Official London Olympics Doping thread

[D-Queued]

Add game throwing in Badminton to the cheating at London 2012.

At least they get thrown out quickly.

London 2012: 8 women’s badminton players disqualified; appeal expected

Good on the referees, but hard to believe that subjective assessment could trump objective assessment.

If we could use referees in road cycling, we could already have disqualified Team Sky.

Dave.

 

[the big ring]

oops

 

[will10]

Add game throwing in Badminton to the cheating at London 2012.

At least they get thrown out quickly.

London 2012: 8 women’s badminton players disqualified; appeal expected

Good on the referees, but hard to believe that subjective assessment could trump objective assessment.

If we could use referees in road cycling, we could already have disqualified Team Sky.

Dave.

So were Sky trying to lose the Olympic RR?

 

[the big ring]

I guess getting excluded from the Olympics due to a tweet is not as bad as being arrested for same.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jul/31/teenager-arrested-tweets-tom-daley

A 17-year-old boy arrested as part of an investigation into Twitter messages sent to the diver Tom Daley after he and team-mate Pete Waterfield missed out on a medal on Monday has been issued with a harassment warning.

 

[D-Queued]

So were Sky trying to lose the Olympic RR?

No, just an obvious doping enhanced performance...

Dave.

 

[Markyboyzx6r]

I see Steve Redgrave has commented on Brit gold in the doubles in rowing;



Doping in rowing by Brits, surely not!

From the Guardian;

"relatively new to the sports of which they are now queens, this was their first Olympics; it is also the first time any British women have won a medal in Olympic rowing; and, of course, they won won Great Britain's first gold of London 2012. "

So by inference anytime any commentator uses the word "unbelievable" they mean "doping" then. Even for you, that's a bit of a stretch.

I won't even get into what made the British pair technically superior to the opposition. You've never been a rower so you cannot see the difference in technique between the British and the rest. So the British men's eight running out of puff in the last 500m against the Germans means (in your world) either a. The British weren't doping, or were but badly or b. The Germans had a superior doping programme? You obviously cannot see the fact that the Germans were a much more cohesive unit and rowed with a technique to get the best boat speed and were much more of a singular unit than our crew were?

You can roll your eyes all you want to, but it doesn't get away from the fact that you haven't got a clue what you're talking about. For you, everything is about doping. Like a dog that barks all night.

 

[King Boonen]

So by inference anytime any commentator uses the word "unbelievable" they mean "doping" then. Even for you, that's a bit of a stretch.

I won't even get into what made the British pair technically superior to the opposition. You've never been a rower so you cannot see the difference in technique between the British and the rest. So the British men's eight running out of puff in the last 500m against the Germans means (in your world) either a. The British weren't doping, or were but badly or b. The Germans had a superior doping programme? You obviously cannot see the fact that the Germans were a much more cohesive unit and rowed with a technique to get the best boat speed and were much more of a singular unit than our crew were?

You can roll your eyes all you want to, but it doesn't get away from the fact that you haven't got a clue what you're talking about. For you, everything is about doping. Like a dog that barks all night.

Do you just hang around on here waiting for comments on rowing?

 

[Benotti69]

So by inference anytime any commentator uses the word "unbelievable" they mean "doping" then. Even for you, that's a bit of a stretch.

I won't even get into what made the British pair technically superior to the opposition. You've never been a rower so you cannot see the difference in technique between the British and the rest. So the British men's eight running out of puff in the last 500m against the Germans means (in your world) either a. The British weren't doping, or were but badly or b. The Germans had a superior doping programme? You obviously cannot see the fact that the Germans were a much more cohesive unit and rowed with a technique to get the best boat speed and were much more of a singular unit than our crew were?

<snipped insults>

When a performance is cited as being 'unbelieable', most times it is. But what would Redgrave know?

But as you love your sport, better get you along to the rowing forums for the big love in.

 

[King Boonen]

Do you hang around for every good performance and insinuate doping due to a one eyed doping view?

How anyone can call the the rowers today possible dopers due to Redgrave saying the performance was unbelievable, is talking 100% BS. End of.

I don't believe I said anything about the rowers. I didn't even question the Lithuanian girl in the pool.

 

[Benotti69]

Do you hang around for every good performance and insinuate doping due to a one eyed doping view?

How anyone can call the the rowers today possible dopers due to Redgrave saying the performance was unbelievable, is talking 100% BS. End of.

Where are the dodgy doctors linked with them? People use the link with Leinders and Sky to discuss that suspicion. Using the same critieria witht the rowers you can't join the dots on to possible doping and there is no basis for it. Clutching at straws to try and get a doping discussion going.

I never said they were doping. Dont they teach English in the kingdom?

I made a post that Redgrave pointed out it was 'unbelievable'. Guardian said they were new to the sport.

MarkyKnickersinaKnot said they have been winning all 2012, so why the unbelievable from Redgrave? well Redgrave will tell us in a paper somewhere no doubt or would if someone decent journo asked him.

Amazing that some cant believe that doping is not soley a cycling thing?

 

[Caruut]

For you, everything is about doping. Like a dog that barks all night.

You only know him from a doping forum. What else do you expect?

 

[Caruut]

Do you hang around for every good performance and insinuate doping due to a one eyed doping view?

How anyone can call the the rowers today possible dopers due to Redgrave saying the performance was unbelievable, is talking 100% BS. End of.

Where are the dodgy doctors linked with them? People use the link with Leinders and Sky to discuss that suspicion. Using the same critieria with the rowers you can't join the dots on to possible doping and there is no basis for it. Clutching at straws to try and get a doping discussion going.

Leinders - Leander. The connection is clear.

 

[Benotti69]

You bring up the point that Redgrave said their performance was unbelievable and post it in a doping forum. So you are obviously insinuating doping from Redgrave's response, otherwise why post it here?

Secondly I am not from the UK.

I by posted a comment by Redgrave that might insinuate a performance was 'unbelievable' in a thread named 'Official London Olympics Doping thread'.

The proper place for it.

Rebel County. My mistake or maybe you are from across the border, the Kingdom! I most defo did not mean the UK

 

[AcademyCC]

I by posted a comment by Redgrave that might insinuate a performance was 'unbelievable' in a thread named 'Official London Olympics Doping thread'.

The proper place for it.

Rebel County. My mistake or maybe you are from across the border, the Kingdom! I most defo did not mean the UK

I'd have to back Benotti on this one - its a Olympic doping thread. I think the general idea is to post performances which look fishy then hopefully someone with more knowledge on the particular sport can add info on whether its dubious or not.

 

[D-Queued]

I'd have to back Benotti on this one - its a Olympic doping thread. I think the general idea is to post performances which look fishy then hopefully someone with more knowledge on the particular sport can add info on whether its dubious or not.

Didn't watch the British women, and don't put much stock into Redgrave's comment.

However, there have been positives in Rowing and to suggest that it does not occur is foolish.

As for Marky and his expertise, I have enough broken blades in my garage to have some sense of the sport. I also have very fond memories of the GDR's absolute domination.

Perhaps, as a fan of Redgrave, Marky might consider the previous internationally dominating Mens 4-. This was a crew dubbed the 'Dresden 4' and won everything. The myths about the GDR program were such that our coaches used to tell us that they did all that yet were restricted by training on a course only 1,000 meters (1 km) long (standard race distance is 2k).

You know, the whole they put their pants on two legs at a time.

On a recent trip to Dresden I had a very good laugh. Not only was rowing obviously fully part of the Stasi doping program, accounting for their domination in the '70s and '80s, but you can row for many kilometers in either direction from the boathouses in Dresden. The story was hogwash. Doping won.

Like just about every other sport on the planet, doping has worked and can work in rowing. Simple.

Dave.

 

[Mellow Velo]

So WTF was Redgrave on about. "That was unbelievable"?

Amazingly enough, the adjective has two meanings: the one commonly accepted as a code word for doping in the Clinic and the other, which is extraordinary.
i.e. an unbelievable (extraordinary) athlete.

I doubt Redgrave was expressing the former.

If so, the swimmers are all in deep sh*t.
Every performance has been enthusiastically described as "unbelievable", by the awestruck BBC commentator.

 

[Benotti69]

Amazingly enough, the adjective has two means: the one commonly accepted as a code word for doping in the Clinic and the other, which is extraordinary.
i.e. an unbelievable (extraordinary) athlete.

I doubt Redgrave was expressing the former.

If so, the swimmers are all in deep sh*t.
Every performance has been enthusiastically described as "unbelievable", by the awestruck BBC commentator.

We all know what extraordinary means in modern sport. Don't be so naive Mellow. Every year the performances become unbelievable, records get broken, etc apparently all down to the Science of sport. Well that is true, most of pharmaceutical science.

Why would he be awestruck. He has 5 gold medals?

 

[Benotti69]

It's a big thing because they are the first ever British women rowers to win Olympic Gold.

I was commenting about the below.

Every performance has been enthusiastically described as "unbelievable", by the awestruck BBC commentator.

If they have been winning all year, again why would he be awestruck? Because they beat known doping nations so it was not expected but again they have been beating them all year. So dont get the awestruck bit.

Maybe MV doesn't either anymore.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I think this is the one that's being talk about here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt9W2NnQZQE&feature=player_embedded

 

[D-Queued]

It's a big thing because they are the first ever British women rowers to win Olympic Gold.

Perhaps he didn't know that they even had a women's rowing program.

Dave.

 

[Mellow Velo]

We all know what extraordinary means in modern sport. Don't be so naive Mellow. Every year the performances become unbelievable, records get broken, etc apparently all down to the Science of sport. Well that is true, most of pharmaceutical science.

Why would he be awestruck. He has 5 gold medals?

I won't be so naive, if you won't be so cynical.
I delete that quoted post, since I saw that it had been better answered in technical terms.

As for the Guardian calling them "new", that is factually incorrect.
They have been in that boat for 2 years and were together before that in the 4's.

They broke no records, either.

So, basically, this all boils down to the utterance of "unbelievable".

TBH, I used to visit the Clinic for it's information value. Often the first source for solid doping links, or breaking developments in ongoing stories.
It was tangible.

Now, it's become just a source of constant speculation and wishful thinking.
A way to disguise dissatisfaction with a result, without appearing to be whining.

 

[Benotti69]

I won't be so naive, if you won't be so cynical.
I delete that quoted post, since I saw that it had been better answered in technical terms.

Fair enough.

As for the Guardian calling them "new", that is factually incorrect.
They have been in that boat for 2 years and were together before that in the 4's.

I never called it factual.

They broke no records, either.

I never claimed it either.

So, basically, this all boils down to the utterance of "unbelievable".

TBH, I used to visit the Clinic for it's information value. Often the first source for solid doping links, or breaking developments in ongoing stories.
It was tangible.

Now, it's become just a source of constant speculation and wishful thinking.
A way to disguise dissatisfaction with a result, without appearing to be whining.

It is the Olympic doping thread, where a cynic like me who doesn't believe what i see can post.

Why am i like this? The history of the sporting cheats make me not believe anything, even though i would love to think that they do it with the simple hard work, dedication, mental strength to push themselves further than others along with the talent they were born with.

But i cant, so i posted what i thought was either a stupid comment or a very telling one. Poster could decide. I also found it interesting that the Guardian said they were new to the sport. So i pasted that. I know nothing about rowing except anecdotes from a good friend, but i am not stupid enough to think no one dopes in rowing.

I'll let you and others who know the sport educate me, if you care to do so.

 

[AcademyCC]

since 2004 there have been 16 bans handed out by World rowing for doping.

7 of these Russian inside one year leading to the whole Russian federation being banned for a year and fined - whoops lol. Someone should get them Gert Leinders number.

Apart from that quite a wide array of nations have been involved with doping from Eygpt to Austria.

So it is def going on although no prior British convictions that I could find.

 

[titan31]

Considering everyone went crazy about Ye breaking her PB by a huge margin, Jamieson over the last two days has broken his PB in the 200 breaststroke by 2.4seconds. It's just as impressive as Ye's time imo

 

[King Boonen]

Considering everyone went crazy about Ye breaking her PB by a huge margin, Jamieson over the last two days has broken his PB in the 200 breaststroke by 2.4seconds. It's just as impressive as Ye's time imo

Where is a facepalm smiley when you need one...