Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Velodude]

I'm still hoping that Lance has perjured himself before the GJ under a grant of immunity. No evidence of it, but it would be an absolutely Martha Stewart "good thing."

From a book on Federal Grand Jury Practice & Procedure by a claimed expert defense attorney.

In plainer terms, a target is a person whose prosecution is almost
certain. A subject—a person whom the grand jury is investigating—may
become a target. This is a significant distinction. It is the rare target who
can talk his way out of an indictment; rather he is likely to supply the
grand jury with reason to add a perjury count to the indictment.
Accordingly, savvy counsel usually will not allow his "target'' clients to
testify before the grand jury. Not surprisingly, the savvy prosecutor
usually will find a reason not to name "targets'' until his investigations are
nearly complete. Until then, if asked whether an individual is a grand jury
"target,'' the prosecutor will inevitably reply, "not at this time,'' or with
some equally ambiguous phrase

I would expect that Lance Armstrong has received his target letter and his counsel would keep him away from the GJ under normal circumstances but moreso as he has a poor track record with telling the truth.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

WADA/USADA, whatever.

I agree they can be, and even might be, but I'm still not hopeful. Would be neat.

Hope? To take us full circle, fortunately you can buy hope at Nike:

 

[Anonymous]

Do some research into why Grand Juries are secret.
Important. Almost sacred.

Lance has not been indicted. That is reality.
I'm sure you will let me know if that changes.

Do some research into how many Grand Juries don't end up handing down indictments.

The Grand Jury is still sitting.
I will let you know when they no longer are.

As for the TdF stuff, thanks for admitting you didn't actually know what you were talking about. I like a humble man even if he is irrelevant.

 

[MarkvW]

From a book on Federal Grand Jury Practice & Procedure by a claimed expert defense attorney.



I would expect that Lance Armstrong has received his target letter and his counsel would keep him away from the GJ under normal circumstances but moreso as he has a poor track record with telling the truth.

Your conclusion depends upon Armstrong receiving a target letter. You have no evidence of that. So, my hope remains!

A perjury prosecution would make all the doping relevant--even the old Postie stuff. The prosecutor would have Armstrong served up like a frog on paraffin.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Your conclusion depends upon Armstrong receiving a target letter. You have no evidence of that. So, my hope remains!

A perjury prosecution would make all the doping relevant--even the old Postie stuff. The prosecutor would have Armstrong served up like a frog on paraffin.

Are you 'hopeful' are 'not hopeful'? Or does it every change every second post?

 

[ChrisE]

Do some research into how many Grand Juries don't end up handing down indictments.

The Grand Jury is still sitting.
I will let you know when they no longer are.

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TFF a question about the GJ.

You say they are still sitting. This is like 18 months or so by now. The same people are on it?

I assume it is normal for people that don't work to be on these????? I don't know anybody that could blow off work for 18 months, that had to work in the first place. Is there a law in place that makes employers pay their employees if they are serving on a jury?

 

[Polish]

I like a humble man even if he is irrelevant.

Just a humble and irrelevant pee drinking salad tossing fanboy troll

But geez, its hard to be relevant these days.
You know its true.
Nothing but recycled SSDD.

However, if you get your indictment wish, if your indictment dreams come true, I promise to be more relevant. The "waste of taxpayer money" and "hung jury" reality will become relevent again. The excitement and also the backlash will get this thread up to 50000 by the time the mistrial happens lol.

 

[MarkvW]

Are you 'hopeful' are 'not hopeful'? Or does it every change every second post?

Or are you being unduly argumentative?

My hope is a hope based only on my own desire for schadenfreude. I can point to no evidence indicating that it likely or unlikely to occur. Nobody can authoritatively say it will happen and nobody can authoritatively say it will not happen.

 

[MacRoadie]

Lance Armstrong: "But only once, right? Whatever, man."

Polish: "Oh, that "walking on the moon" thing again.
Walked on the moon once.
SSDD.
Lance mountain bikes with the man in the moon.
POTUS.
Full moon.
Mooning the haters.
Yelow jerseys, color of the sun.
Seven sun-yellow jerseys.
One,two,three,four,five,six,seven."

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Or are you being unduly argumentative?

My hope is a hope based only on my own desire for schadenfreude. I can point to no evidence indicating that it likely or unlikely to occur. Nobody can authoritatively say it will happen and nobody can authoritatively say it will not happen.

It is not argumentative to point out your hypocrisy and inconsistency - you write that you want schadenfreude/justice/punishment etc yet you argue the very opposite.

What evidence do you require to make form an opinion? You are not in a court of law, don't worry no-one will be jailed or sanctioned because you articulate your opinion.

 

[Anonymous]

Just a humble and irrelevant pee drinking salad tossing fanboy troll

But geez, its hard to be relevant these days.
You know its true.
Nothing but recycled SSDD.

However, if you get your indictment wish, if your indictment dreams come true, I promise to be more relevant. The "waste of taxpayer money" and "hung jury" reality will become relevent again. The excitement and also the backlash will get this thread up to 50000 by the time the mistrial happens lol.

Actually, I agree with that 100%

 

[Anonymous]

TFF a question about the GJ.

You say they are still sitting. This is like 18 months or so by now. The same people are on it?

I assume it is normal for people that don't work to be on these????? I don't know anybody that could blow off work for 18 months, that had to work in the first place. Is there a law in place that makes employers pay their employees if they are serving on a jury?

That is a question I do not know the answer to. I wish I had time to do some research, but I am buried in reading right now. I mean, I barely have time to troll, so you know my workload is high!

 

[Velodude]

Your conclusion depends upon Armstrong receiving a target letter. You have no evidence of that. So, my hope remains!

A perjury prosecution would make all the doping relevant--even the old Postie stuff. The prosecutor would have Armstrong served up like a frog on paraffin.

Old Postie stuff?

Think also Discovery Channel 2005-2007 owned by the same corporations that owned US Postal cycling team in 2004.

Also think why Popovych, who rode on Discovery 2005-2007, had his Tuscany property raided in November 2010 at the behest of the FDA and the raid revealed PEDs and drug testing documents together with hand written notes from Dr. Ferrari.

And this raid occurred after Popovych, not being a US Postal rider, appeared before the LA Grand Jury. He was served a subpoena while attending a Livestrong charity ride in Austin, Tx.

Also, queries must also be raised why Popovych was not prosecuted for an anti doping violation for being in possession of a prohibited substance out of competition. Did the peloton patron call up same favors?

 

[Cloxxki]

I got a bit of a better idea from this:
http://campus.udayton.edu/~grandjur/fedj/fedj.htm

 

[Polish]

Polish: "Oh, that "walking on the moon" thing again.
Walked on the moon once.
SSDD.
Lance mountain bikes with the man in the moon.
POTUS.
Full moon.
Mooning the haters.
Yelow jerseys, color of the sun.
Seven sun-yellow jerseys.
One,two,three,four,five,six,seven."

You do realize that with the combined mileage of Lance's 13 TdFs he would be able to circumnavigate the moon 3 times? I hope so.

"Oh, but look how fast Lance is climbing up the mountains waa."
Dude, the gravity is not as strong. Sheesh.
You guys never give it a rest.

 

[MarkvW]

It is not argumentative to point out your hypocrisy and inconsistency - you write that you want schadenfreude/justice/punishment etc yet you argue the very opposite.

What evidence do you require to make form an opinion? You are not in a court of law, don't worry no-one will be jailed or sanctioned because you articulate your opinion.

When it comes to what will happen, I'm totally on the fence. I could lay out my thinking, but I don't want to bother for a person who is going to call me a hypocrite over an online Lance Armstrong discussion.

When it comes to what I'd like to happen? I'd like to see Armstrong already stripped of his victories, and all his teams sanctioned and in disgrace. I'd like to see the fallout drastically impact the UCI and force its collapse. After that, I'd like to see a pro cycling circuit run by and for the riders, with profit sharing, with rider control of team management, and some kind of retirement stake. It would still be filthy, probably filthier, but at least the riders wouldn't be exploited so bad. Awwww, cue the music!

 

[Dr. Maserati]

When it comes to what will happen, I'm totally on the fence. I could lay out my thinking, but I don't want to bother for a person who is going to call me a hypocrite over an online Lance Armstrong discussion.

When it comes to what I'd like to happen? I'd like to see Armstrong already stripped of his victories, and all his teams sanctioned and in disgrace. I'd like to see the fallout drastically impact the UCI and force its collapse. After that, I'd like to see a pro cycling circuit run by and for the riders, with profit sharing, with rider control of team management, and some kind of retirement stake. It would still be filthy, probably filthier, but at least the riders wouldn't be exploited so bad. Awwww, cue the music!

Sorry Mark, you already laid out your thinking amongst your 1,000+ posts - it is disjointed, so I was merely seeking clarity and wondering what exactly you expected from visiting an online forum.

BTW - for someone who "is on the fence" you have strong views on what won't happen.

 

[ChrisE]

That is a question I do not know the answer to. I wish I had time to do some research, but I am buried in reading right now. I mean, I barely have time to troll, so you know my workload is high!

When I have jury duty, I get paid. I have never been more than a day because I usually don't get called. The time I did get called I was put on the jury, and elected foreman. It was a speeding ticket lol that somebody decided to fight. We found for the defendant btw. I'm for an autobahn in the US.

But, if I was gone for 18 months I have no idea what happens. I would imagine the company cannot "fire" somebody for doing their civic duty, but I have no idea if they are required to pay salary if it goes on for months.

 

[ChrisE]

I got a bit of a better idea from this:
http://campus.udayton.edu/~grandjur/fedj/fedj.htm

Interesting, thanks.

Did you check out the picture of the grand jury? I didn't know they allowed manatees to serve.

 

[fatandfast]

When it comes to what will happen, I'm totally on the fence. I could lay out my thinking, but I don't want to bother for a person who is going to call me a hypocrite over an online Lance Armstrong discussion.

When it comes to what I'd like to happen? I'd like to see Armstrong already stripped of his victories, and all his teams sanctioned and in disgrace. I'd like to see the fallout drastically impact the UCI and force its collapse. After that, I'd like to see a pro cycling circuit run by and for the riders, with profit sharing, with rider control of team management, and some kind of retirement stake. It would still be filthy, probably filthier, but at least the riders wouldn't be exploited so bad. Awwww, cue the music!

WTF? Have you thought about even a couple of these things on your wish list? Profit sharing??Whaaaat? What high revenue pro sport works like this? A pro bike racing cycling co-op? The profit sharing will start with a certain manx garden gnome. The premier riders would command 95% of any available funds. I can see the lead up to the tour, rider A will not let his name or likeness used in any ads until he gets a huge bonus and guarantee.

It's a good idea to look around and see which millionaire is hobby funding cycling. Green Edge and QuickStep are the new model. Consolidated power in order to control the brand. Just like other big sports names like Yankees or Man U. Not so much turn over in the brand that a fan that owns last years jersey has no connection with what was his or her favorite team. Lotto understands the brand and how people try and follow a team. If every year every team has the potential to be brand new and completely unrecognizable from the previous year the sport is sunk on that alone. Your version of a complete do over and some kind of peace and reconciliation tribunal would be a global cycling disaster.

 

[Velodude]

When I have jury duty, I get paid. I have never been more than a day because I usually don't get called. The time I did get called I was put on the jury, and elected foreman. It was a speeding ticket lol that somebody decided to fight. We found for the defendant btw. I'm for an autobahn in the US.

But, if I was gone for 18 months I have no idea what happens. I would imagine the company cannot "fire" somebody for doing their civic duty, but I have no idea if they are required to pay salary if it goes on for months.

The employer by law cannot fire an employee for attending grand jury duty.

Jurors are protected by Federal Statute, Title 28 USC Section 1875, from being discharged, intimidated, or coerced by a employer because of grand or petit jury service.

Jury members get paid $40 per day and the employers are encouraged to bridge the gap to their normal payment.

With the "Lance Armstrong Investigation" GJ proceedings in Los Angeles they can meet a maximum one day per week, but don't.

That day of the week is known so the venue in LA is staked out by the media for the identities of comings and goings. No reports on wonderboy being in attendance.

In addition journalists from the AP stake out the grand jury room in Los Angeles every Wednesday afternoon so they know who is coming and going and they’ve not reported anybody since last October,” Fabiani said.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-lawyers-ready-for-federal-battle - November 15, 2011

 

[Race Radio]

Six out of ten who doped themselves have also used drugs

Guess that explains the blow....but what about the hookers?

 

[doolols]

You do realize that with the combined mileage of Lance's 13 TdFs he would be able to circumnavigate the moon 3 times? "Oh, but look how fast Lance is climbing up the mountains waa."
Dude, the gravity is not as strong.

Actually, you know, sometimes your posts are kinda amusing.

How many employees, unpaid interns and volunteers are there of you at Joke$trong (™) these days?

 

[doolols]

When it comes to what I'd like to happen? I'd like to see Armstrong already stripped of his victories, and all his teams sanctioned and in disgrace.

Whatever the GJ conclusion, this ain't gonna happen. Prison, maybe.

I'd like to see the fallout drastically impact the UCI and force its collapse.

Hahaha. Ain't gonna happen either. I'm sure the wagons are being circled as we speak, just in case. "Nuttin' to do with us, bud. We had no idea. BTW, have you seen how many people we test for doping? Here's the figures."

After that, I'd like to see a pro cycling circuit run by and for the riders, with profit sharing, with rider control of team management, and some kind of retirement stake. It would still be filthy, probably filthier, but at least the riders wouldn't be exploited so bad.

Sorry. Not this either. Something as enormous has cycling has to have one organisation, with one head, in control. And whoever that is will have their snout in the trough. Hey, what about that lovely Mr. Armstrong for UCI boss?

 

[MacRoadie]

Actually, you know, sometimes your posts are kinda amusing.

How many employees, unpaid interns and volunteers are there of you at Joke$trong (™) these days?

Unfortunately, it takes a little more than a GED and an ability to ride a bike to become an astronaut, so we'll never know.

Being able to train harder than anyone else and possessing a heart three times bigger than normal does help though. Plus, with that huge V02 max, he can hold his breath longer in the event that something goes wrong. Those Apollo 13 guys were pussies.