Official London Olympics Doping thread

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I think recently there certainly have been fast French and Surinam swimmers. I call nonsense on the racial differences as they have been shown to be bunk in most cases I know of.

Painting with broad strokes we have the "imported" black population and the native black population. If we look at them:

Imported:
The whole problem is probably cultural, it's simply not their favorite sport. Ball games and Athletics are swamped with them. Skating, Cycling, Hockey, etc. not so much. However, Shany Davis shows that there really is no reason they can't compete.

Native:
Swimming needs facilities and that remains an issue. Unless a governement decides to go all out and stamp a swimming culture out of the ground I doubt we will see an African swim superpower any day soon. I could be wrong (I actually hope that all sports mondialize further!)

Another big issue is the recurring domestic insecurities in a lot of Africa, which makes the focus on sports for a large part of the continent pretty haphazard. It's not a coincidence that stable Kenya is doing so well in sports.

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... and even there (in Kenya) most people i got to know can´t swim. Not even those living in Mombasa (at the ocean!!). It´s simply a money factor. If the resources were there (science, money, dope programs) the blacks would swim away from everybody, like they do in running. I´ve no doubt about that.

 

[Cloxxki]

In large parts of Africa I can see it possibly being socially not-done to go and use precious water for something as trivial as swimming back and forth in it.

I can see, don't have proof, that specific gravity can be a racial part. And in terms of age, don't we all get denser bones over the years? I am 35 and I sink like a brick. I can totally see that "baby fat" could be less dense, and thus float better.
Side step : there are additives and mexican dishes that make us gassy. Would just 1 liter of gas in the stomach and intestents not greatly improve our ability to float? I'd totally look at that when I were a swimmer. Even might for the odd triathlon I look to do. I sink, badly. Stop swimming and I find the bottom of the pool or lake quickly.

 

[sittingbison]

4 male swimmers bested her time in that last 50 M...

So she beat another four male swimmers over the last 50m. Four of the best eight male IM swimmers in the world

Laughable

 

[King Boonen]

So she beat another four male swimmers over the last 50m. Four of the best eight male IM swimmers in the world

Laughable

This. Take any other sport as a comparison, say the 5000m running. Men's record 12:37, women's 14:11. Or the 100m, men's 9.58, women's 10.49 (which is questioned. Jeter, the next best is 10.64).

In these events a man running the women's record or over would struggle to make the final, I'm certain they wouldn't in the 100, depends on tactics in longer races.

She may be a good freestyle swimmer, but she's obviously not good enough to swim the solo freestyle events (or even the relays?) She wasn't even tying up. It is quiet simply "unbelievable".

 

[DJ Sprtsch]

No reason going into other sports.
The men's world record in 50m freestyle (long course) is 20.91
The women's is 23.73
All according this list over at wikipedia

 

[7_7_7_7]

It will be interesting to see how the Chinese perform in Weightlifting at the 2012 London Olympics. They practically 'dominated' in Beijing in 2008, where they won eight of the fifteen Gold medals on offer. Their tally of eight Gold Medals was almost nine, when one of their competitors won a Silver medal in a separate weight class.

 

[Stingray34]

Magic Mike, German Style

http://au.sports.yahoo.com/news/olympics--cyclists--legs-out-of-this-world.html

Fostermann must wear out the crotch of his pants a lot

 

[7_7_7_7]

Magic Mike, German Style

http://au.sports.yahoo.com/news/olympics--cyclists--legs-out-of-this-world.html

Forstemann's monster thighs are a startling example of the dedication and hard work required to compete at an Olympic level

A startling example of what would seem unatural.

 

[luckyboy]

It's like the media/pundits/Twitter people etc have never heard of undetectable substances (re: Ye Shiwen).

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

This. Take any other sport as a comparison, say the 5000m running. Men's record 12:37, women's 14:11. Or the 100m, men's 9.58 (which is questioned), women's 10.49 (which is questioned. Jeter, the next best is 10.64, which is questioned).

In these events a man running the women's record or over would struggle to make the final, I'm certain they wouldn't in the 100, depends on tactics in longer races.

She may be a good freestyle swimmer, but she's obviously not good enough to swim the solo freestyle events (or even the relays?) She wasn't even tying up. It is quiet simply "unbelievable".

Fixed.....

 

[Bala Verde]

Funny to see how the US and UK media are all reporting about the incredible Chinese swimmer, whose performance is incredibly 'suspicious'. When their own countrymen put in the most incredible performances, they cheer them on as new national heroes.

"Only the the dirty 'other' dopes, we are clean as a whistle."

Some headlines ( I guess they want to make a quick $)

Ye Shiwen: Chinese swimmer denies doping at Olympics - BBC
Ye Shiwen row: IOC says it will catch Olympics drugs cheats - BBC
Ye Shiwen, China's record swimmer, raises doping concerns at Olympics - Denver Post
Ye Shiwen's world record Olympic swim 'disturbing', says top US coach - The Guardian
Ye Shiwen passes WADA tests as BOA chairman Lord Moynihan says speculation - Daily Telegraph
Ye Shiwen's world record Olympic swim: brilliant, or too good to be true? - The Guardian
Ye Shiwen: Skepticism Fair After World-Record Time - Bleacher Report
Ye Shiwen - Was Chinese teen's golden swim too good to be true? - The Indpendent
Chinese swimmer stuns with Lochte-beating split - CNN
Chinese Olympian's world-record swimming performance brings talk of doping - Fox News
London Olympics: US skeptical of Chinese swimmer's performances - LA Times

lol

The Chinese hit back:

'I suspect Phelps': Chinese official hits back over Ye Shiwen speculation - Syndey Morning Herald

 

[King Boonen]

Fixed.....

Are they questioned? The womens record is legitimately questioned due to a broken wind meter. The other two stated are not questioned, except the obvious "it's a record, it must be drug fuelled" as far as I am aware.

 

[D-Queued]

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'I suspect Phelps': Chinese official hits back over Ye Shiwen speculation - Syndey Morning Herald

That is the best they can do?

I suspect Phelps. I suspect Torres. I suspect Bolt. I suspect NBA players. I suspect GB cycling.

Dave.

 

[King Boonen]

Funny to see how the US and UK media are all reporting about the incredible Chinese swimmer, whose performance is incredibly 'suspicious'. When their own countrymen put in the most incredible performances, they cheer them on as new national heroes.

"Only the the dirty 'other' dopes, we are clean as a whistle."

Obvious statement of the week?

She beat four of the best male IM swimmers in the world over that leg, guys you can't claim were slowing down as they were still pushing for a medal. This is "unbelievable".

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Are they questioned? The womens record is legitimately questioned due to a broken wind meter. The other two stated are not questioned, except the obvious "it's a record, it must be drug fuelled" as far as I am aware.

Yes of course, that´s all doping records.
Anyway, the 10.49 of Mr. Florence Grifith-Joyner is a legal mark by I"A"AF standards.

Link: http://www.alltime-athletics.com/w_100ok.htm

 

[King Boonen]

Yes of course, that´s all doping records.
Anyway, the 10.49 of Mr. Florence Grifith-Joyner is a legal mark by I"A"AF standards.

Link: http://www.alltime-athletics.com/w_100ok.htm

So there are no actual, real allegations?

Flo Jo's record is acutally questioned, but I was just making the point that even the fastest time by a woman probably wouldn't get you into the mens final.

http://people.brunel.ac.uk/~spstnpl/BiomechanicsAthletics/WindAssistance.htm

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

So there are no actual, real allegations?

Flo Jo's record is acutally questioned, but I was just making the point that even the fastest time by a woman probably wouldn't get you into the mens final.

http://people.brunel.ac.uk/~spstnpl/BiomechanicsAthletics/WindAssistance.htm

Ok, let´s not talk about that wind record, and let´s go by the dope assisted 10.61...

That wouldn´t even have got you past the heats in the last WC (2011). It would have got you rank 41st out of 55 starters. But it would have beaten times of runners from Bahrein, Nepal, Suriname etc....

In 2012, she would have missed the Top-200 men by 0.30 seconds

 

[poupou]

FINA is not serious on doping testing: by press release, we have known at 2pm the names of the french swimmers who will be tested this evening!

Is it Verbruggen at the head of FINA?

 

[Mellow Velo]

Funny to see how the US and UK media are all reporting about the incredible Chinese swimmer, whose performance is incredibly 'suspicious'. When their own countrymen put in the most incredible performances, they cheer them on as new national heroes.

That is very unfair on the UK.
So far there have been no incredible performances from Team GB.............only crap ones.

 

[D-Queued]

FINA is not serious on doping testing: by press release, we have known at 2pm the names of the french swimmers who will be tested this evening!

Is it Verbruggen at the head of FINA?

Latest News Item:

IOC defends Chinese swim star Ye Shiwen, saying she passed her drug tests

London. The IOC has announced that Ye Shiwen has passed her drug tests. This has come as a great relief to the Chinese swim team, the IOC and Ye Shiwen herself.

"It is with great happiness that I received a gold medal in the doping test," stated Ye Shiwen. "The China doctors are very concerned about making sure I take all of my medications."

Her Head Coach echoed these sentiments. "These are not recreational drugs. We invest a lot of money in our athletes to specialize their programs specifically to attain these results. Our athletes have to keep in mind that there are many Chinese people that do not get a chance to use these medications, and that they are very privileged."

He went on to observe, "We were very pleased when all the drugs that were provided were fully accounted for. We especially appreciate the IOC's cooperation here, knowing how well they have supported drug tests in the past."

"It is not as though we have performed Ye's gender change surgery yet. This is planned for 2016."

"We don't understand why any of the other doped swimmers would have any reason to complain."

Dave.

 

[buckle]

In large parts of Africa I can see it possibly being socially not-done to go and use precious water for something as trivial as swimming back and forth in it.

I can see, don't have proof, that specific gravity can be a racial part. And in terms of age, don't we all get denser bones over the years? I am 35 and I sink like a brick. I can totally see that "baby fat" could be less dense, and thus float better.
Side step : there are additives and mexican dishes that make us gassy. Would just 1 liter of gas in the stomach and intestents not greatly improve our ability to float? I'd totally look at that when I were a swimmer. Even might for the odd triathlon I look to do. I sink, badly. Stop swimming and I find the bottom of the pool or lake quickly.

Don't be around Ye Shiwen when she farts!

 

[hiero2]

I thought it was a bit ironic that the folks calling the Chinese swimmer's performance "possible doping" are doing so simply based on an amazing, "too-good-to-be-true" performance. Which is the only test all us common folk watching from home have, really. Kinda feels validating. At least it got open attention and comments.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Another olympic record for Ye.

 

[D-Queued]

Another olympic record for He.

Better.

Dave.

 

[Bala Verde]

That is very unfair on the UK.
So far there have been no incredible performances from Team GB.............only crap ones.

Lol.

21 is pretty good, sorry

Rank Country Gold Silver Bronze Total
1
People's Republic of China
13 6 4 23
2
United States of America
9 8 6 23
3
France
4 3 4 11
4
Republic of Korea
3 2 3 8
5
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
3 0 1 4
6
Kazakhstan
3 0 0 3
7
Italy
2 4 2 8
8
Germany
2 3 1 6
9
Russian Federation
2 2 4 8
10
South Africa
2 0 0 2
11
Japan
1 4 8 13
12
Australia
1 3 2 6
13
Romania
1 2 2 5
14
Brazil
1 1 1 3
14
Hungary
1 1 1 3
16
Netherlands
1 1 0 2
17
Ukraine
1 0 2 3
18
Georgia
1 0 0 1
18
Lithuania
1 0 0 1
18
Slovenia
1 0 0 1
21
Great Britain
0 2 2 4

PS> as a side note, do the US (media) always tally the total amount of medals to conjure up a ranking, as opposed to the perhaps more commonly accepted (???) medal count that ranks countries based on highest # of gold, then silver, then bronze?