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[AcademyCC]

Do the Feds need second samples if they have 6 in total??



Ferarri can ay what he want the evidence will be money. no one pays huge money in cycling for some training plans.



They admitted to lying, which adds to their credibility . Digging a little by the feds will prove their testimonies to be full of credibility.


Her testimony will back what all the others have been saying. Why would she lie. Nothing to gain. No book deal. She liked Armstrong.


When the Doctor/s who heard Armstrong admit to PED use come forward or testify under oath the Andreus will be villifed (already are in my eyes)



Again more lies? Another smoking gun. Her testimony under oath along with others, a smoking gun.



I dont think so, when the money trail is followed from the sale of those bikes and leads to a Swiss bank account by a company owned by Ferarri or Ferarri's son etc or other PED source, corporate america will wash their hands so of the cheat and spin it to their advantage, which has the disadvantage of dropping said athlete further in the poo. I wonder how quickly Jone's sponsors ripped down her image from their shops, posters, websites etc

But on top we have Big George's evidence, Popo's evidence, money transactions, Tailwinds money trails, and probably things we have not thought of that the Feds have found.

All good points

 

[Dr. Maserati]

couldnt find the guardian link but did get this one for you. Its along the same lines.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5508863

"Lance and I used to be good friends," Betsy Andreu told NPR. "I would go to his house and I would cook for him; I would talk to him on the phone about baby questions; I used to go out to dinner with Frankie and Lance and Kristin, often." Kristin was Armstrong's first wife. Betsy Andreu acknowledges that over the years, her friendship with Lance Armstrong soured. But she says that doesn't mean she would do something, in her words, so reprehensible as make up a story about the hospital room. "I'm sorry that it upsets him so much that I refuse to lie under oath. I was always going to tell the truth," she said.

Where does that Betsy says she hates Lance?

I am not surprised you could not find the Guardian (or Times) link - as it does not exist.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I know and I’m with you guys. But watch the pattern. Whenever someone is shown up in their defense of Lance or a new piece of info comes out on Lance you’ll get this style of play to push the older posts back. Its obvious tactic and we fall into it each and every time. 6 EPO Positives comes up time and time again.

Its coming up to Christmas - think of the interns.

 

[MarkvW]

Do the Feds need second samples if they have 6 in total??



Ferarri can ay what he want the evidence will be money. no one pays huge money in cycling for some training plans.



They admitted to lying, which adds to their credibility . Digging a little by the feds will prove their testimonies to be full of credibility.


Her testimony will back what all the others have been saying. Why would she lie. Nothing to gain. No book deal. She liked Armstrong.


When the Doctor/s who heard Armstrong admit to PED use come forward or testify under oath the Andreus will be villifed (already are in my eyes)



Again more lies? Another smoking gun. Her testimony under oath along with others, a smoking gun.



I dont think so, when the money trail is followed from the sale of those bikes and leads to a Swiss bank account by a company owned by Ferarri or Ferarri's son etc or other PED source, corporate america will wash their hands so of the cheat and spin it to their advantage, which has the disadvantage of dropping said athlete further in the poo. I wonder how quickly Jone's sponsors ripped down her image from their shops, posters, websites etc

But on top we have Big George's evidence, Popo's evidence, money transactions, Tailwinds money trails, and probably things we have not thought of that the Feds have found.

Okay, you've just proved Lance doped. That's pretty obvious by now anyway, isn't it. Why flog the dead horse?

 

[MarkvW]

Did she really - then you can link the Guardian and Times pieces that you claim she said that so.

As predictable as clockwork!

 

[poupou]

Credibility of Lance will be destroy by listing the numerous lies in his statements. I do believe that could take a long day to questions him on those lies, that would make a good appetizer.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Okay, you've just proved Lance doped. That's pretty obvious by now anyway, isn't it. Why flog the dead horse?

As predictable as clockwork!

 

[AcademyCC]

'Betsy Andreu acknowledges that over the years, her friendship with Lance Armstrong soured.' The word 'hates' isnt there but its the sentiment i was meaning.

When trying to discredit her he will use this - thats what i meant

 

[Dr. Maserati]

'Betsy Andreu acknowledges that over the years, her friendship with Lance Armstrong soured.' The word 'hates' isnt there but its the sentiment i was meaning.

When trying to discredit her he will use this - thats what i meant

Well that's not what you claimed - so the only one discredited so far is you.

Originally Posted by AcademyCC
Frankie/Betsy - only two people their who have testified to hearing the hospital chats. Everyone else present deny's hearing it (although it is Armstrongs inner circle) Enough to discredit them.
Betsy is also down on numerous records saying she hates LAnce - stupid woman

Also - "Everyone else present deny's hearing it" - really?
Again I think you need to reread FLTL - as that, like the Betsy hates Lance claim, is also untrue.

 

[AcademyCC]

Well that's not what you claimed - so the only one discredited so far is you.



Also - "Everyone else present deny's hearing it" - really?
Again I think you need to reread FLTL - as that, like the Betsy hates Lance claim, is also untrue.

Ha ha. You take this very seriously dont you?

Who else present backs up the andreus testimony then?

Im nearly certain ive read the word 'hate' but as im not prepared to read the book again tonight ill accept your point, i cant prove it. Even still i think your clutching at straws, my point was simply that they dont get on!

 

[AcademyCC]

And they dont get on! That is the guts of my point. If you wish for word perfect points you shall get them from now on

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Ha ha. You take this very seriously dont you?

Exposing liars and untruths?
Yes, I do.

Who else present backs up the andreus testimony then?

I asked you the question - as you said "everyone else denys hearing it" - so who are they.

As to your question - both Andreus, and McIlvain, and Startt blows a hole in Stephanies recollection (you do know he is right?)

Im nearly certain ive read the word 'hate' but as im not prepared to read the book again tonight ill accept your point, i cant prove it. Even still i think your clutching at straws, my point was simply that they dont get on!

The reason you can't prove it is because you made it up.

 

[HL2037]

And they dont get on! That is the guts of my point. If you wish for word perfect points you shall get them from now on

Does anyone get on with LA, except for those payed for it?

 

[AcademyCC]

Exposing liars and untruths?
Yes, I do.



I asked you the question - as you said "everyone else denys hearing it" - so who are they.

As to your question - both Andreus, and McIlvain, and Startt blows a hole in Stephanies recollection (you do know he is right?)


The reason you can't prove it is because you made it up.

Bob Stapelton and Chris Carmichel are two for certain who were there.

 

[AcademyCC]

Does anyone get on with LA, except for those payed for it?

True. He seems to discard friends as quickly as he makes them. More than likely to stop them from getting to close. Strange guy

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Bob Stapelton and Chris Carmichel are two for certain who were there.

Bob Stapelton - the HTC guy? What was he doing there?

You said "everyone else denys hearing it" -can you show me where in the SCA case Carmichael said anything?

As I said, you need to reread FLTL. (That is if you have read it.)

 

[AcademyCC]

Bob Stapelton - the HTC guy? What was he doing there?

You said "everyone else denys hearing it" -can you show me where in the SCA case Carmichael said anything?

As I said, you need to reread FLTL. (That is if you have read it.)

ha ha typo...bill

 

[mewmewmew13]

I'll be checking the member suspension thread tonight...

 

[AcademyCC]

Bob Stapelton - the HTC guy? What was he doing there?

You said "everyone else denys hearing it" -can you show me where in the SCA case Carmichael said anything?

As I said, you need to reread FLTL. (That is if you have read it.)

And as i said your knitpicking is fair enough, ill be more careful as to how i word my points.

 

[fatandfast]

Does anyone get on with LA, except for those payed for it?

?? If not being friends with people that sued you makes you mean spirited Armstrong is way down on everybody's mean meter. He has an ex wife and girlfriends that he doesn't sleep w or vacation with, pretty normal. He has worked in bike racing for 20 years and has a few close pals that appear at his events. Are you talking about Matthew McConaughey? Who are all the people Lance was once friends with and now he is not?

If you start with Flandis or Tyler don't bother. Make sure you watch video of Lance and Frankie sharing a handshake and smile before and after Andreu interviews him, not talking like they are enemies.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

ha ha typo...bill

Bill wasn't in the room either BPC.

 

[thehog]

I'll be checking the member suspension thread tonight...

Yep. I left for an hour and Dr. M is still going for it.

 

[MarkvW]

Will Weisel have a conversation with Wonderboy to do an Oliver North deal and tell him to take the fall now and it'll be all better once Wonderboy does some time?

Chances are very good Weisel and Co. flat out abandon Wonderboy. There's some heavy personal psychology for Wonderboy at work in that relationship. Having another father figure abandon him is about right.

The idea of a federal doping prosecution is pretty ridiculous. They didn't prosecute Tammy Thomas, Barry Bonds, or Roger Clemens for doping. There's no chance Lance is going to get prosecuted for doping. Like Tyler says: Lance wasn't doing anything the other Posties weren't doing. If there is a federal criminal prosecution involving doping, it's got to be a fraud prosecution.

I doubt Armstrong would face perjury, because he'll almost surely take the 5th when called before the GJ.

If the Tailwind principals all take the 5th, it is going to be very hard for the feds to prove a conspiracy. The feds need a weak link among the tailwind management. No sign of one at this time. Bet Lance and Weasel have rewarded them lavishly?

Going on nineteen months now . . .

 

[AcademyCC]

Bill wasn't in the room either BPC.

How do you know? Betsy's testimony?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

How do you know? Betsy's testimony?

Betsy, Frankie and Stephanie.

You are the one who claimed he was there (and that he denied the story)
So, if he was what did he say and what did he see?

(Hint, he wasn't there)