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[Martin318is]

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Cache Cache is a very nice fancy restaraunt that you could take a 10 year old or up to if they are matier enough. But you could not take a nine year old or down to Cache Cache
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http://www.urbanspoon.com/r/101/840098/restaurant/Colorado/Cache-Cache-Aspen

That was just a sample of the comments before they take it down.

Call me childish but I always laugh at stuff like this.

 

[Granville57]

Let me get this straight:

After all these years, not one single person has ever just wound up and smashed Lance right in the mouth?
How is that even possible?

 

[Cloxxki]

Oh, oh, Cache Cache is sure having it now from the Clinic regulars!

I did miss what started all the gay talk though. That seems a bit immature and beside the point. Unless Lance started it.

 

[Cloxxki]

Let me get this straight:

After all these years, not one single person has ever just wound up and smashed Lance right in the mouth?
How is that even possible?

It is not possible. I am not of the opinion that Lance's face must in fact be of high rebound rubber.
I really can't believe this guy never find himself barking up to one dog too many. Or someone just losing it on him.
Would guys that would take him out from ever contending sports in 2 of 3 moves just be the wiser, and walk away from the crap he's giving them? That's odd karma. Hope it's building up for something bigger than a whoop-azz.

Did anyone find it ironic that Tyler seemed to be with a group of people descibed as "friends"? Lance must not be liking this he's to settle for airheaded fanboys now, while Tyler after confessing gets to have actual good times.

I hope Tyler asked Lance how much he made when he was "riding for free".

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

'...'I've been wondering about this "witness tampering" issue for some time now. Since it's well documented just how vindictive StrongArm is, I've always wondered what the legal ramifications were if he approached Tyler, Floyd, Frankie...or anyone else connected to this investigation.

Two key things from that first piece

"If I were the prosecutor, my investigator would be going to talk to Hamilton," said Cutler, now with the firm of Dechert LLP. "This, to me, is a game-changer." A charge of witness tampering could also affect any statute of limitations issues prosecutors might be facing by extending the timeline forward to the present day, Cutler added.

Yes that bit is interesting. The legal types were talking about something in US law that means if someone keeps repeating some kinds of crimes, each instance is not treated as separate crime in terms of the statute of limitation. Instead, it's sort of treated as one big crime. Provided the last known instance falls inside the statute of limitation, they can be charged for every instance they committed that crime, even if some of those instances would usually be outside the statute of limitation. I thought that was about the RICO stuff, but it makes sense that witness tampering would fall under RICO. Could any of the legal types more coherently explain how that all worked and whether it's relevant please?

What I question, is whether this is a hint that an earlier instance of witness tampering is known to the investigators. Now that would be awesome!

 

[Berzin]

Let me get this straight:

After all these years, not one single person has ever just wound up and smashed Lance right in the mouth?
How is that even possible?

This is possible, and it happens all the time. Many predatory criminals, ones who use acts of violence in the perpetration of crimes, start off as schoolyard bullies who never get challenged.

I've seen this a million times. Bullies always stay away from guys that can pummel them either by staying clear of them or befriending them in some way, and prey on those they know won't challenge them.

Armstrong has the added incentive of having fanboys and sycophants at his beck and call almost everywhere he goes, so this gives him even more incentive to act like a goon.

 

[rata de sentina]

T Bullies always stay away from guys that can pummel them either by staying clear of them or befriending them in some way, and prey on those they know won't challenge them.

This is the key point, they select their victim and in this case LA knows Hamilton pretty well, it only ever really goes awry if they misjudge the victim or some bystander steps in. I'll bet that LA wouldn't have tried this stunt on Landis, I get the feeling the outcome would be a bit different

 

[theswordsman]

Virtual tour of the bar and restaurant which I'm tired of typing typing. Is there really a chance no one filmed the encounter on their cell phone?

http://cachecache.supertour.com/#p=1354219&y=98.07&pi=0

 

[thirteen]

I did miss what started all the gay talk though. That seems a bit immature and beside the point. Unless Lance started it.

if you watch this, it will give you a hint near the end: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPVsWDtXXmk&feature=youtu.be

(if you need to be spoon fed, someone got the org domain of Facts4Lance and had fun )

 

[thehog]

Virtual tour of the bar and restaurant which I'm tired of typing typing. Is there really a chance no one filmed the encounter on their cell phone?

http://cachecache.supertour.com/#p=1354219&y=98.07&pi=0

The Feds will subpoena the security tapes and look for Lance's arm across Tyler's chest then Lance's finger pointing.

Lance really is a silly boy. My snitch tells me Armstrong was alone at the bar and walked in shortly before the incident.

 

[ultimobici]

Who was the witness? Does TH text Betsy real time play by play?

Suggest you learn to read. It says Ty - the witness. IE Hamilton.

 

[Velodude]

Virtual tour of the bar and restaurant which I'm tired of typing typing. Is there really a chance no one filmed the encounter on their cell phone?

http://cachecache.supertour.com/#p=1354219&y=98.07&pi=0

Noted comments by cachecache part owner, Ms. Jodi Larner:

She said she was standing close to Armstrong when Hamilton walked by..."Lance never left the barstool," Larner added.

In the virtual tour the bar is small and in an alcove of the dining room. If LA was on the bar stool during the encounter then TH to "walk by" would have to make a purposeless detour to be in proximity to LA.

 

[Magic Spanner]

It seems like one of either TH or LA knew the other was at, or going to, the Aspen eatery and made the effort to go down there.

Now I wonder who is the more likely of the 2 to do that?

 

[ultimobici]

Interesting versions from three sides

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/arm...al-witness-tyler-hamilton-in-aspen-restaurant

Fallout from CBS programme '60 minutes'

Lance Armstrong threatened to make Tyler Hamilton’s life a “living hell” in the law courts when the two met unexpectedly in a restaurant last weekend, ESPN's Bonnie Ford has reported. And Hamilton’s lawyers who alleged the ‘aggressive contact’ at the impromptu meeting, reported the incident to federal authorities who will decide if it constitutes ‘witness tampering’.

If the authorities agree, and Armstrong is eventually hauled before court to face charges he was at the centre of a systematic doping operation on the US Postal Service squad between 1999 and 2004, it could mean that prosecutors can include evidence in the case against the Texan right up to the present day. Armstrong has however always denied doping.

According to ESPN which reported the story, Hamilton’s lawyer, Chris Manderson, said because Hamilton had testified to a federal grand jury investigating fraud and cheating on US Postal, Hamilton could be a crucial witness. Any contact between defendant and witness – especially if it was aggressive – had to be reported to the authorities he said.

Manderson said: “Lance Armstrong is a possible defendant in an investigation that's been widely reported, and Tyler is a probable witness. When there's any contact, especially aggressive contact, we as lawyers have a duty to inform the authorities. ... What they will do with it, I don't know."

The unexpected meeting happened three weeks after Hamilton appeared on the CBS programme 60 minutes on May 22, in which he went public with allegations he saw Armstrong inject EPO and try to cover up a failed dope test at the Tour de Suisse in 2001.

According to Hamilton’s version of events at the restaurant, Armstrong repeatedly asked Hamilton how much he had been paid to appear on 60 Minutes and that the Texan’s legal team will "(expletive) destroy you," "tear you apart on the witness stand," and "make your life a living (expletive) hell."

According to former federal prosecutor, Richard J. Cutler, if the incident was reported accurately, the altercation could be a ‘game-changer’ and could allow the federal prosecuting authorities to extend the deadline for investigating the US Postal case.

Cutler said "If I were the prosecutor, my investigator would be going to talk to Hamilton. This, to me, is a game-changer," adding that witness tampering could adjust the statute of limitations issues prosecutors might be facing by extending the timeline forward to the present day.

However co-owner of the upmarket Cache Cache restaurant where the run-in happened and a friend of Armstrong, Jodi Larner, had a different version of events. She said the impromptu meeting was very placid.

“It was not combative. It was not hostile... There were no threats. There were very few words exchanged. There was no scene made," she said.

TH - allegations of aggressive conversation
LA - No Comment
CC - Words exchanged but no threats.

Who to believe?

 

[Kodiak]

I'd have to say LA's made his life a living hell for about the past ten years. but imo helping someone cheat would eventually make someone's life a living hell sooner or later.

 

[thehog]

I like this part:

However co-owner of the upmarket Cache Cache restaurant where the run-in happened and a friend of Armstrong, Jodi Larner, had a different version of events. She said the impromptu meeting was very placid.

It was not combative. It was not hostile... There were no threats. There were very few words exchanged. There was no scene made," she said.

Therefore I asked Hamilton and friends to leave and never come back!???

 

[dbrmuz]

I like this part:

However co-owner of the upmarket Cache Cache restaurant where the run-in happened and a friend of Armstrong, Jodi Larner, had a different version of events. She said the impromptu meeting was very placid.

It was not combative. It was not hostile... There were no threats. There were very few words exchanged. There was no scene made," she said.

Therefore I asked Hamilton and friends to leave and never come back!???

Maybe it was a ****ing I mean tipping competition and LA won.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Maybe it was a ****ing I mean tipping competition and LA won.

Assuming that there are security tapes from the CC bar area, Ms. CC owner had better hope they back up her recollection 100%. Helping to cover up an instance of witness tampering is a felony.

 

[python]

can someone put together a complete list of people who reportedly*
were threatened by texas (for one reason or another) whilst involved in legal proceedings or being a witness ?

I'll start:

simeoni
betsy
lemond ?
Hamilton
.........
.......




*=could be traced to a published material

 

[Kodiak]

no lawyer but to knowingly tamper with a witness would require knowing that he was a witness? Guess he could claim ignorance but he's been doing that the whole time anyway.

 

[theswordsman]

Assuming that there are security tapes from the CC bar area, Ms. CC owner had better hope they back up her recollection 100%. Helping to cover up an instance of witness tampering is a felony.

Security tapes? Brilliant! Off to check the virtual tour for visible cameras

It takes the LA brain trust a couple of days to come up with a response they like. Around Thursday I expect Lance will post a picture of a half-burned white lunch bag filled with poo and claim it was Tyler and a bunch of bullies

 

[Cimacoppi49]

I know some here are anti-twitter, but I think this was twitter karma for Armstrong. The story started with a couple of mentions from Outside guys on twitter, then one wrote it up on a blog after people demanded details. From there it made it into articles and spread. But it started with a couple of guys at a restaurant hearing things and putting it on twitter. I'm really glad to see that the lawyers went to the Feds.

I agree about going to the feds. The odds are that the FBI will be visiting CC today if they did not already yesterday. This is indeed a game changer. The FBI will want to know who advised Armstrong of Hamilton's presence. Note to Tarik Fabiani--criminal subpoena power will pull up all those text messages and other communication records. I wonder whether or not the US Attorney has had a wire tap warrant in place for Lance and friends.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Security tapes? Brilliant! Off to check the virtual tour for visible cameras

It takes the LA brain trust a couple of days to come up with a response they like. Around Thursday I expect Lance will post a picture of a half-burned white lunch bag filled with poo and claim it was Tyler and a bunch of bullies

There probably are cameras. It makes sense for a bar/restaurant owner these days to have them what with liability for serving drunks who then drive home killing people. Can't tell looking at the virtual. There may be one in the bar. Not certain what it is in the ceiling.

 

[dbrmuz]

Odds are that they indeed do have operating cameras,recording directly to a HD somewhere.Anyone want to take bets on the footage being erased by now?

 

[thehog]

http://nyvelocity.com/content/toto/2011/toto-turns-232

Toto!!!!