Official London Olympics Doping thread

[Mellow Velo]

She is the reigning Worlds' 200 M IM champion, so no surprises there.

I'm more interested in the performance of the 15 year old Lithuanian girl who smashed the field in the 100M Breast stroke in the heats and Semis. She has emerged virtually from nowhere.

Indeed. Another truly gob smacking performance.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

There aren´t passports or blood tests in athletics & swimming, right?

I think those "journalists" who hack away on cycling & Vino especially, just ride the good old scapegoat business. That takes the attention away from the big picture.

In the past days it was the one black sheep in a sport, to save the whole thing. The new trick is using "lost sports" like cycling (which is actually better than the above mentioned. Just imagine a little chinese boy would drive away from the likes of Wiggins, Evans. That´s actually what happens in the above mentioned sports) and weightlifting as scapegoat... It´s disgusting.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Swimming and athletics have biopassports now.

In the last couple of weeks there were suspensions announced in athletics under there passport scheme (part of the 107 bans trumpeted by WADA)

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

And how do they control in China & Jamaica?

I guess China gives a $hit if the controllers want to take a test on one of those swimmers.

 

[Markyboyzx6r]

my PED highlights of the olympics...

the media sidestepping the issue that yoann blake the fastest man in the world this year and training partner of usain bolt has a drug ban on his record.

watching justin gatlin run faster over 100m than he managed whilst doping and passing every test.

christine ohuruogu winning the 400m despite not running a single world class time in the 2009-2011. there is nothing suspicous about the fact that she foul started in the worlds last year which is almost unheard of in that event and then came back from her winter training camp firing on all cylinders. she definitely didn't false start to avoid running a comically bad which would raise eyebrows when her form picked up.

listening to the dog whistle drug accusations against jessica ennis's eastern european rivals from the commentators who will be simultaneously convinced she is clean as a whistle.

no one asking sir steve redgrave how he managed to win 5 gold medals in rowing before the introduction of epo or hgh testing.

You're absolutely and totally wrong about Redgrave so I'll assume the rest of this post is rubbish too.

 

[Benotti69]

You're absolutely and totally wrong about Redgrave so I'll assume the rest of this post is rubbish too.

why is he wrong about Redgrave?

 

[Cloxxki]

Are those youngsters even tested?
Dutch Skating had a brother and sister dope tested, and lost in court over it. Can only be done with permission of parents, and those (overly agressive and fanatic performance pushers) obviously were not OK with it.

I genuinely would like to know whether tests are at all performed on them, podium or no podium.

 

[Markyboyzx6r]

why is he wrong about Redgrave?

Redgrave never doped. I've been involved in the British rowing scene for 30 years and have known Redgrave for 25 of those. How many years has T_S_A_R been involved in GB Rowing, I ask, that he can make those calls on Redgrave?

 

[Trek1000]

It was her 16 year old training parter that got caught for EPO

 

[Benotti69]

Redgrave never doped. I've been involved in the British rowing scene for 30 years and have known Redgrave for 25 of those. How many years has T_S_A_R been involved in GB Rowing, I ask, that he can make those calls on Redgrave?

You claim!

I wouldn't bet against him having doped, doesn't matter whether you know him or not. To beat the best in the world for 16years is for a long time and against nations that have no problem with PEDs seems 'miraculous' in the least.

There is knowing someone and then there is knowing someone.

 

[JPM London]

She is the reigning Worlds' 200 M IM champion, so no surprises there.

I'm more interested in the performance of the 15 year old Lithuanian girl who smashed the field in the 100M Breast stroke in the heats and Semis. She has emerged virtually from nowhere.

Well, for starters she's 15 - where would she have emerged from? Beijing olympics at 11?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Redgrave never doped. I've been involved in the British rowing scene for 30 years and have known Redgrave for 25 of those. How many years has T_S_A_R been involved in GB Rowing, I ask, that he can make those calls on Redgrave?

Sure, sure. The same argument that Armstrong has. He was so good that he beat the drug cheaters clean. Good for Redgrave he had some real drugged competitors from the east. That make his wins even more impressive.

BTW, Armstrong told Liggett (in the sport for 30+ years) eye-to-eye he never doped.

I am relived now.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

There is knowing someone and then there is knowing someone.

I grew up with my cousin. Knew her very well. In adulthood we spent a fair amount of time together. Imagine the shock I felt some 40 years later when I found out she was an alcoholic.

I'd like to think athletes like Redgrave are clean, but I don't base it on how well anyone knows them. As Foxxy says, lots of people knew and believed in Armstrong.

 

[Benotti69]

I grew up with my cousin. Knew her very well. In adulthood we spent a fair amount of time together. Imagine the shock I felt some 40 years later when I found out she was an alcoholic.

I'd like to think athletes like Redgrave are clean, but I don't base it on how well anyone knows them. As Foxxy says, lots of people knew and believed in Armstrong.

Redgrave is like Indurain, a really really nice guy and we would love to think that these winners are simply nice guys who won, but the reality behind the niceness is they did what they felt was needed to win.

Redgrave is a nice guy, but more than likely also a cheat and a doper.

 

[Markyboyzx6r]

Sure, sure. The same argument that Armstrong has. He was so good that he beat the drug cheaters clean. Good for Redgrave he had some real drugged competitors from the east. That make his wins even more impressive.

BTW, Armstrong told Liggett (in the sport for 30+ years) eye-to-eye he never doped.

I am relived now.

Right, so tell me - what's your experience of GB Rowing? Hmm? Ever been on a GB training camp, ever seen any of their physiological results, ever helped team members (like Redgrave) scrape enough money together between Games to enable them to train properly? Ever actually raced them in competition?

You lot have no idea what you are talking about. None at all. You have no insight into GB Rowing, yet you are quite happy to s*** on our team. I never saw you down at Leander on cold winters mornings yet you somehow know something I didn't see in 20 years in and around elite rowing, nor did I ever even hear rumours about.

Nothing that Redgrave or Pinsent or any of the squad did was out of the norm (ie drug-tainted). They were exceptional athletes right from the start of their careers (Pinsent was beating my scores when he was still at Eton). You name one single performance for which there is any suspicion and I'll put you right on it...

Any performance. Name one.

 

[Benotti69]

Right, so tell me - what's your experience of GB Rowing? Hmm? Ever been on a GB training camp, ever seen any of their physiological results, ever helped team members (like Redgrave) scrape enough money together between Games to enable them to train properly? Ever actually raced them in competition?

You lot have no idea what you are talking about. None at all. You have no insight into GB Rowing, yet you are quite happy to s*** on our team. I never saw you down at Leander on cold winters mornings yet you somehow know something I didn't see in 20 years in and around elite rowing, nor did I ever even hear rumours about.

Nothing that Redgrave or Pinsent or any of the squad did was out of the norm (ie drug-tainted). They were exceptional athletes right from the start of their careers (Pinsent was beating my scores when he was still at Eton). You name one single performance for which there is any suspicion and I'll put you right on it...

Any performance. Name one.

My mate rowed for 15 years and reckoned Redgrave doped. Big deal.

Was rowing stringently tested?

Contador exceptional athlete from young. Still doped though didn't he.

Look at 100 metre sprinting. Alien times, yet very few getting caught.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Redgrave is a nice guy, but more than likely also a cheat and a doper.

There is of course the possibility that he doped but I am interested at what point do you draw the line where someone that is successful is also probably clean? It very easy to just point at anyone and say well he/she was successful so must be doper. At some point there will be someone that was not doping and was successful. Maybe not as successful as they might have been in a clean field, granted but successful nonetheless.

What criteria are you using to cast your aspersions?

 

[Markyboyzx6r]

My mate rowed for 15 years and reckoned Redgrave doped. Big deal.

Was rowing stringently tested?

Contador exceptional athlete from young. Still doped though didn't he.

Look at 100 metre sprinting. Alien times, yet very few getting caught.

Your mate rowed, then? Oh well that certainly trumps my 20 years of training with the GB elite squad for inside knoweldge. Utterly laughable.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

My mate rowed for 15 years and reckoned Redgrave doped.

Sounds like you have the smoking gun there. You should take that evidence to WADA.

 

[Markyboyzx6r]

Sounds like you have the smoking gun there. You should take that evidence to WADA.

Ha ha. Excellent. Put it far better than I could ever hope to.

Andy Holmes used to be a bricklayer between Olympic cycles. Was he buying HGH and steriods on his brickies salary, then. Redgrave once came to our school to coach the juniors. He was paid something like 150 quid for the day. I'm sure he was straight onto the phone to Dr Ferrari with that kind of cash in his pocket.

Oh and Redgrave's PB for 2000m ergo was 5:42 IIRC. Brilliant score but nothing exceptional for 6' 5" and 110kg. But the guy could shift a boat like no one else (bar Pinsent). Rowing is a technical team sport. Cycling is a closed-chain individual sport. So there's your Contador reference blown out the water Benotti.

Rowing also takes place on water. You may have missed that wee detail too.

 

[Benotti69]

Your mate rowed, then? Oh well that certainly trumps my 20 years of training with the GB elite squad for inside knoweldge. Utterly laughable.

No, my mate is no more evidence for doping than some anonymous poster called Markyboyzx6r for clean performance

 

[Benotti69]

Sounds like you have the smoking gun there. You should take that evidence to WADA.

i told my mate to contact WADA. Investigations are allegedly on going.

 

[Markyboyzx6r]

No, my mate is no more evidence for doping than some anonymous poster called Markyboyzx6r for clean performance

So what you're saying is, it's okay to put a drugs slur on Redgraves reputation?

 

[Benotti69]

Ha ha. Excellent. Put it far better than I could ever hope to.

Andy Holmes used to be a bricklayer between Olympic cycles. Was he buying HGH and steriods on his brickies salary, then. Redgrave once came to our school to coach the juniors. He was paid something like 150 quid for the day. I'm sure he was straight onto the phone to Dr Ferrari with that kind of cash in his pocket.

Oh and Redgrave's PB for 2000m ergo was 5:42 IIRC. Brilliant score but nothing exceptional for 6' 5" and 110kg. But the guy could shift a boat like no one else (bar Pinsent). Rowing is a technical team sport. Cycling is a closed-chain individual sport. So there's your Contador reference blown out the water Benotti.

Rowing also takes place on water. You may have missed that wee detail too.

Dont get het up old chap. I am no more inclined to believe an anonlymous someone on a forum who allgedes insider knowledge.

Darryl Webster is not anonymous with his posting so his insider informaton carries weight, not a name taken out of MotorcycleNews. Never liked Kwakas

 

[gustienordic]

I'm more interested in the performance of the 15 year old Lithuanian girl who smashed the field in the 100M Breast stroke in the heats and Semis. She has emerged virtually from nowhere.

At what point does doping become absolutely ridiculous (age-wise)? I'd say 15 is way to early, she is going to be completely messing up her hormones/development.