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[MacRoadie]

A super-high profile case wouldn't be filed without his getting keyed-in beforehand.

One would then surmise that any requests for a grand jury extension, authority to send US investigators from multiple agencies to Europe, interfaces with a number of European law enforcement agencies, and the expenditure of "millions of taxpayer dollars" would all also be vetted by Holder.

 

[Race Radio]

While Holder would certainly have input the day to day approval would have to go through Lanny Breuer, Head of the Criminal Division of the Justice department.

Lanny is a big name in the legal circles. Not just because of his current position but because he was Clinton's lawyer from 1997 to 1999 during independent-counsel and Congressional investigations, and the impeachment hearings. During this time he worked closely with Chris Lehane, Clinton Spokesman and head lawyer for the Lewinsky case.

What is Chris doing now? He is Mark Fabiani's business partner of course.

So when we laugh at the latest absurd lie from Fabiani remember he was hired for his connections to Breuer, not because he can direct an effective misinformation campaign.

 

[sherer]

Didn't say impossible. Said hard. Conspiracy requires agreement. Without one of the agreeing parties, or a wiretap, it can be hard to prove that agreement.

Immunity's already been given to Tyler and George. Who, among the Tailwind leadership would the feds give immunity to?

Never heard immunity has been given to anyone so far. Not seen this listed on any news websites either so unless you know both of these people how can you claim the above is true ?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I'll be checking the member suspension thread tonight...

why is that? Something got you mad?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

There is no mystery - a guy at Dealey Plaza showed me a drain from where the front head shot came from.

As for the hospital room - we may need to draw a list of people who were not in the room, can you account for your movements for the October 1996?

Having some trouble with that date. I believe that I might have been overseas at the time.

So I was most likely .....as far as I can recall ......Not in the room.

 

[fatandfast]

And Jogi, Jeff Spencer, Stephanie...... The list of bitter haters is a long one. Even a skilled liar like Fabiani would have trouble keeping a straight face

DZ nuts and Vandevelde have said they hate Lance? Or anything about his guilt or innocence? Don't remember that. Anybody from Oakley ever say Lance did something?

 

[9000ft]

DZ nuts and Vandevelde have said they hate Lance? Or anything about his guilt or innocence? Don't remember that. Anybody from Oakley ever say Lance did something?

Dude, everybody hates Lance, he's the most hated man on earth. Haven't you been reading the clinic? It can't be in the clinic if it's not true.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Dude, everybody hates Lance, he's the most hated man on earth. Haven't you been reading the clinic? It can't be in the clinic if it's not true.

Thats not true. The girls at the Crawfish stands and the Yellow Rose do not hate LA.

 

[Cimacoppi48]

While Holder would certainly have input the day to day approval would have to go through Lanny Breuer, Head of the Criminal Division of the Justice department.

Lanny is a big name in the legal circles. Not just because of his current position but because he was Clinton's lawyer from 1997 to 1999 during independent-counsel and Congressional investigations, and the impeachment hearings. During this time he worked closely with Chris Lehane, Clinton Spokesman and head lawyer for the Lewinsky case.

What is Chris doing now? He is Mark Fabiani's business partner of course.

So when we laugh at the latest absurd lie from Fabiani remember he was hired for his connections to Breuer, not because he can direct an effective misinformation campaign.

I've seen mention in several places that Fabiani's Krew has already met with Holder and was effectively told to shove it.

 

[MarkvW]

One would then surmise that any requests for a grand jury extension, authority to send US investigators from multiple agencies to Europe, interfaces with a number of European law enforcement agencies, and the expenditure of "millions of taxpayer dollars" would all also be vetted by Holder.

Since Congressmen were talking about the investigation, one would assume that the boss would want to be briefed.

 

[Fausto's Schnauzer]

Having some trouble with that date. I believe that I might have been overseas at the time.

So I was most likely .....as far as I can recall ......Not in the room.

Okay, and what about November 22, 1963? Anywhere near Dealy Plaza, huh?!

 

[fatandfast]

Since Congressmen were talking about the investigation, one would assume that the boss would want to be briefed.

using this outlook , Armstrong can be sure to have a nice Christmas. No way Obama wants to take out a feel good American icon. No way the GOP wants to see a know associate of ex pres Bush and big GOP donor tossed in jail before the election. Think of the prison fun, Bush in jail for war crimes and Lance next to him on a spin bike.Lots of prisons in Texas.

 

[Velodude]

While Holder would certainly have input the day to day approval would have to go through Lanny Breuer, Head of the Criminal Division of the Justice department.

Lanny is a big name in the legal circles. Not just because of his current position but because he was Clinton's lawyer from 1997 to 1999 during independent-counsel and Congressional investigations, and the impeachment hearings. During this time he worked closely with Chris Lehane, Clinton Spokesman and head lawyer for the Lewinsky case.

What is Chris doing now? He is Mark Fabiani's business partner of course.

So when we laugh at the latest absurd lie from Fabiani remember he was hired for his connections to Breuer, not because he can direct an effective misinformation campaign.

Being an administrative decision maker with those connections to Fabiani he would be forced to recuse himself from any decision that could show any favor towards Armstrong.

In other parts of the world it is known as a reasonable apprehension of bias.

Wishful thinking from LA fanboys that at this late stage his (only) salvation would be by a decision by an interfering federal government bureaucrat.

Floyd tried a similar desperate ploy. Write to your Congressman.

 

[Oldman]

using this outlook , Armstrong can be sure to have a nice Christmas. No way Obama wants to take out a feel good American icon. No way the GOP wants to see a know associate of ex pres Bush and big GOP donor tossed in jail before the election. Think of the prison fun, Bush in jail for war crimes and Lance next to him on a spin bike.Lots of prisons in Texas.

It is a sign of our sport's myopia and your peculiar view that you think any of those people/groups that you reference would give a flat, flying ____ about Lance. They respond to Pfizer, Microsoft, etc on patent infringements and compromise of copyrighted goods. It's about money and Lance's only fear is he knows something they want him to disclose...he should be afraid of that and what it will cost him. That's all he's ever been concerned with in his "career" anyway.

 

[thehog]

using this outlook , Armstrong can be sure to have a nice Christmas. No way Obama wants to take out a feel good American icon. No way the GOP wants to see a know associate of ex pres Bush and big GOP donor tossed in jail before the election. Think of the prison fun, Bush in jail for war crimes and Lance next to him on a spin bike.Lots of prisons in Texas.

I see the reverse. Take down Armstrong for greed and skip the bankers. The public is baying for blood of somebody who absconded with the public’s money. I’d put Lance’s head up as the prize.

 

[Velodude]

It is less about "saying," than it is about "knowing." I'd bet only a few Tailwind people were involved in the USPS sponsorship negotiations. I'm sure the little fish were out of the loop.

The crime happened if one of the agents of Tailwind represented that the team was clean while knowing it was dirty, or maybe if an agent was manipulated into unknowingly representing that the the team was clean when it was really dirty.

If the Tailwind principals say that they all believed the team was clean, and there is no proof otherwise, then the Tailwind principals walk. I've yet to see any indication that Armstrong played any role in the contract negotiations with USPS.

So, if the Tailwind principals stand firm, then it seems to me the feds have to link Armstrong to the people who negotiated the contract. That's the hard part, as I see it.

So in your "professional" opinion you advise that Lance Armstrong, being a director of Tailwind Sports, would only be complicit in the alleged USPS contract fraud if evidence existed that he had knowledge of the germane terms of the contract through being involved in negotiations?

The raison d'etre of the US Postal cycling team and the bulk of its revenue related to that contract.

The directors, both collectively and individually, had a statutory duty of care before approving that contract for execution to make themselves familiar with the terms of the contract.

A dereliction of duty is not a grounds of defense to any director. The signatories to that contract bind the board in its capacity as the agent for the company.

 

[Polish]

Wishful thinking from LA fanboys that at this late stage his (only) salvation would be by a decision by an interfering federal government bureaucrat.
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Wrong Velodude. Just the opposite really.
Where has a Fanboy ever taken this position?
Its all about a WitchHunt and Waste of taxpayer money.

After all, Fanboys KNOW that a lack of evidence will lead to NO indictments.
Just like it happened with Pound/Bordry/Gendarmes/ETC/ETC/ETC.
SSDD.

Of course, the tinfoil brigade will say "Lance bribed the FDA" when no indictments come down.
You know that is true, right?

 

[MacRoadie]

So in your "professional" opinion you advise that Lance Armstrong, being a director of Tailwind Sports, would only be complicit in the alleged USPS contract fraud if evidence existed that he had knowledge of the germane terms of the contract through being involved in negotiations?

The raison d'etre of the US Postal cycling team and the bulk of its revenue related to that contract.

The directors, both collectively and individually, had a statutory duty of care before approving that contract for execution to make themselves familiar with the terms of the contract.

A dereliction of duty is not a grounds of defense to any director. The signatories to that contract bind the board in its capacity as the agent for the company.

All of your fancy words and legal terms are confusing to me!

 

[fatandfast]

It is a sign of our sport's myopia and your peculiar view that you think any of those people/groups that you reference would give a flat, flying ____ about Lance. They respond to Pfizer, Microsoft, etc on patent infringements and compromise of copyrighted goods. It's about money and Lance's only fear is he knows something they want him to disclose...he should be afraid of that and what it will cost him. That's all he's ever been concerned with in his "career" anyway.

I agree w you that Lance is small time. I also know that politicians don't like lots of photos of them shaking hands with the convicted. I wonder which one of the "careers" you mean. His bike racing career is over, it's in the books. His career as an advocate appears to be going great. In fact if it turns out that he committed mad quantities of crime post-livestrong's start it will be a really compelling excuse.

 

[MacRoadie]

His career as an advocate appears to be going great. In fact if it turns out that he committed mad quantities of crime post-livestrong's start it will be a really compelling excuse.

So, the party line now is that one can commit "mad quantities of crime" as long as you're a strong advocate for some cause.

Advocacy as an excuse for crime. Brilliant.

 

[AcademyCC]

So, the party line now is that one can commit "mad quantities of crime" as long as you're a strong advocate for some cause.

Advocacy as an excuse for crime. Brilliant.

What are these 'mad quantities of crime'?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

What are these 'mad quantities of crime'?

You should direct that to fatandfast - they were the one's to make the claim..........

I agree w you that Lance is small time. I also know that politicians don't like lots of photos of them shaking hands with the convicted. I wonder which one of the "careers" you mean. His bike racing career is over, it's in the books. His career as an advocate appears to be going great. In fact if it turns out that he committed mad quantities of crime post-livestrong's start it will be a really compelling excuse.

 

[AcademyCC]

The Dr strikes again... you keep me right doc

 

[MarkvW]

So in your "professional" opinion you advise that Lance Armstrong, being a director of Tailwind Sports, would only be complicit in the alleged USPS contract fraud if evidence existed that he had knowledge of the germane terms of the contract through being involved in negotiations?

The raison d'etre of the US Postal cycling team and the bulk of its revenue related to that contract.

The directors, both collectively and individually, had a statutory duty of care before approving that contract for execution to make themselves familiar with the terms of the contract.

A dereliction of duty is not a grounds of defense to any director. The signatories to that contract bind the board in its capacity as the agent for the company.

I knew Armstrong had an ownership interest in Tailwind, but I didn't know he was a director.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I knew Armstrong had an ownership interest in Tailwind, but I didn't know he was a director.

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