Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[MarkvW]

O goody - you're bored and want to take the discussion in a new and exciting direction and cover topics that haven't already been covered.

I can't wait to read it.......




Ah, go back about 50 pages and read from there as it has already been covered..

I didn't ask for an answer to these questions and I didn't ask for another insulting post from you. Just something to think about.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I didn't ask for an answer to these questions ....

You asked questions, but you don't want answers?

and I didn't ask for another insulting post from you. Just something to think about.

Actually, do you know what, you did.

Your questions (that aren't questions) have already been discussed and answered - so yes, your post deserves ridicule because it is ridiculous.

 

[MarkvW]

You asked questions, but you don't want answers?


Actually, do you know what, you did.

Your questions (that aren't questions) have already been discussed and answered - so yes, your post deserves ridicule because it is ridiculous.

Thanks for your response.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Did you all maybe miss the comment that the personal stuff stops NOW?

No more warnings. Sanctions will be and are now being given out.

Susan

 

[Polish]

Bored of the intense discussion about Lance's facial expressions, personal insults, and the eternally unresolvable question of which dopers dope "more?"? Here are some questions to consider:

1. Assume that the investigation up until now has encompassed Lance's behavior and maybe even made Lance a target. What evidence or reasoning supports the inference that Lance is STILL a subject of investigation? What evidence or reasoning supports the inference that Michael Ball is still a subject of investigation?

2. What evidence or reasoning supports the inference that Lance hasn't already told the full and truthful story of his doping to the grand jury under a grant of immunity?

3. We've now heard Floyd and Tyler fully admit to doping throughout their Postie careers? What indication is there that anybody is going to "take away" their pro results in that time frame? They've snitched off Lance too. What indication is there that any sporting body is going to do anything about Lance's doping?

It would not suprise me at all to learn that Lance is working hand in hand with the Feds. Picking up from where he left off with his Omerta Breaking e-mails etc back in 2002-2005 that actually paid off with a cleaner sport.

If Lance knew back then what he knows now - he would have copied the FDA in that e-mail to WADA, the ASO and the UCI. Live and learn.

I realize now that the Feds would be foolish NOT to enlist Lance in the fight for a cleaner sport. The Feds are not foolish. Duh.

I also realize the Witch Hunt Smear Job was the media's fault - not the Feds. I feel a bit silly now ooops.

Anyway, the "Lance Investigation" should really be called the "Armstrong/Novitsky" investigation. Should give Mr Novitsky some credit too. That investigation is still ongoing I bet. Hope to see more and more drug busts as a result.

Finally, and a bit off-topic - I am suprised the Clinic Slueths have not uncovered who it was that testified most recently. The Pelkey Guys.
Who were those guys? Maybe it is best we do not know. Effect the Investigation. Give the evil doers a heads up. Not good.

 

[MarkvW]

Haven't those questions already been answered for you repeatedly and ad nauseum? There are several posters that have engaged you repeatedly on those very questions, yet you refuse to listen to them. Question #1 has been flogged to death, dug up, and then flogged some more. Too many times to count.

You are the one that repeatedly falls back on the "we don't know anything" card and the "it could easily go either way" response when confronted by theories based on facts (not assumptions as you now seem eager to pursue).

Frankly, the facial expression debate is far more entertaining than you trying yet another tact in your crusade to convince people that Armstrong is free and clear (although you'll never admit to that agenda).

I say it, again. I cannot say Armstrong is free and clear. There is not enough information to make the call one way or the other. But I understand that "maybe" is not a satisfying answer and you want more.

In this thread, Armstrong is the center of attention. I'm not sure that he's the center of attention for the feds, though (because, again, there is not enough information). There are good reasons to suspect that the investigation is continuing to broaden away from Michael Ball (like the big dope bust in Germany and the raid on the Katusha riders and the Novitsky visit to Europe a few months back).

I wonder whether the feds would spend millions just to probe Lance. I have no doubt, however, that they would spend millions to break up international dope distribution rings (for example).

 

[MacRoadie]

I say it, again. I cannot say Armstrong is free and clear. There is not enough information to make the call one way or the other. But I understand that "maybe" is not a satisfying answer and you want more.

In this thread, Armstrong is the center of attention. I'm not sure that he's the center of attention for the feds, though (because, again, there is not enough information). There are good reasons to suspect that the investigation is continuing to broaden away from Michael Ball (like the big dope bust in Germany and the raid on the Katusha riders and the Novitsky visit to Europe a few months back).

I wonder whether the feds would spend millions just to probe Lance. I have no doubt, however, that they would spend millions to break up international dope distribution rings (for example).

Maybe is a perfectly fine answer for me. I don't know either way, and am content to wait for things to run their course legally.

 

[Velodude]

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3. We've now heard Floyd and Tyler fully admit to doping throughout their Postie careers? What indication is there that anybody is going to "take away" their pro results in that time frame? They've snitched off Lance too. What indication is there that any sporting body is going to do anything about Lance's doping?

Other points have been answered.

Counselor, your point 3.

Floyd & Tyler were soldiers during their Postie careers being employed along with the other 6 to support and deliver food and drinks to wonderboy and support him during the TdF when he was in yellow or the road went upwards.

During Postie career Floyd won one lesser race in Portugal, the Volta ao Algarve, in 2004. I would expect Floyd would not be crestfallen to give that minor victory and its spoils up if USADA could prove he doped for that particular race.

With a 97% chance of an LA plea deal and, if not entered into, the unlikelihood of Floyd being specifically questioned during his testimony on that race under immunity pigs might fly before USADA obtained usable evidence.

Hamilton was not with US Postal in 2002. His public admissions relate only to his time with US Postal which is outside all SOLs.

I consider LA still owes Hamilton despite 60 Minutes

Per Wiki

Hamilton protected Lance Armstrong in the mountains. ... Hamilton also acted as a scout in individual time trials, riding as hard as possible to provide time-split comparisons for Armstrong.

 

[MarkvW]

It would not suprise me at all to learn that Lance is working hand in hand with the Feds. Picking up from where he left off with his Omerta Breaking e-mails etc back in 2002-2005 that actually paid off with a cleaner sport.

If Lance knew back then what he knows now - he would have copied the FDA in that e-mail to WADA, the ASO and the UCI. Live and learn.

I realize now that the Feds would be foolish NOT to enlist Lance in the fight for a cleaner sport. The Feds are not foolish. Duh.

I also realize the Witch Hunt Smear Job was the media's fault - not the Feds. I feel a bit silly now ooops.

Anyway, the "Lance Investigation" should really be called the "Armstrong/Novitsky" investigation. Should give Mr Novitsky some credit too. That investigation is still ongoing I bet. Hope to see more and more drug busts as a result.

Finally, and a bit off-topic - I am suprised the Clinic Slueths have not uncovered who it was that testified most recently. The Pelkey Guys.
Who were those guys? Maybe it is best we do not know. Effect the Investigation. Give the evil doers a heads up. Not good.

It is possible (pure spec) that the feds could have Lance cold on secret or disguised international currency transfers to Ferrari. That would be good leverage toward getting Lance to talk--and Lance ain't talking without leverage. If Lance spilled, the feds could trade either time or charges, and Lance could trade unvarnished truth. I doubt anybody would argue that truth from Lance would fuel a lot more investigation from a grand jury. Pure spec, but fun to think about.

 

[Polish]

It is possible (pure spec) that the feds could have Lance cold on secret or disguised international currency transfers to Ferrari. That would be good leverage toward getting Lance to talk--and Lance ain't talking without leverage. If Lance spilled, the feds could trade either time or charges, and Lance could trade unvarnished truth. I doubt anybody would argue that truth from Lance would fuel a lot more investigation from a grand jury. Pure spec, but fun to think about.

Lance has always been up front about hiring and paying Dr Ferarri, Since 2001 at least. If Dr F did not show those payments as taxable income - I suppose Dr F could be in trouble with the Italian Tax Authorities.

But what would Lance be in trouble for? Whats the leverage?

 

[MarkvW]

Lance has always been up front about hiring and paying Dr Ferarri, Since 2001 at least. If Dr F did not show those payments as taxable income - I suppose Dr F could be in trouble with the Italian Tax Authorities.

But what would Lance be in trouble for? Whats the leverage?

International currency transfers require specific disclosures to the feds regarding the amount of money transferred and the reason for the transfer. This helps fight tax evasion, among other things. Lance would only be in trouble if he didn't make a (provably) false disclosure. This is purest speculation, though.

 

[Polish]

International currency transfers require specific disclosures to the feds regarding the amount of money transferred and the reason for the transfer. This helps fight tax evasion, among other things. Lance would only be in trouble if he didn't make a (provably) false disclosure. This is purest speculation, though.

Since Lance is the person paying - no tax evasion there.
Unless he claimed deductions improperly I suppose.
Or a possible disclosure error on the paperwork like you speculate.
But that is rather boring clinic wise and GJ wise.

Still fun to speculate though, like you say.

 

[Oldman]

Lance has always been up front about hiring and paying Dr Ferarri, Since 2001 at least. If Dr F did not show those payments as taxable income - I suppose Dr F could be in trouble with the Italian Tax Authorities.

But what would Lance be in trouble for? Whats the leverage?

Haven't checked in for awhile Polish and always can count on you for a laugh.

 

[Velodude]

International currency transfers require specific disclosures to the feds regarding the amount of money transferred and the reason for the transfer. This helps fight tax evasion, among other things. Lance would only be in trouble if he didn't make a (provably) false disclosure. This is purest speculation, though.

Counselor, is this the type of advice your are providing to your clients?

If the international payee requests cash he/she/it can receive cash or kind without going through the banking system. That is how crims conduct business internationally.

In contradiction to McQuaid, Verbruggen claimed Armstrong paid his donations in "cash".

Armstrong, Schenk and Verbruggen have indicated the amounts to be in the hundreds of thousands pre 2005.

His big "donation" would have been around the time of the positive from the 2001 TdS for EPO. Both Landis & Hamilton claim the fix up arrangement was with Verbruggen.

From the Tyler Hamilton interviewon 60 Minutes

It was June 2001; The Tour de Suisse was a warm up race for the Tour de France. A positive test would keep a rider out of the big event, but Hamilton says Armstrong wasn't worried.

"He was so relaxed about it and he kinda just said it off the cuff and kinda laughed it off that it helped me sorta stay relaxed because obviously, if he had a positive test, the team's gonna lose the sponsorship, I'm gonna lose my job. Not only am I gonna lose my job but, you know, 50 to 60 other people are gonna lose their jobs. Probably won't get to do the Tour de France. There were a lotta consequences to a positive test," Hamilton said.

Before 2001 TdF the positive had been fixed up.

Forensic accountants for the Fed investigators would only need to concentrate on LA & associates records for a very brief period of time in June 2001 to identify the source of the "donation".

 

[Race Radio]

Used jet for sale. Motivated owner. Based in Austin

http://www.controller.com/listingsd...FSTREAM-IVSP/1996-GULFSTREAM-IVSP/1219294.htm

Arggg, Legal fees

 

[thehog]

Used jet for sale. Motivated owner. Based in Austin

http://www.controller.com/listingsd...FSTREAM-IVSP/1996-GULFSTREAM-IVSP/1219294.htm

Arggg, Legal fees

12k is a steal! Does the life-size doll of Phil Liggett come for free? Imagine having to go back and fly first class instead of Lear.

I had heard rumblings of Armstrong being close to broke. He has a lot of outgoings and not a lot coming back in anymore along with no being able to leverage Livestrong like he used to.

Btw/ The jet is seriously equipped:

Complete Interior Refurbishment December 2009 @ Gulfstream, Appleton, WI
Thirteen (13) passenger fireblocked interior featuring, a forward four-place club grouping in light tan leather, mid-cabin two-place club in dark tan leather opposite a three (3) place divan in coordinating fabric, and an aft four-place conference group in light tan leather opposite a wood credenza. Cabin entertainment includes one (1) 17" HD Monitor mounted on Left Forward Bulkhead, one (1) 17" LCD Monitor mounted above credenza, six (6) 5.6" Rosen Side Mounted Video Monitors at Forward and Mid Cabin Club Seating areas, five (5) Sony DVP FX Ray 930 9� Portable DVD Players (Hand Held), and eight (8) sets of Bose Acoustic Noise Cancelling Headphones. Cabin is equipped with Airshow, CD, VCR, and Blu-Ray players. The full service aft galley includes high temp convection and microwave ovens, hot cup and coffee maker, ample storage for glassware, china, gasper cooled storage for catering trays and additional supplies. Forward crew refreshment center, crew jump seat, forward crew lavatory and aft main lavatory. The carpeting is a textured gold loop and the wood/cabinetry is a medium colored gloss veneer complimented by brushed gold plating.

 

[MarkvW]

Counselor, is this the type of advice your are providing to your clients?

If the international payee requests cash he/she/it can receive cash or kind without going through the banking system. That is how crims conduct business internationally.

In contradiction to McQuaid, Verbruggen claimed Armstrong paid his donations in "cash".

Armstrong, Schenk and Verbruggen have indicated the amounts to be in the hundreds of thousands pre 2005.

His big "donation" would have been around the time of the positive from the 2001 TdS for EPO. Both Landis & Hamilton claim the fix up arrangement was with Verbruggen.

From the Tyler Hamilton interviewon 60 Minutes



Before 2001 TdF the positive had been fixed up.

Forensic accountants for the Fed investigators would only need to concentrate on LA & associates records for a very brief period of time in June 2001 to identify the source of the "donation".

If you'd stop baiting me with insults, I might respond.

 

[Race Radio]

Don't forget the stripper pole and special refrigerated compartment.....

 

[Velodude]

Used jet for sale. Motivated owner. Based in Austin

http://www.controller.com/listingsd...FSTREAM-IVSP/1996-GULFSTREAM-IVSP/1219294.htm

Arggg, Legal fees

Same paint job in Livestrong colors

Compare the pair

Pic identified as Armstrong's jet.

Pic of jet for sale from Austin, Texas

 

[thehog]

Is that Duffy flying the plane?

(The flight logs are on the internet so you can compare the reg number)

Same paint job in Livestrong colors

Compare the pair

Pic identified as Armstrong's jet.

Pic of jet for sale from Austin, Texas

 

[Cloxxki]

N7LA, seriously?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Used jet for sale. Motivated owner. Based in Austin

http://www.controller.com/listingsd...FSTREAM-IVSP/1996-GULFSTREAM-IVSP/1219294.htm

Arggg, Legal fees

Does that mean the Global Fight Against Cancer is over?
Did we win?

 

[Benotti69]

Does that mean the Global Fight Against Cancer is over?
Did we win?

It's on hold while the fight against the waste of taxpayers dollars is fought.

 

[MacRoadie]

Btw/ The jet is seriously equipped:

Complete Interior Refurbishment December 2009 @ Gulfstream, Appleton, WI
Thirteen (13) passenger fireblocked interior featuring, a forward four-place club grouping in light tan leather, mid-cabin two-place club in dark tan leather opposite a three (3) place divan in coordinating fabric, and an aft four-place conference group in light tan leather opposite a wood credenza. Cabin entertainment includes one (1) 17" HD Monitor mounted on Left Forward Bulkhead, one (1) 17" LCD Monitor mounted above credenza, six (6) 5.6" Rosen Side Mounted Video Monitors at Forward and Mid Cabin Club Seating areas, five (5) Sony DVP FX Ray 930 9� Portable DVD Players (Hand Held), and eight (8) sets of Bose Acoustic Noise Cancelling Headphones. Cabin is equipped with Airshow, CD, VCR, and Blu-Ray players. The full service aft galley includes high temp convection and microwave ovens, hot cup and coffee maker, ample storage for glassware, china, gasper cooled storage for catering trays and additional supplies. Forward crew refreshment center, crew jump seat, forward crew lavatory and aft main lavatory. The carpeting is a textured gold loop and the wood/cabinetry is a medium colored gloss veneer complimented by brushed gold plating.

$13 million and no bike rack or refrigerated panniers?

 

[Polish]

Sure, thehog, Lance is close to being broke.
About as close as you are to HAVING a hundred+ million.

And RR - what legal fees?
Lance's Dream Team have been bored silly since the Motion was filed.
"Why don't you ever call anymore, Lance?"
But the Motion was money VERY well spent. Genius.

But selling the Jet is a great PR move.
Lots of people dislike the "corporate jet fat cats".
Suprised Lance did not put the jet up for sale a while back.
Maybe he did? Has that jet been for sale before? Last year or 2010?

Benotti69, where have you been?
Ever since the GJ ended you haven't been around much. Miss you.