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[ultimobici]

Dopers are dopers. I have always defended you for what you did but I see no degrees of cheating. He became a fraud the day he cheated, you apologists can decide the scale. Talk to the guys left behind who didn't dope and see who's right. Doperssuck

So I take it you have never broken any law ever? Never rolled through a stop sign, parked where you shouldn't, broken the speed limit, lied about anything, etc, etc.....? Pull the other one, it's got bells on!

 

[Anti-doping]

This is what you get by telling the truth nowadays. Sad...

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So if a cheater admit doping we should do what? Applaud him? Give him a new job in the same sport?

Doping apologists...

 

[ultimobici]

+1

I'm sick & tired of people defending doping cheaters.

And I take it you are as pure as the driven snow?

 

[ultimobici]

I think I liked DimSpace better, even when he thew out his dummy and rattle from the pram, seems he was channeling Millar's proclivity to throw his bike, must be a very Great Briton thing... inform and engage me. There is a free teeth whitening kit in it for ya

I'll keep brushing my natural teeth with toothpaste thanks, rather than relying on PEDs to clean my teeth to an american glaring shine.

 

[pmcg76]

Followed this little spat last night and what BS, this guys JRT has been an Armstrong apologist since he joined this forum and he is going around ranting about F.Andreu being a doper!!! The hypocrisy is truly mind-boggling. It has nothing to do with F.Andreu being a doper but everything to do with him speaking honestly about what he done and how it implicates Lance.


If people feel that doper's are evil, then cycling is definitely not the sport to be following.

This all dopers are equal attitude is also bizarre to say the least.

Can people actually suggest that Paul Kimmage deserves the same level of derision as Bjarne Riis in regards to their doping. Both were on the same level of the rung of the sport in the 80s. Kimmage who admitted to taking amphetamines in a few crits got tired of the BS and quit the sport, writing openly and honestly about his experiences whilst Riis went on to big success of the back of a super doping programme. How anyone can suggest they are equally evil is truly beyond me.

As usual, this is more to do with agenda's than any actual logical reasoning.

 

[blackcat]

yeah, but u can drink starbucks toilet water everyday, and your teeth still shine thru the $hit they pour

 

[Polish]

I suggest you read "Rough Ride" by Paul Kimmage. A TdF domestique in the 1980s (and currently a UK sports journalist in LA's mental black book) who used the same rationale to do PEDs as FA.
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I suggest YOU read "Its not about the Bike".

The only difference between using PEDs to keep up and using PEDs to kick *** is talent.
Awesome Talent.

Paul and Frankie used PEDs and tried to keep up.
Sean and Eddy and Lance used PEDs and kicked ***.

What's the difference?
AWESOMENESS.

 

[ultimobici]

yeah, but u can drink starbucks toilet water everyday, and your teeth still shine thru the $hit they pour

I'd drink unfiltered Thames water before Starbucks!

 

[ultimobici]

I suggest YOU read "Its not about the Bike".

The only difference between using PEDs to keep up and using PEDs to kick *** is talent.
Awesome Talent.

Paul and Frankie used PEDs and tried to keep up.
Sean and Eddy and Lance used PEDs and kicked ***.

What's the difference?
AWESOMENESS.

I used to believe in free speech.

You have singlehandedly forced me to question my belief.

 

[pmcg76]

I suggest YOU read "Its not about the Bike".

The only difference between using PEDs to keep up and using PEDs to kick *** is talent.
Awesome Talent.

Paul and Frankie used PEDs and tried to keep up.
Sean and Eddy and Lance used PEDs and kicked ***.

What's the difference?
AWESOMENESS.

You dont know that either, perhaps if Kimmage had got on EPO, he could have bceome the next Bjarne Riis, after all they were on the same level in the 80s. Actually that's not true, Kimmage was on a higeher level riding the Tour de France whilst Bjarne was riding kermesse's for rubbish Belgium teams.

Perhaps if Frankie got on EPO properly and worked with Ferrari, he could have become another Hincapie as well.

 

[Deagol]

This is idiotic. Painting FA as a “doper” because he was pressured to dope a long time ago on a limited basis and then came clean on his own volition is as accurate as calling me a bowler because I went bowling with some co-workers 4 years ago.

It also appears very cowardly to sit behind a keyboard in safe anonymity and attack a wife and mother who was obviously not out there seeking the limelight but was rather dragged-in against her will by a situation created largely by an ego-maniac who can’t live without the limelight. And before you try to equate that with pointing out what has been going on with LA (which isn’t even really “attacking”)- one of many differences is that LA thrives off the limelight. Just as a politician, he must live with the greater degree of scrutiny that accompanies that. If when someone points out the truth about your actions and it really IS the truth and it comes across that you are being “attacked”, that might be a sign that you are doing something wrong…

 

[Polish]

I used to believe in free speech.

You have singlehandedly forced me to question my belief.

Well, you could always "report my post" lol.
There is no such thing as Free Speech in the Clinic you know.
BPC banned. Flicker banned. Cobblestoned banned. Eva Maria banned.

 

[Anti-doping]

Can you honestly say that, if the choice was to dope and be a professional cyclist vs not doping and becoming a used car salesman (or whatever), you wouldn't be tempted? I certainly would be. It sucks that doping has become endemic, absolutely, but I don't think it's fair to condemn riders for doing what the "system" requires.

Either all or none..if you defend dopers like Andreau, then you also must defend Pharmstrong (and I won't do that)..either all or none..

 

[ultimobici]

Either all or none..if you defend dopers like Andreau, then you also must defend Pharmstrong (and I won't do that)..either all or none..

Funny, but I am reading "Slaying the Badger" and Guimard makes the point that in sport there is little room for nuance, just black and white.

WRT FA's doping v LA's doping there is a very very important difference. FA stopped & admitted his actions whereas LA continues to insult our intelligence and denies.

 

[MacRoadie]

Well, you could always "report my post" lol.
There is no such thing as Free Speech in the Clinic you know.
BPC banned. Flicker banned. Cobblestoned banned. Eva Maria banned.

Nice try. How much false crap can you fit into one post?

BPC and Flicker were both banned for being incessant trolls and rule violators. Idiots, pure and simple (and now not forum members so I can call them as I see them).

Cobblestoned is only on a month-long SUSPENSION for a very obviously insulting post towards a mod. Like a cold sore, he'll be back. he is the poster child for moderator tolerance and only got pinned because he decided to up his game and started vitriolic posts against moderators and moderating. Funny, but they'll let him back.

Eva Maria was a separate account owned by RR, known by the mods, never used, and deleted after months of non-use (and not for disciplinary purposes). Definitely a rule violation, but sortas difficult to have a sock puppet when the world knows who it is and the person is completely transparent about the second user name.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

This is the Lance thread. Stop the off-topic discussion.

Comments about banned users belong in another sub-forum. Please use it.

Thank you.

Susan

 

[Granville57]

Folks,

Maybe it's time to step off this ride.

Seriously.

 

[Anti-doping]

Funny, but I am reading "Slaying the Badger" and Guimard makes the point that in sport there is little room for nuance, just black and white.

WRT FA's doping v LA's doping there is a very very important difference. FA stopped & admitted his actions whereas LA continues to insult our intelligence and denies.

So because LA probably doped more then FA, you would (do) what? Applaude Frankie the doper? *** edited by mod ***

 

[Race Radio]

I used to believe in free speech.

You have singlehandedly forced me to question my belief.

Free speech is important, otherwise it is hard to know who the idiots are.

Fabiani, for example, has do a wonderful job of confirming the clinic is correct on a weekly basis.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

We need an indictment to focus on.

 

[Race Radio]

Either all or none

This is an incredibly simplistic view. Most rational people understand that doping is not the sole ethical measure of a person.

 

[pmcg76]

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[Anonymous]

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So if a cheater admit doping we should do what? Applaud him? Give him a new job in the same sport?

Doping apologists...

In Frankie's case, sure. He never failed a test and has to put up with the BS dished out by people like you by coming clean and telling the truth when there was no compelling reason, other than his conscious, to do so.

A lesser man would have kept his mouth shut. An even lesser man would run around telling the whole world how he's the most tested athlete in the world. And an even lesser man would encourage others to dope while enforcing omerta with an iron fist. And an even lesser man would do all the above while forming a charity to give false hope to millions of ill people all the while diluting donations to charities that actually help and creating a commercial for profit enterprise that confuses the public willing to donate to his cause on purpose.

Frankie is a classic case explaining why institutional doping by the top riders and those that allow it to continue are where you need to place your vitriol.

But you won't.

 

[Race Radio]

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[Cerberus]

Either all or none..if you defend dopers like Andreau, then you also must defend Pharmstrong (and I won't do that)..either all or none..

I approve of this line of thinking. We must not use judgement to differentiate between any two acts that can be fitted with the same label, for that way lies chaos. For example genocide and jaywalking are both crimes and must therefore be condoned or condemned equally.