Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Dr. Maserati]

There is nothing inherently wrong with doping. Doping becomes wrong when it is cheating. If you are going to sanction an athlete, you have to follow the rules, just like the athlete is obligated to follow the rules. If and when Lance is sanctioned pursuant to the rules, I'll smile and briefly enjoy the wonderful schadenfreude moment.

So, how is Armstrong buying his way out of a positive following the rules?

There are a lot of ways "this all disappears," Maserati. Prepare yourself for the possibility. And, then again, it all might not disappear. Problem is, nobody has presented a compelling argument that Lance is going to be prosecuted or otherwise sanctioned. And the clock keeps ticking. . . ..

It has been presented - you just keep ignoring it.
A couple of weeks ago we find that at least 2 people were called before a GJ within 40 days of the article - seems a strange thing to do if they are not proceeding with a case.

And as I have stated before if the Federal case does stops the USADA case will proceed.

 

[fatandfast]

So, how is Armstrong buying his way out of a positive following the rules?



It has been presented - you just keep ignoring it.
A couple of weeks ago we find that at least 2 people were called before a GJ within 40 days of the article - seems a strange thing to do if they are not proceeding with a case.

And as I have stated before if the Federal case does stops the USADA case will proceed.

You are right the investigation appears to proceed. Is it midway? Is it nearing an end? Is the data gathered worthy of further action? None of us know.
One thing we do know is that many agencies tested Armstrong and published the results to those that requested and paid for them. Never finding him in violation.

All the speculation about corruption over a wide variety of private and semi-private agencies for the benefit of Armstrong alone is hard to prove quickly. Other athletes were punished for positive results. Is Novitzky able to identify and punish the corrupt agencies while punishing Armstrong in parallel ?.

What if these last 2 people called in front of the GJ are to save Novitzky's job after a two year fruitless chase? I don't know if I'm right but the idea that everything found by Novitzky is to be damaging to Armstrong is silly given the source of some of the information.
I am sure that the GJ may have listened to many credible people that have reported facts to the best of their ability.
Those credible people in telling their version of the facts may have helped Armstrong keeps his glass half full. Even while Landis and Tyler try and spill it down to half empty.

 

[MarkvW]

So, how is Armstrong buying his way out of a positive following the rules?



It has been presented - you just keep ignoring it.
A couple of weeks ago we find that at least 2 people were called before a GJ within 40 days of the article - seems a strange thing to do if they are not proceeding with a case.

And as I have stated before if the Federal case does stops the USADA case will proceed.

I'm not suggesting that Armstrong followed the rules! But whether or not Armstrong followed the rules, the sports governing bodies must still follow the rules. And suspecting the bribe (or believing it happened, as I do) is a long way from proving it.

Are you actually asserting that there is a USADA case? You did say "the USADA case will proceed". Is that a statement of hope, or a statement of fact? Aren't there significant time limitation problems? Will there also be cases against Floyd and Tyler?

You acknowledge that the federal case might not pan out ("if the federal case does stops [sic]. . ."). So you agree with me on this point at least, it seems: Whatever the case is, or may be, it is not compelling enough to foreclose the possibility that Lance might walk.

 

[Benotti69]

You are right the investigation appears to proceed. Is it midway? Is it nearing an end? Is the data gathered worthy of further action? None of us know.
One thing we do know is that many agencies tested Armstrong and published the results to those that requested and paid for them. Never finding him in violation.

All the speculation about corruption over a wide variety of private and semi-private agencies for the benefit of Armstrong alone is hard to prove quickly. Other athletes were punished for positive results. Is Novitzky able to identify and punish the corrupt agencies while punishing Armstrong in parallel ?.

What if these last 2 people called in front of the GJ are to save Novitzky's job after a two year fruitless chase? I don't know if I'm right but the idea that everything found by Novitzky is to be damaging to Armstrong is silly given the source of some of the information.
I am sure that the GJ may have listened to many credible people that have reported facts to the best of their ability.
Those credible people in telling their version of the facts may have helped Armstrong keeps his glass half full. Even while Landis and Tyler try and spill it down to half empty.

And yet Armstrong has spent millions of dollars (possibly Live$trong $$$s) on lawyers for something he has not been officially accused off.

 

[MarkvW]

You are right the investigation appears to proceed. Is it midway? Is it nearing an end? Is the data gathered worthy of further action? None of us know.
One thing we do know is that many agencies tested Armstrong and published the results to those that requested and paid for them. Never finding him in violation.

All the speculation about corruption over a wide variety of private and semi-private agencies for the benefit of Armstrong alone is hard to prove quickly. Other athletes were punished for positive results. Is Novitzky able to identify and punish the corrupt agencies while punishing Armstrong in parallel ?.

What if these last 2 people called in front of the GJ are to save Novitzky's job after a two year fruitless chase? I don't know if I'm right but the idea that everything found by Novitzky is to be damaging to Armstrong is silly given the source of some of the information.
I am sure that the GJ may have listened to many credible people that have reported facts to the best of their ability.
Those credible people in telling their version of the facts may have helped Armstrong keeps his glass half full. Even while Landis and Tyler try and spill it down to half empty.

What if the investigation has moved past Lance and onto other targets?

 

[Benotti69]

What if the investigation has moved past Lance and onto other targets?

He'll have blown a lot of bucks......but somehow we doubt it, he is in deep with others on this.

 

[MarkvW]

And yet Armstrong has spent millions of dollars (possibly Live$trong $$$s) on lawyers for something he has not been officially accused off.

Just because Lance is spending big money on his defense doesn't mean he is fighting certain charges. And just because Livestrong is spending big money on awareness doesn't mean that it is doing a darn thing for cancer victims. It is all two sides of the same thing: Lance protecting and developing his moneymaking image (worth multimillions).

 

[Benotti69]

Just because Lance is spending big money on his defense doesn't mean he is fighting certain charges. And just because Livestrong is spending big money on awareness doesn't mean that it is doing a darn thing for cancer victims. It is all two sides of the same thing: Lance protecting and developing his moneymaking image (worth multimillions).

Lance running scared i think is what you mean.

Spending big money on Lance ain't the same as spending money on awareness. The cancer awareness went out the window after CBS 60mins. People are aware that Armstrong cancer cyclist is being investigated for doping not for doing good in the cancer community, not that he ever did jack shít in the cancer community apart from say hello to a few people in a few hospitals.

Moneymaking for Armstrong on cancer suffering is the lowest of the low.

 

[ulrikmm]

The headline of this popular Danish newspaper website reads:

"Livestrong does not support cancer research"

Link: http://ekstrabladet.dk/sport/cykling/article1688006.ece?ref=jplisterseneste

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I'm not suggesting that Armstrong followed the rules! But whether or not Armstrong followed the rules, the sports governing bodies must still follow the rules. And suspecting the bribe (or believing it happened, as I do) is a long way from proving it.

And how is the sports body that accepted the bribe going to investigate itself?

Are you actually asserting that there is a USADA case? You did say "the USADA case will proceed". Is that a statement of hope, or a statement of fact? Aren't there significant time limitation problems? Will there also be cases against Floyd and Tyler?

Earth to Mark - both Tyler & Floyd have been convicted for their doping.
Could others like DaveZ, George etc? Yes.

I will answer the rest below.

You acknowledge that the federal case might not pan out ("if the federal case does stops [sic]. . ."). So you agree with me on this point at least, it seems: Whatever the case is, or may be, it is not compelling enough to foreclose the possibility that Lance might walk.

What? You have this wonderful ability to assume A or Z.

The case is compelling enough (even you agree he doped & bribed)- the SOL is the only reason I think Armstrong (& others) could possibly walk - however, as I stated earlier this has not stopped GJs going ahead recently, so that appears to be unlikely.


To address your earlier question re a USADA case:

The US government investigation into doping in professional cycling has moved to France. The AP reports that an American delegation including Food and Drug Administration (FDA) investigator Jeff Novitzky, federal prosecutor Doug Miller and US Antidoping Agency CEO Travis Tygart is said to be in France.

 

[thehog]

The headline of this popular Danish newspaper website reads:

"Livestrong does not support cancer research"

Link: http://ekstrabladet.dk/sport/cykling/article1688006.ece?ref=jplisterseneste

Oh dear.... call an emergency meeting with the legal team!

 

[sniper]

The headline of this popular Danish newspaper website reads:

"Livestrong does not support cancer research"

Link: http://ekstrabladet.dk/sport/cykling/article1688006.ece?ref=jplisterseneste

some real awareness seems to be spreading now.

 

[Anonymous]

Here it is in Outside:
http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoo...nce-armstrong/Its-Not-About-the-Lab-Rats.html

That's gonna' to leave a mark.

Many here have been saying this for years. Good to see that the wool has been taken off the eyes of homers everywhere.

Bahhh, bahhh black sheep, have you any wool
Yes sir, yes sir, fine Merino wool purchased during the TdU a couple of years ago with funds brought in to raise"cancer awareness" .

 

[thehog]

Here it is in Outside:
http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoo...nce-armstrong/Its-Not-About-the-Lab-Rats.html

That's gonna' to leave a mark.

Many here have been saying this for years. Good to see that the wool has been taken off the eyes of homers everywhere.

Bahhh, bahhh black sheep, have you any wool
Yes sir, yes sir, fine Merino wool purchased during the TdU a couple of years ago with funds brought in to raise"cancer awareness" .

You're about 7 hours behind. We've being chewing on this article all day.

 

[Anonymous]

You're about 7 hours behind. We've being chewing on this article all day.

I would have expected it to come out tomorrow...

 

[Oldman]

Here it is in Outside:
http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoo...nce-armstrong/Its-Not-About-the-Lab-Rats.html

That's gonna' to leave a mark.

Many here have been saying this for years. Good to see that the wool has been taken off the eyes of homers everywhere.

Bahhh, bahhh black sheep, have you any wool
Yes sir, yes sir, fine Merino wool purchased during the TdU a couple of years ago with funds brought in to raise"cancer awareness" .

The flaks at Outside should wipe their noses real well with that wool before throwing it away...considering where their noses have been for so long.

 

[Velodude]

Just because Lance is spending big money on his defense doesn't mean he is fighting certain charges. And just because Livestrong is spending big money on awareness doesn't mean that it is doing a darn thing for cancer victims. It is all two sides of the same thing: Lance protecting and developing his moneymaking image (worth multimillions).

Armstrong is spending big bucks on legal PR not defense.

Aside from his attempted grandstanding "leaks" motion there is no justification to instruct lawyers to defend indictments that do not exist.

BTW counselor, Armstrong would not have filed a motion in July 2011 in which he asked a federal judge to find the parties responsible for the leaks and punish them if he did not consider himself the target.

 

[pedaling squares]

Here it is in Outside:
http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoo...nce-armstrong/Its-Not-About-the-Lab-Rats.html

That's gonna' to leave a mark.

Many here have been saying this for years. Good to see that the wool has been taken off the eyes of homers everywhere.

Bahhh, bahhh black sheep, have you any wool
Yes sir, yes sir, fine Merino wool purchased during the TdU a couple of years ago with funds brought in to raise"cancer awareness" .

That is a damning article. Love some of the comments on the site, I imagine some Liestrong employees were waiting at their desks for it to come online.

 

[mewmewmew13]

That is a damning article. Love some of the comments on the site, I imagine some Liestrong employees were waiting at their desks for it to come online.

and might be working overtime for awhile...

 

[Semper Fidelis]

That is a damning article. Love some of the comments on the site, I imagine some Liestrong employees were waiting at their desks for it to come online.

Well yeah! I have been up for 4 days straight, no sleep just bang bang on the keyboard.

 

[Benotti69]

Well yeah! I have been up for 4 days straight, no sleep just bang bang on the keyboard.

yep it has been copy and paste for a few years now.......

 

[issoisso]

People are aware that Armstrong cancer cyclist is being investigated for doping not for doing good in the cancer community, not that he ever did jack shít in the cancer community apart from say hello to a few people in a few hospitals.

Moneymaking for Armstrong on cancer suffering is the lowest of the low.

It's so evil that somewhere out there, Hitler's corpse shot its arm up for a high five

 

[Benotti69]

It's so evil that somewhere out there, Hitler's corpse shot its arm up for a high five

Oh i am so glad you and Hitler agree.

 

[lilac harry quinn]

It's so evil that somewhere out there, Hitler's corpse shot its arm up for a high five

One uniballer to another?

 

[thehog]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-11/mayor-takes-keys-but-lance-not-home/3768030

- Those aussies can't get enough of Lance.

He's got the money now so he's doesn't need to deal with them anymore.