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[Digger]

It seems, if all is to be believed, their has been a LOT of people testifying about Armstrong doping. If this is true, purely on the doping front, how would Armstrong be able to deny that he ever doped? Serious question. Disregarding all the other legal issues, if many more teammates such as Hincapie have implicated him, how could he realistically deny he doped? I can't see how he can, but going off his legal fees, he obviously is ready to fight.

Most sane people wouldn't deny at this stage and most sane fans would admit they got it wrong. But Lance's hubris and sociopathic behaviour is only matched by his fans stupidity.

 

[Race Radio]

It seems, if all is to be believed, their has been a LOT of people testifying about Armstrong doping. If this is true, purely on the doping front, how would Armstrong be able to deny that he ever doped? Serious question. Disregarding all the other legal issues, if many more teammates such as Hincapie have implicated him, how could he realistically deny he doped? I can't see how he can, but going off his legal fees, he obviously is ready to fight.

$3,200,000 so far.

His "Fighting" is to obfusticate. It worked in the past but has failed badly in the last year. The talking points have all failed

"We like our creditably"
"Case Going nowhere"
"George who?"
Ferrari is Just a friend
"Witch Hunt"

Blah, Blah, Blah. $3,200,000 and it has only gotten worse. Eventually the burn rate will be so painful that plea deal will start looking very attractive

 

[Digger]

$3,200,000 so far.

His "Fighting" is to obfusticate. It worked in the past but has failed badly in the last year. The talking points have all failed

"We like our creditably"
"Case Going nowhere"
"George who?"
Ferrari is Just a friend
"Witch Hunt"

Blah, Blah, Blah. $3,200,000 and it has only gotten worse. Eventually the burn rate will be so painful that plea deal will start looking very attractive

As that figure rises we can all expect people to become less aware about cancer. So many of us wouldn't have had a clue about it, unless we'd seen the billboards. Strange that Nike's Logo was on them though. One would think it was merely marketing and not cancer awareness.

 

[powerste]

$3,200,000 so far.

His "Fighting" is to obfusticate. It worked in the past but has failed badly in the last year. The talking points have all failed

"We like our creditably"
"Case Going nowhere"
"George who?"
Ferrari is Just a friend
"Witch Hunt"

Blah, Blah, Blah. $3,200,000 and it has only gotten worse. Eventually the burn rate will be so painful that plea deal will start looking very attractive

Actually a pretty good reason for the Feds to drag this out...perhaps Novi is hoping that LA will waste all his cash on PR pre-indictment?

 

[Digger]

Actually a pretty good reason for the Feds to drag this out...perhaps Novi is hoping that LA will waste all his cash on PR pre-indictment?

Feds need to cop the **** on after the way the prosecuters f***ed up the Clemens case.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

There's a link under "External Links" of this Wikipedia page, which indicates he talks about this very thing. (I'd post the link straight to You Tube if our office would just lift the firewall from the You Tube page.... ;-) )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Gibney

On youtube the video is now listed as private.

 

[GreasyMonkey]

On youtube the video is now listed as private.

So who is the Fabricator's mole in CN Forum???

Guess's please, the prize is to be determined

 

[fatandfast]

Your allegiance is overruling fact and common sense.You have deliberately sidetracked the discussion away from Livestrong transactions concerning your hero.

It appears Armstrong's known autocratic style of management is evident in Livestrong. He allegedly conducts himself as if Livestrong and himself are not two separate entities at law but conjoined at the hip.

Example. Just read the SCA transcript and compare it to the facts. Livestrong made a donation of $1.5m to Indiana University Hospital within days after becoming aware of the Andreu's affidavits on the hospital room conversations. Hence, the hospital stonewalled on identifying the attending doctors present in that hospital room.

Lancie falsely testified he made the donation (not Livestrong) but, again falsely, in advance of his knowledge of the Andreu's affidavits.

The law has the capacity to severely punish charitable foundations and culpable executives if the foundation is managed for the benefit of executives and board members. Governance does not appear to prevail at Livestrong as exemplified in the SCA case. Lance exercises dictatorial control over his own Livestrong fiefdom. The board and auditors (auditors being only local to Austin. Tx not national or international) appear to just ratify and rubber stamp Lance's wishes.

If Livestrong is investigated and Lance and his cronies have been found to have been approving payments of Lance's private expenses with Livestrong funds, executives have been over compensated, Lance has personally profited at the expense of Livestrong in the Demand Media arrangements, etc., the foundation could lose its tax exempt status.

There are things in your comments that I will assume as facts. So first if during his proceedings a judge came across a 1.5 million dollar donation(bribe by your description) would that not be obvious witness tampering or obstruction of justice? I mean after all the time line and events appear well defined. Why was this disregard for the law discovered by anybody and everybody except the bar association or a higher court?

It is also a misstep to say that personal expenses and professional ones are easy to define. Many of Armstrong's activities do not appear to have any professional merit to the unknowing. How in the world could traveling from country to country giving brief motivational talks, posing for photos and handshakes be a tax deduction? the questioned is asked over and over and is answered in Livestrongs status as a non profit.
When Lance goes on a charity bike ride to most people it is unreasonable to deduct his travel, lodging, transportation,food, dozens of other expenses for something he would be doing anyway, but that is part of the insanity of the US tax code.

Because I don't know anything about the board or general operations of Livestrong it is hard to conclude one way or the other if a rubber stamp is used on all things Armstrong. I just can't imagine that sane people would would put millions of dollars and 100's of jobs at risk for something that as you
have stated is obviously immoral and illegal.
If your time lines are correct the world has fallen off it's access. Frankie testified in @2006, since then Armstrong and everything he has been involved in have grown both in popularity and monetary gain.

If even some of the things you have written are true then we are all hosed. Our courts, lawyers, judges are all corrupt and have given Armstrong special privilege. Our hospitals,doctors, nurses and administrators are evil and ugly for their brilliant coordinated collusion with Lance for 1.5 million in blood money. The IRS has turned a blind eye to a tax deadbeat bike rider and his multitude of tax free foundations. The wheels of justice may need ceramic bearings to catch up on this 5 million SCA injustice. It's a worldwide thing, remember that Lance can walk through airports as far away as Switzerland with bags full of whatever he wants. Everybody is in on coating him with teflon.

 

[Microchip]

On youtube the video is now listed as private.

Oh! Maybe it was copyrighted then. Can't imagine that it would be so 'damning' that it had to be hidden from view. Must be a copyright thing.

 

[MarkvW]

There are things in your comments that I will assume as facts. So first if during his proceedings a judge came across a 1.5 million dollar donation(bribe by your description) would that not be obvious witness tampering or obstruction of justice? I mean after all the time line and events appear well defined. Why was this disregard for the law discovered by anybody and everybody except the bar association or a higher court?

It is also a misstep to say that personal expenses and professional ones are easy to define. Many of Armstrong's activities do not appear to have any professional merit to the unknowing. How in the world could traveling from country to country giving brief motivational talks, posing for photos and handshakes be a tax deduction? the questioned is asked over and over and is answered in Livestrongs status as a non profit.
When Lance goes on a charity bike ride to most people it is unreasonable to deduct his travel, lodging, transportation,food, dozens of other expenses for something he would be doing anyway, but that is part of the insanity of the US tax code.

Because I don't know anything about the board or general operations of Livestrong it is hard to conclude one way or the other if a rubber stamp is used on all things Armstrong. I just can't imagine that sane people would would put millions of dollars and 100's of jobs at risk for something that as you
have stated is obviously immoral and illegal.
If your time lines are correct the world has fallen off it's access. Frankie testified in @2006, since then Armstrong and everything he has been involved in have grown both in popularity and monetary gain.

If even some of the things you have written are true then we are all hosed. Our courts, lawyers, judges are all corrupt and have given Armstrong special privilege. Our hospitals,doctors, nurses and administrators are evil and ugly for their brilliant coordinated collusion with Lance for 1.5 million in blood money. The IRS has turned a blind eye to a tax deadbeat bike rider and his multitude of tax free foundations. The wheels of justice may need ceramic bearings to catch up on this 5 million SCA injustice. It's a worldwide thing, remember that Lance can walk through airports as far away as Switzerland with bags full of whatever he wants. Everybody is in on coating him with teflon.

You've got it all wrong! Clinic posters have stated that Lance "will" be charged with (unarticulated) crimes or that there is a "high probability" that Lance will be charged with said (unarticulated) crimes. He's not teflon! HIS DOOM IS NEAR!! You read it here first!

I like your argument! Either Lance is innocent or the entire fabric of our society is hosed! It's right up there with the 'evidence is evidence' argument or the 85% chance that doping caused Lance's cancer argument. Keep it up! Don't let the haters get you down! Your arguments equal theirs in reasoning power!

 

[spetsa]

You've got it all wrong! Clinic posters have stated that Lance "will" be charged with (unarticulated) crimes or that there is a "high probability" that Lance will be charged with said (unarticulated) crimes. He's not teflon! HIS DOOM IS NEAR!! You read it here first!

I like your argument! Either Lance is innocent or the entire fabric of our society is hosed! It's right up there with the 'evidence is evidence' argument or the 85% chance that doping caused Lance's cancer argument. Keep it up! Don't let the haters get you down! Your arguments equal theirs in reasoning power!

The reason that the "entire fabric of our society is hosed", is due to the fact that it is partially and becoming more tightly woven with thread that represents this type of assnine thought process.

 

[MarkvW]

LawyerLand is not in the real world.

When you define your own terms (LawyerLand), you can define your own reality (the real world). You can win every argument (in your own mind) with that technique. Bravo!

 

[MarkvW]

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The reason that the "entire fabric of our society is hosed", is due to the fact that it is partially and becoming more tightly woven with thread that represents this type of assnine thought process.

Some might say assnine. Others might say assten. I say assELEVEN!

Read Aristotle's Rhetoric. The argumentative styles presented on this forum are not new.

 

[spetsa]

Some might say assnine. Others might say assten. I say assELEVEN!

Read Aristotle's Rhetoric. The argumentative styles presented on this forum are not new.

I preferred Kant's Critique of Pure Reason.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

I preferred Kant's Critique of Pure Reason.

I prefer Blackstone's Laws of England, particularly the sections on fraud, conspiracy, bribery and perjury. Ancient crimes that are still with us today.

 

[MarkvW]

[/B]


The reason that the "entire fabric of our society is hosed", is due to the fact that it is partially and becoming more tightly woven with thread that represents this type of assnine thought process.

I prefer Blackstone's Laws of England, particularly the sections on fraud, conspiracy, bribery and perjury. Ancient crimes that are still with us today.

Although, as you know, there are no federal common law crimes.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Although, as you know, there are no federal common law crimes.

Not any more. Gotta love Title 18 and friends.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

When you define your own terms (LawyerLand), you can define your own reality (the real world). You can win every argument (in your own mind) with that technique. Bravo!

What - you are the one who says people cannot say Lance 'will' be charged with a crime, unless they can turn around and say exactly what that crime is.

Why is it I can win every time with that technique? Thats right, because it is the common sense reality of the real world.

 

[Race Radio]

Judge Jacqueline Nguyen has ruled on Armstrong motion to see the Governments sealed response to his unsupported claim of leaks as well as parts of the governments case against him.

The ruling is ... secret.

 

[MarkvW]

What - you are the one who says people cannot say Lance 'will' be charged with a crime, unless they can turn around and say exactly what that crime is.

Why is it I can win every time with that technique? Thats right, because it is the common sense reality of the real world.

Bravo! You win again!

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Bravo! You win again!

To be fair, I didn't really win - you lost.

It was when you tried to introduce made up legal proceedings in to an internet forum to tell people what they could or could not say.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Judge Jacqueline Nguyen has ruled on Armstrong motion to see the Governments sealed response to his unsupported claim of leaks as well as parts of the governments case against him.

The ruling is ... secret.

Link to decision??

 

[ChrisE]

Judge Jacqueline Nguyen has ruled on Armstrong motion to see the Governments sealed response to his unsupported claim of leaks as well as parts of the governments case against him.

The ruling is ... secret.

Why is it secret?

 

[Race Radio]

Why is it secret?

Because Armstrong is Fooked

 

[ChrisE]

Because Armstrong is Fooked

Really? That means you are ready to take that bet I keep offering you, right?