Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[AngusW]

Hard to chose what is more awesome:
Setting the TT record as a young teen in New Mexico
OR
Being the fastest 40 year old Pro at EXTERRA World's.

Here are the results:

Overall Men

1. Michael Weiss (AUT) 2:27:00 -- $20,000
2. Dan Hugo (RSA) 2:27:33 -- $12,000
3. Eneko Llanos (ESP) 2:28:26 -- $7,000
4. Josiah Middaugh (Vail, Colorado) 2:29:14 -- $4,000
5. Ivan Raña (ESP) 2:29:31 --- $2,500
6. Olivier Marceau (SUI) 2:29:40 -- $1,500
7. Ronny Dietz ( ) 2:29:47 -- $1,000
8. Richard Ussher (NZL) 2:29:54 -- $800
9. Jan Kubicek (CZE) 2:30:54 -- $600
10. Christopher Legh (AUS) 2:31:10 -- $500
11. Sam Gardner (GBR) 2:33:15 -- $400
12. Jan Froderno (GER) 2:33:20 -- $300
14. Nicolas Lerbrun (FRA) 2:33:57
16. Tim DeBoom (USA) 2:34:23
23. Lance Armstrong (USA) 2:36:59

Tim DeBoom is 40 years old.

Of course, niether of those is as awesome as
Winning the US National ITT and TTT Crowns as a 17 year old Junior
OR
Standing on the Final Podium in Paris at age 38.

Raymond Poulidor made the top three overall at 38 and 40. He stood on the final podium twice at the age of 40. More awesome than Lance?

But none of those are as awesome as
OneTwoThreeFourFiveSixSeven in a Row at the Tour de France!
Duh lol.

Duh indeed. Nobody can match 7 wins in a row at the Tour for awesomeness. Why try to invent other awesomeness achievements for Lance? Is 7 Tours in a row not awesome enough for you?

 

[Race Radio]

Wonderboy has enough people flipping on him.....now the Swiss have as well

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...-to-pay-billions-disclose-customer-names.html

Poor Ferrari is going to find it increasingly hard to get paid, just when he needs money the most

 

[Polish]

really ? Lance used aero bars before LeMond ? Wow ? That's re-writing the history books for me as local media as I remember discussed it in '89 with LeMond's win over Fignon. I'm dying to see the pics. Google here i come..

Here is a pic of Lance circa '87.
Tipped to be a Great TT Man for '88

 

[Polish]

Here are the results:

Overall Men

1. Michael Weiss (AUT) 2:27:00 -- $20,000
2. Dan Hugo (RSA) 2:27:33 -- $12,000
3. Eneko Llanos (ESP) 2:28:26 -- $7,000
4. Josiah Middaugh (Vail, Colorado) 2:29:14 -- $4,000
5. Ivan Raña (ESP) 2:29:31 --- $2,500
6. Olivier Marceau (SUI) 2:29:40 -- $1,500
7. Ronny Dietz ( ) 2:29:47 -- $1,000
8. Richard Ussher (NZL) 2:29:54 -- $800
9. Jan Kubicek (CZE) 2:30:54 -- $600
10. Christopher Legh (AUS) 2:31:10 -- $500
11. Sam Gardner (GBR) 2:33:15 -- $400
12. Jan Froderno (GER) 2:33:20 -- $300
14. Nicolas Lerbrun (FRA) 2:33:57
16. Tim DeBoom (USA) 2:34:23
23. Lance Armstrong (USA) 2:36:59

Tim DeBoom is 40 years old.
?

Thank you for the correction Angus.
Tim BeBoom is an awesome triathlete too.
Two time winner (2001 & 2002) of the Ironman Triathlon World Championship in Hawaii.
Lance would have kicked his **** back in the '80s however

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_DeBoom

 

[MacRoadie]

Here is a pic of Lance circa '87.
Tipped to be a Great TT Man for '88

Still trying to understand what the significance is of a triathlete using aero bars 2 or 3 years after they were introduced into the sport and by which time they had become ubiquitous...

Unidentified amateur female, Kona 1985.

Pretty sure Pete Penseyres won the 1986 RAAM with aero bars too...

Lance rode TT's in '88?

 

[Velodude]

Here is a pic of Lance circa '87.
Tipped to be a Great TT Man for '88

"Here is a pic of Lance circa 87" (riding in a triathlon).

Polish, you claimed in a previous post:

I still stand by my assertion that Lance himself was largely responsible for bringing aero bars into the Pro Peloton.
Lance rode them before Lemond right?

So how does Lance riding aerobars in a triathlon in 87, as you claim, be responsible for the introduction of the aerobars into road TTs before Lemond?

 

[Polish]

"Here is a pic of Lance circa 87" (riding in a triathlon).

Polish, you claimed in a previous post:



So how does Lance riding aerobars in a triathlon in 87, as you claim, be responsible for the introduction of the aerobars into road TTs before Lemond?

The Pro Peloton copied aero bars from the 80's Tri Guys and Gals.
Lance was one of those tri guys. One of the fastest btw.
Copied. Lance rocked aero bars before the older Big Mig.
Big Mig copied.

It is a shame my old thread was deleted, because we discussed all this.
"Lance - The Father of the Modern Time Trial Position" thread. Puff gone.
Must have touched a nerve?
Turns out there was another pro that was racing tri's in the 80's on aero bars
that ended up in the Pro Peloton. Name escapes me. On that thread.

 

[MacRoadie]

The Pro Peloton copied aero bars from the 80's Tri Guys and Gals.
Lance was one of those tri guys. One of the fastest btw.
Copied. Lance rocked aero bars before the older Big Mig.
Big Mig copied.

It is a shame my old thread was deleted, because we discussed all this.
"Lance - The Father of the Modern Time Trial Position" thread. Puff gone.
Must have touched a nerve?
Turns out there was another pro that was racing tri's in the 80's on aero bars
that ended up in the Pro Peloton. Name escapes me. On that thread.

So now Armstrong is just "one of those tri guys". One of thousands. Tens of thousands.

So now Lance "rocked" (what are you 16?) aero bars before Big Mig? Wrong about LeMond so now you try to find someone who came along just a little later? Why don't you just say Lance rocked the aero bars before Contador and be really safe?

As far as that thread goes, just make some more stuff up, just like the last one (and the one before). Some will be none will be the wiser, and the rest of us won't care.

 

[Velodude]

The Pro Peloton copied aero bars from the 80's Tri Guys and Gals.
Lance was one of those tri guys. One of the fastest btw.
Copied. Lance rocked aero bars before the older Big Mig.
Big Mig copied.

It is a shame my old thread was deleted, because we discussed all this.
"Lance - The Father of the Modern Time Trial Position" thread. Puff gone.
Must have touched a nerve?
Turns out there was another pro that was racing tri's in the 80's on aero bars
that ended up in the Pro Peloton. Name escapes me. On that thread.

So Lemond (and Big Mig) copied the use of aerobars from elite triathlete Lance Armstrong who in the race in your "1987" photo was only allocated by the race organisers at starting positon #22.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

So now Armstrong is just "one of those tri guys". One of thousands. Tens of thousands.

So now Lance "rocked" (what are you 16?) aero bars before Big Mig? Wrong about LeMond so now you try to find someone who came along just a little later? Why don't you just say Lance rocked the aero bars before Contador and be really safe?

As far as that thread goes, just make some more stuff up, just like the last one (and the one before). Some will be none will be the wiser, and the rest of us won't care.

The word "Putz" comes to mind. I may have to put him back on my ignore list.

 

[Hitchey]

I'm going to stay on topic, since this is the L thread, even though this post is to question how any milligram of credibility or attention can be attributed to tardo's posts. I've followed this thread from the beginning and have seen how tardo obviously knew absolutely all of nothing about cycling, it's history, it's facts and tried to post random facts (many just made up) in order to breath while buried in that great yellow and brown cave.

Now what I see is someone who writes what appears to be drivel coming from the poor 8 yr old kid who came to school stinky every day but had a crush on the bestest kickball player who didn't know they were alive.

Only now, they have 10,000 hours of cycling trivia under their belt and the pile of garbage is truly inspiring.

The tone, manner of writing, and absudity of tardo's posts leave me in wonder as to the point. Intern? Stalker? The best poser troll I've ever seen?

One piece of good cop bad cop rubbish after another.

Let's throw out 10 random "facts of awesomeness".... oh, oops, you caught me on 3 of the lies.....

Yes, yes, I've heard it before, amusing... c'mon people?
I see every single post from tardo as someone standing there simply saying, "neener neener" and we keep falling for it.
Ok, that was my post for the month. Back to his highness, L.

 

[BroDeal]

I'm going to stay on topic, since this is the L thread, even though this post is to question how any milligram of credibility or attention can be attributed to tardo's posts. I've followed this thread from the beginning and have seen how tardo obviously knew absolutely all of nothing about cycling, it's history, it's facts and tried to post random facts (many just made up) in order to breath while buried in that great yellow and brown cave.

Now what I see is someone who writes what appears to be drivel coming from the poor 8 yr old kid who came to school stinky every day but had a crush on the bestest kickball player who didn't know they were alive.

Only now, they have 10,000 hours of cycling trivia under their belt and the pile of garbage is truly inspiring.

The tone, manner of writing, and absudity of tardo's posts leave me in wonder as to the point. Intern? Stalker? The best poser troll I've ever seen?

One piece of good cop bad cop rubbish after another.

Let's throw out 10 random "facts of awesomeness".... oh, oops, you caught me on 3 of the lies.....

Yes, yes, I've heard it before, amusing... c'mon people?
I see every single post from tardo as someone standing there simply saying, "neener neener" and we keep falling for it.
Ok, that was my post for the month. Back to his highness, L.

"English, motherf*****, do you speak it?"

 

[MarkvW]

I'm going to stay on topic, since this is the L thread, even though this post is to question how any milligram of credibility or attention can be attributed to tardo's posts. I've followed this thread from the beginning and have seen how tardo obviously knew absolutely all of nothing about cycling, it's history, it's facts and tried to post random facts (many just made up) in order to breath while buried in that great yellow and brown cave.

Now what I see is someone who writes what appears to be drivel coming from the poor 8 yr old kid who came to school stinky every day but had a crush on the bestest kickball player who didn't know they were alive.

Only now, they have 10,000 hours of cycling trivia under their belt and the pile of garbage is truly inspiring.

The tone, manner of writing, and absudity of tardo's posts leave me in wonder as to the point. Intern? Stalker? The best poser troll I've ever seen?

One piece of good cop bad cop rubbish after another.

Let's throw out 10 random "facts of awesomeness".... oh, oops, you caught me on 3 of the lies.....

Yes, yes, I've heard it before, amusing... c'mon people?
I see every single post from tardo as someone standing there simply saying, "neener neener" and we keep falling for it.
Ok, that was my post for the month. Back to his highness, L.

There's a codependent relationship going on here. Five to ten posters cannot resist attacking Lance, even if they have made the same attacks over and over, and even if they have demonstrated the accuracy of those attacks over and over. Those posters will attack other posters personally if they do not display a sufficient measure of LanceHate (even in threads not ostensibly related to Armstrong). They cannot resist.

Polish's posts have zeroed in on the obsessiveness / compulsiveness of these posters. When she stimulates animated and rude discussions about Lance's testicles or his pre-Lemond aerobar innovations, she hones in on those OC traits. Polish is deliberately parodying and baiting those posters--and they invariably take her bait. It is perversely funny to see what new LanceAbsurdity® will be the next topic of discussion.

Polish's posts fill a need shared by these five to ten posters. If she didn't exist, they'd have to invent her. Don't think that's true? Ask the posters who have wrongly been accused of being fanboys or shills. The haters need something to hate.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

There's a codependent relationship going on here. '...'

Fascinating stuff. Care to share some insight into what motivates your own participation in this thread?

 

[MarkvW]

Fascinating stuff. Care to share some insight into what motivates your own participation in this thread?

Man, I wish I knew.

 

[Velodude]

Man, I wish I knew.

And where is your oscillating indicator pointing at the moment? Fanboy or hater?

Polish is in the mix only for entertainment value as the devil's advocate. Is not that obvious to you?

 

[MarkvW]

And where is your oscillating indicator pointing at the moment? Fanboy or hater?

Polish is in the mix only for entertainment value as the devil's advocate. Is not that obvious to you?

"Amused Spectator"

Polish is essential to this thread. Haters need a focus.

 

[Velodude]

"Amused Spectator"

Polish is essential to this thread. Haters need a focus.

Your bias is confusing pragmatists with haters.

Pragmatists are focused on the facts and form their opinions from those facts.

The facts do not support Armstrong not being indicted or being acquitted unless there are procedural flaws in the Feds' case.

The best that Armstrong can do is to attempt to limit the damage with a Tiger Woods style public mea culpa. But Hell would have frozen over by then.

 

[MarkvW]

Your bias is confusing pragmatists with haters.

Pragmatists are focused on the facts and form their opinions from those facts.

The facts do not support Armstrong not being indicted or being acquitted unless there are procedural flaws in the Feds' case.

The best that Armstrong can do is to attempt to limit the damage with a Tiger Woods style public mea culpa. But Hell would have frozen over by then.

When I see a poster knocking another poster for an absence of "vitriol" toward Armstrong and Bruyneel. . . well that's hate no matter how you slice it. When I see derogatory comments about the man's genitalia? Is that not hate? I could go on and on. Pragmatism, schmagmatism. The five to ten posters I write about probably do have reasonably well founded pragmatic opinions about Armstrong, but their own written words reveal their hate. Not that there's anything wrong with that! It makes for a good show when the lovers spar with the haters.

Thanks for your legal opinion that the feds have already amasssed sufficient admissible evidence to convict Lance (of something) beyond a reasonable doubt. That's not very pragmatic, by the way. It is more hopeful than anything else. Show me one lawyer who has expressed that opinion.

And, finally, if Lance is ever convicted of a crime he will fall over himself making apologies to everyone and everything--because it would be in his financial interest to do so. That's modern day crisis-management, and Lance will want to 'win' at crisis management. Then, if the admission is to doping, the haters will smother Lance in a joepapplike embrace of antidoping love, and the filthy doped up world of pro cycling will continue as before.

 

[Kretch]

Help!

This thread is in desperate need of some news.

Even a Hoggiedamus prediction would be better that this awesomeness aerobar drivel.

RR, please something!

 

[Cimacoppi49]

There's a codependent relationship going on here. Five to ten posters cannot resist attacking Lance, even if they have made the same attacks over and over, and even if they have demonstrated the accuracy of those attacks over and over. Those posters will attack other posters personally if they do not display a sufficient measure of LanceHate (even in threads not ostensibly related to Armstrong). They cannot resist.

Polish's posts have zeroed in on the obsessiveness / compulsiveness of these posters. When she stimulates animated and rude discussions about Lance's testicles or his pre-Lemond aerobar innovations, she hones in on those OC traits. Polish is deliberately parodying and baiting those posters--and they invariably take her bait. It is perversely funny to see what new LanceAbsurdity® will be the next topic of discussion.

Polish's posts fill a need shared by these five to ten posters. If she didn't exist, they'd have to invent her. Don't think that's true? Ask the posters who have wrongly been accused of being fanboys or shills. The haters need something to hate.

Attacking? No. Discussing information in the news? Yes. Lance & Co. are what they've made themselves into.

 

[Polish]

Ok, so now that we have determined that aero bars and aero helmets and big sunglasses were invented by 80's Pro Tri Athletes in the US - not by the Pro riders in the Tour de France - I have an up to date question.
Back to the present.

Who are the faster Time Trialers?
Pro Tri Athletes or Pro Road Cylists?
I know it is not apples to apples, since tri guys need to run and swim also.
Better all around athletes those tri guys.
But who is faster on their road bikes?

Jalabert was pretty decent as a tri guy.
Not nearly as fast as the fastest pro tri guys though

 

[Velodude]

Ok, so now that we have determined that aero bars and aero helmets and big sunglasses were invented by 80's Pro Tri Athletes in the US - not by the Pro riders in the Tour de France - I have an up to date question.
Back to the present.

Who are the faster Time Trialers?
Pro Tri Athletes or Pro Road Cylists?
I know it is not apples to apples, since tri guys need to run and swim also.
Better all around athletes those tri guys.
But who is faster on their road bikes?

Jalabert was pretty decent as a tri guy.
Not nearly as fast as the fastest pro tri guys though

Comparing apples with apples?

Pro roadie time triallers riding as a TTT are faster than a bunch of pro triathletes riding under the drafting allowed rule

Also speaking from experience, in the main, triathletes are terrible descenders compared to roadies and, with their predominance of slow twitch fiber, can be easily dropped after slow cone turns.

 

[Neworld]

Here is a pic of Lance circa '87.
Tipped to be a Great TT Man for '88

Wow that was fast Polish. Do you keep that pic above your bed or in the water closet? Kidding bubs. But that must be in the 'emergency Forum photo' pile beside your computer. Yikes!

NW

 

[Hitchey]

Who are the faster Time Trialers?
Pro Tri Athletes or Pro Road Cylists?
But who is faster on their road bikes?

Jalabert was pretty decent as a tri guy.
Not nearly as fast as the fastest pro tri guys though

Here's the perfect example of a person who's knowledgeable, experienced, and well versed in the dynamics and details of cycling and the cycling world. It's glaringly obvious that they are overqualified to debate and discuss the nuances as well as details of which this thread entails.

Please, all of you who have raced, worked in the cycling industry, worked in the pro peleton in some capacity, or who might personally know some or many of the key players in the LA saga, not to mention actual members of the bar, past and present who somehow might intertwine with that which is mentioned in this paragraph, you have now witnessed the light and the awesomeness that renders all your wisdom and experience worthless.