrong?

And I've never understood the relationship he had with SCA. This company let him bet on himself to win one of his Tours and they were stupid enough to go along?

I've never heard of anything like this in my life. How did SCA expect to make money from this?

The money source was USPS. USPS paid bonuses for the items described in your post. USPS viewed the promotional value of Armstrong's achievements as worth the bonus money paid.

The riders sure need a union, though.

 

[uspostal]

Armstrong ushered in the "corporatization" of cycling with stuff like this, which is one of the reasons I can't stand him. Everything he did was set up to squeeze every possible dime out of the situation, whether it was legal or not.

Was Tailwind Sports set up solely to pay Armstrong Tour bonuses? What type of company was/is Tailwind? Do they actually do something, or do they sell vaporware like Livestrong?

And I've never understood the relationship he had with SCA. This company let him bet on himself to win one of his Tours and they were stupid enough to go along?

I've never heard of anything like this in my life. How did SCA expect to make money from this?

I would the take it that you also hate every sports team owner and every sports person who want to capitalize on either their name or their talent. People making money off their ability, heaven for bid. I believe you work and make money off your ability. So do you hate yourself. Sports people have been making money off their ability all along. Are you mad that LA was the 1st to bring it to cycling on such a grand scale, or he realized that by winning 1 race he could be famous in the USA. Anyway people make money off their ability doing the everyday job they have.

 

[Berzin]

I would the take it that you also hate every sports team owner and every sports person who want to capitalize on either their name or their talent. People making money off their ability, heaven for bid. I believe you work and make money off your ability. So do you hate yourself. Sports people have been making money off their ability all along. Are you mad that LA was the 1st to bring it to cycling on such a grand scale, or he realized that by winning 1 race he could be famous in the USA. Anyway people make money off their ability doing the everyday job they have.

Your post is totally bogus.

Betting on yourself when you have the market cornered on cheating with PEDS and having the UCI in your back pocket isn't called "working for yours".

It's called cheating.

At this point in the game such a matter would zoom over your head only because of where your head is at, but he didn't earn anything through his work.

He cheated harder and better than everyone else. Or have you not heard what he's been accused of?

 

[peterst6906]

Armstrong ushered in the "corporatization" of cycling with stuff like this, which is one of the reasons I can't stand him. Everything he did was set up to squeeze every possible dime out of the situation, whether it was legal or not.

I agree. All the revenue from the sport should stay with the UCI, organisers and sponsors.

How dare the riders try to gain an additional share of the revenue based on performance.

That's just not right. The real Corporations all the way.

 

[Anonymous]

I would the take it that you also hate every sports team owner and every sports person who want to capitalize on either their name or their talent. People making money off their ability, heaven for bid. I believe you work and make money off your ability. So do you hate yourself. Sports people have been making money off their ability all along. Are you mad that LA was the 1st to bring it to cycling on such a grand scale, or he realized that by winning 1 race he could be famous in the USA. Anyway people make money off their ability doing the everyday job they have.

I just hate Armstrong.

 

[ChrisE]

Your post is totally bogus.

Betting on yourself when you have the market cornered on cheating with PEDS and having the UCI in your back pocket isn't called "working for yours".

It's called cheating.

At this point in the game such a matter would zoom over your head only because of where your head is at, but he didn't earn anything through his work.

He cheated harder and better than everyone else. Or have you not heard what he's been accused of?

That's your opinion, and you have no way of knowing what the UCI etal were doing with other riders as well.

We saw it last year with the attempted AC coverup for example.

 

[Berzin]

I agree. All the revenue from the sport should stay with the UCI, organisers and sponsors.

How dare the riders try to gain an additional share of the revenue based on performance.

That's just not right. The real Corporations all the way.

Read post #9301.

Obtuse is no way to go through life, my son.

 

[Berzin]

That's your opinion, and you have no way of knowing what the UCI etal were doing with other riders as well.

He was able to make a positive test go away I think at the Tour de Suisse in 2001 or 2002 with a personal meeting at the UCI offices along with his director sportif.

Remember the Hamilton interview on "60 Minutes", or do we have to keep repeating the same things to you guys over and over again?

We saw it last year with the attempted AC coverup for example.

Nice try. Grasping at straws is all you guys have left.

Anyways, have a Happy New Year, everyone!!! See you guys come indictment time!!!

 

[Race Radio]

I would the take it that you also hate every sports team owner and every sports person who want to capitalize on either their name or their talent. People making money off their ability, heaven for bid. I believe you work and make money off your ability. So do you hate yourself. Sports people have been making money off their ability all along. Are you mad that LA was the 1st to bring it to cycling on such a grand scale, or he realized that by winning 1 race he could be famous in the USA. Anyway people make money off their ability doing the everyday job they have.

Most people don't have a problem with people making money off their ability.....but many have an issue with a person who pays off the cops

 

[mewmewmew13]

Yes, it is admirable to make a living from an honest day's work using your abilities.
There seems to be a problem here with 'honest' as regards Lance.

Also. would it be acceptable for someone to destroy reputations and bully employees and co-workers to make sure your will was carried out?

 

[Velodude]

The money source was USPS. USPS paid bonuses for the items described in your post. USPS viewed the promotional value of Armstrong's achievements as worth the bonus money paid.

The riders sure need a union, though.

No, that is not correct that USPS specifically paid bonuses to riders (above fixed contractual salaries) for stage wins and holding the yellow jersey as specified.

The contract was between USPS and Tailwind Sports LLC (formerly named DFP Cycling LLC), a corporation that owned the US Postal cycling team.

Over the period of the contract USPS was limited to paying annual bonuses to riders collectively that was capped and ranged from $100,000 to $150,000. (see full contract)

Any payments above those amounts were outside the contract and would have been sourced from general team funds from other sponsors, merchandise sales, ASO payments (LA claimed one year $400,000 was paid to team by ASO) and, ho hum, sales of team bikes and equipment.

Also factor in the funds from those poor misguided wealthy souls who made hefty contributions as Tailwind investors, "the Champions Club", just to have limited audiences with the great man.