Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[fatandfast]

Running your glass half full probabilities. Your optimism is incredible!

I would say the only way your hero can be avoid prison time is to receive a
Presidential pardon. Lots of strings attached though. One that would be unpalatable for LA is that acceptance of a pardon carries with it an admission of guilt.

If only these current events occurred when GWB was presiding.

smoke the stuff w seeds.nobody except www animals are looking at Lance's pee from 2005 or 2009. This is legend but not close to fact.. First you need to get popped before asking for a pardon. W Lance's grabs he may need to give the pardoners a wad of cash for misc expenses.GW? he wouldn't/won't show his head for months. O ? are these your wars? Is Lance your champion? or riding partner? no stay hidden. Texas and Bush take Lance out of sight for a few

 

[Velodude]

smoke the stuff w seeds.nobody except www animals are looking at Lance's pee from 2005 or 2009. This is legend but not close to fact.. First you need to get popped before asking for a pardon. W Lance's grabs he may need to give the pardoners a wad of cash for misc expenses.GW? he wouldn't/won't show his head for months. O ? are these your wars? Is Lance your champion? or riding partner? no stay hidden. Texas and Bush take Lance out of sight for a few

Incomprehensible. And you think I've been smokin'?

 

[Anonymous]

Hear hear.
I also find scatological humor a trifle irksome.
A bit immature surely?

*** edited by mod ***.

You're the only one allowed to speak of such things because my stalker will banish any reference to such produced from the work of my phalanges. She relishes the opportunity to exercise the power of the edit regarding my posts, the dagger in the side being the obvious and intentional disregard for the original reference to wit I refer. Oh Susan, my sweet sweet Susan, why dost thou punish me so?

 

[Neworld]

smoke the stuff w seeds.nobody except www animals are looking at Lance's pee from 2005 or 2009. This is legend but not close to fact.. First you need to get popped before asking for a pardon. W Lance's grabs he may need to give the pardoners a wad of cash for misc expenses.GW? he wouldn't/won't show his head for months. O ? are these your wars? Is Lance your champion? or riding partner? no stay hidden. Texas and Bush take Lance out of sight for a few

Speaking of items with seeds... you're "CobbleSTONED" right.

Your poor grammer sure mis-sounds like him/her. Just stick to one entry and stream of non-logic please.

NW

 

[Cimacoppi49]

smoke the stuff w seeds.nobody except www animals are looking at Lance's pee from 2005 or 2009. This is legend but not close to fact.. First you need to get popped before asking for a pardon. W Lance's grabs he may need to give the pardoners a wad of cash for misc expenses.GW? he wouldn't/won't show his head for months. O ? are these your wars? Is Lance your champion? or riding partner? no stay hidden. Texas and Bush take Lance out of sight for a few

Huh??????????

 

[Anonymous]

Huh??????????

Crystal meth is a bad drug...

 

[9000ft]

Nah -then the righteous would only complain that the hen house are so full of hate that they use every way to show it.

Its much easier to merely highlight his career of doping and profiting from cancer, then sit back and enjoy the entertainment of people who claim to be neutral fall over themselves to defend or explain the fraud.

Well personally I think it's time to get creative or fall into more and more redundant banality and what fun is that?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Well personally I think it's time to get creative or fall into more and more redundant banality and what fun is that?

"Creative" - you mean make stuff up? Why?
There is no need - as there is plenty from Armstrong's career to demonstrate that he is a fraud.

The only banality is in the responses.

 

[9000ft]

"Creative" - you mean make stuff up? Why?
There is no need - as there is plenty from Armstrong's career to demonstrate that he is a fraud.

The only banality is in the responses.

Yes, yes, yes. That seems to be the gospel here, but how many times can the same thing be said over and over? You can only talk about the freckles on Dr. Ferrari's posterior, or a grand conspiracy, or a twitter exchange so many times. All good, juicy stuff but you can only run it into the ground so much.

C'mon. Lance had to have kicked his dog, yelled at his kid(s), misspelled some words, murdered someone. It's time to move on to new territory! Onward and upward (or is it downward?)

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Yes, yes, yes. That seems to be the gospel here, but how many times can the same thing be said over and over? You can only talk about the freckles on Dr. Ferrari's posterior, or a grand conspiracy, or a twitter exchange so many times. All good, juicy stuff but you can only run it into the ground so much.

C'mon. Lance had to have kicked his dog, yelled at his kid(s), misspelled some words, murdered someone. It's time to move on to new territory! Onward and upward (or is it downward?)

Again, why?
There is no need to make anything up about him - his career long doping and fraudulent activities are more than enough to upset people who feign neutrality
in to defending him or trying to bring things off topic.

 

[ChrisE]

Again, why?
There is no need to make anything up about him - his career long doping and fraudulent activities are more than enough to upset people who feign neutrality
in to defending him or trying to bring things off topic.

I think the point is that posters keep talking about the same thing over and over again, and then others (not you) end up sensationalizing and saying something stupid.

No, I will not go and scour the forum for posts to prove my point. You have to trust me.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I think the point is that posters keep talking about the same thing over and over again, and then others (not you) end up sensationalizing and saying something stupid.

No, I will not go and scour the forum for posts to prove my point. You have to trust me.

I think the point is that Armstrong doped and has been a fraud for much of his career.
There is little to discuss in that and no need to embellish it.
However, there is a core (not you) who attempt to dilute that by saying, "yes, he doped, but....".

No, I will not go and scour the forum for posts to prove my point. You have to trust me.

 

[Anonymous]

I think the point is that posters keep talking about the same thing over and over again, and then others (not you) end up sensationalizing and saying something stupid.

No, I will not go and scour the forum for posts to prove my point. You have to trust me.

I don't write sensational things. I write completely inappropriate things. There is a difference.

 

[ChrisE]

I think the point is that Armstrong doped and has been a fraud for much of his career.
There is little to discuss in that and no need to embellish it.
However, there is a core (not you) who attempt to dilute that by saying, "yes, he doped, but....".

No, I will not go and scour the forum for posts to prove my point. You have to trust me.

Right about now you should go ahead and admit that you are my sockpuppet.

 

[9000ft]

Again, why?
There is no need to make anything up about him - his career long doping and fraudulent activities are more than enough to upset people who feign neutrality
in to defending him or trying to bring things off topic.

Gee Doc, making stuff up is part of what makes the interwebz so special. Anyway, I'm sure the highly skilled Armstrong malfeasance sleuths can come up with new dirt. The old dirt is fine and all that, but it's like a 6 year old kid who likes to watch the same DVD of the Lion King over and over and over. The Lion King is a fine piece of work but there coms a time to give it a rest and move on.

If LA is such a poor excuse for humanity that he is portrayed here, there should be more good stuff out there to bring to the shining light of the truth.

 

[Stingray34]

To see Lance contrite, you must indict

 

[Neworld]

Gee Doc, ...

If LA is such a poor excuse for humanity that he is portrayed here, there should be more good stuff out there to bring to the shining light of the truth.

I think what most people are trying to say is that until justice is attained the topic of LA being a lying, cheating, corrupt human being (who by the way is everything wrong with cycling) deserves constant discussion. That includes challenging his ongoing negative or self-serving comments, actions and his uneducated or deluded followers.

Here's an very generalized and quick example. Image you're in a corrupt society or social setting and those who rise to the top (you define top) do so on the backs of others, they collude with officials and even intimidate others. The 'pack fill' if you will never attain the grandiosity of that person(s). In a followers' world all the 'pack fill' should just talk about it, realize what is right and wrong and then let all stay the way it is. Try living in an oppressed environment.

In my world, that corrupt individual should be confronted by authorities with detailed facts at the same level and severity that his 'popularity and success' has ascended. Until then LA deserves ongoing attention to detail and scrutiny. Talking about something new like fair race results and professional competitions is completely useless ... ergo: the clinic is filled with valid negative commentary about LA.

NW

 

[9000ft]

I think what most people are trying to say is that until justice is attained the topic of LA being a lying, cheating, corrupt human being (who by the way is everything wrong with cycling) deserves constant discussion. That includes challenging his ongoing negative or self-serving comments, actions and his uneducated or deluded followers.

Here's an very generalized and quick example. Image you're in a corrupt society or social setting and those who rise to the top (you define top) do so on the backs of others, they collude with officials and even intimidate others. The 'pack fill' if you will never attain the grandiosity of that person(s). In a followers' world all the 'pack fill' should just talk about it, realize what is right and wrong and then let all stay the way it is. Try living in an oppressed environment.

In my world, that corrupt individual should be confronted by authorities with detailed facts at the same level and severity that his 'popularity and success' has ascended. Until then LA deserves ongoing attention to detail and scrutiny. Talking about something new like fair race results and professional competitions is completely useless ... ergo: the clinic is filled with valid negative commentary about LA.

NW

And you really think very many people outside of niche forums like this care?

For one thing there are plenty of people in this world who have done much, much more harm than Lance Armstrong even if you fully believe all the lurid stories that get passed around in this thread are absolute, indisputable fact. You're talking about a bicycle racer and very few people in the US are even aware of bicycle racing, much less care about it's tawdry little world of PED use.

For another thing, I think most people don't have to look very far, either looking at themselves or those close to them to see imperfection, corruption of one degree or another, overblown ego and so on. We're letting people in the financial world who through their greed almost brought the entire world economy down and pocketed millions in the process walk free. How high do you think Lance Armstrong ranks on the righteous indignation list?

 

[fatandfast]

I think what most people are trying to say is that until justice is attained the topic of LA being a lying, cheating, corrupt human being (who by the way is everything wrong with cycling) deserves constant discussion. That includes challenging his ongoing negative or self-serving comments, actions and his uneducated or deluded followers.

Here's an very generalized and quick example. Image you're in a corrupt society or social setting and those who rise to the top (you define top) do so on the backs of others, they collude with officials and even intimidate others. The 'pack fill' if you will never attain the grandiosity of that person(s). In a followers' world all the 'pack fill' should just talk about it, realize what is right and wrong and then let all stay the way it is. Try living in an oppressed environment.

In my world, that corrupt individual should be confronted by authorities with detailed facts at the same level and severity that his 'popularity and success' has ascended. Until then LA deserves ongoing attention to detail and scrutiny. Talking about something new like fair race results and professional competitions is completely useless ... ergo: the clinic is filled with valid negative commentary about LA.

NW

a poster previous said it's like a child watching and being amused time after time by a favorite video. The drum beat of Lance gone wrong won't stop. The things that people have concluded will never be invalidated in their mind. Lance went into a trailer or tent gave urine or blood, powers that be tested it, did so without incident. The drum beaters say something did or should have happened.
The words valid and authority are used throughout postings about Lance. He has hoodwinked everybody according to the majority here. Police, politicians, the public, pro racing nobody can see the obvious, nobody is intelligent enough. Only posting cycling fans here can see the truth according to the verified views . All the personal stuff can be valid, it is all subjective.
Lance won the races he was tested it's in the books.
He started a charity, he gets enormous amount of cash donated for each cause he supports. He sells things, juice, supplements, cars, beer, bikes and there parts, clothing,cell phones and on and on.
He speaks to people about hope and motivation to great cheer. He lends his brand to other charities and causes from bike races to schools in Haiti. Those are things that are measurable.
The results of a **** 7 years ago can be talked about for another 20 years but the results are in and finalized.If Armstrong's misdeeds land him in court the outcome is still unknown. The race results and the people responsible for there authenticity have made and documented a conclusion. Lance having a big swimming pool or flying in a jet with fuel purchased by a source that some disagree with are issues that have zip to do with bike racing.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

And you really think very many people outside of niche forums like this care?

For one thing there are plenty of people in this world who have done much, much more harm than Lance Armstrong even if you fully believe all the lurid stories that get passed around in this thread are absolute, indisputable fact. You're talking about a bicycle racer and very few people in the US are even aware of bicycle racing, much less care about it's tawdry little world of PED use.

For another thing, I think most people don't have to look very far, either looking at themselves or those close to them to see imperfection, corruption of one degree or another, overblown ego and so on. We're letting people in the financial world who through their greed almost brought the entire world economy down and pocketed millions in the process walk free. How high do you think Lance Armstrong ranks on the righteous indignation list?

That didn't take long - as I said on the previous page -
"yes he doped, but....."

 

[Neworld]

And you really think very many people outside of niche forums like this care?

Joe couch/weekend warrior doesn't care. But, LA's corruption is eons beyond that. His financial endeavours being a false leader in Cancer awareness, and misleading dying human beings while leaping from one dying cheque book to another to make more and more money is corrupt and disgusting. Without his TdF wins he would be a smear on the sidewalk and NO ONE would listen to his empty "cancer awareness' nonsense.

Ask yourself "where would all the money go if LA was never here"? It would go to another Cancer foundation, but better than that an oncological foundation that actually funded trials, promoted by bona fide inspirational leaders. Not funding flights around the world. LA had cancer, so do 1 in 5 people on the planet.

That is the problem with LA, not his drug laden TdF wins.

For one thing there are plenty of people... letting people in the financial world who through their greed almost brought the entire world economy down and pocketed millions in the process walk free. How high do you think Lance Armstrong ranks on the righteous indignation list?

Can't argue with you on that topic, I agree. But, they are all apart of the same societal breakdown and letting one go because he's smaller is not important. LA is not a $5000.00 petty thief who targets old ladies. He's a viable multimillionaire that uses a 'fake winners passport' to steal millions from dying patients. How much more criminal and antisocial can one person be?

NW

 

[Polish]

That didn't take long - as I said on the previous page -
"yes he doped, but....."

"yes he doped, but..."
or
"yes he doped, who cares..."
or
"yes he doped, yawn...
or
"yes he doped, BFD.....
or
"yes he doped, but still would have won one two three four five six seven

Those are healthy attitudes lol.
Common attitudes.
The vast majority.

Compare that to

"yes he doped, we hates him...."
or
"yes he doped, we want justice..."
or
"yes he doped, arrrrrrrrggggggg....."

Just sayin'......

 

[MacRoadie]

Common attitudes.
The vast majority.

Kinda like the all the people who thought the earth was flat, and the center of the universe.

Common attitudes.
The vast majority.

 

[Anonymous]

"yes he doped, but..."
or
"yes he doped, who cares..."
or
"yes he doped, yawn...
or
"yes he doped, BFD.....
or
"yes he doped, but still would have won one two three four five six seven

Those are healthy attitudes lol.
Common attitudes.
The vast majority.

Compare that to

"yes he doped, we hates him...."
or
"yes he doped, we want justice..."
or
"yes he doped, arrrrrrrrggggggg....."

Just sayin'......

Yes he doped, and he is a narcissistic ***, philandering husband/boyfriend, screws over many of the people who work for him, and shows few if any redeeming values even in his charitable ventures.

You see those things as "hate" when they are merely a recognition of reality. I know the ingredient that causes you to see it incorrectly, but if you want to know, you have to send me $100 and call me Dr lol.

 

[MarkvW]

Kinda like the all the people who thought the earth was flat, and the center of the universe.

Common attitudes.
The vast majority.

Yeah, along with all those poor fools who think that water is wet!