Official Valverde thread.

[roundabout]

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It's messages like these that make me lose all sympathy I have for Valverde again:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/valverde-i-never-tested-positive/

**** off Piti

He said "I never tested positive but they decided to sanction me and there you go. I served the ban and since my return the only thing I have done is enjoyed cycling."

I don't see any offense in that. It's the truth. He doesn't even say - here - that he didn't do anything wrong.

But of course Cyclingnews must make such a ridiculous headline.

I see an implication that only a positive test is a sanctionable offense.

 

[tobydawq]

Re: Re:

It's messages like these that make me lose all sympathy I have for Valverde again:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/valverde-i-never-tested-positive/

**** off Piti

He said "I never tested positive but they decided to sanction me and there you go. I served the ban and since my return the only thing I have done is enjoyed cycling."

I don't see any offense in that. It's the truth. He doesn't even say - here - that he didn't do anything wrong.

But of course Cyclingnews must make such a ridiculous headline.

I see an implication that only a positive test is a sanctionable offense.

Yeah, you may be right.

I don't think it was the wisest comment either.

 

[Benotti69]

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Except he's technically correct. He hasn't failed an anti doping test. (LA did and it was covered it). Valverde's issue was having one of his blood bags as part of the group that was taken during the Operation Puerto raid.

We don't know if Vavlerde failed and a test and it was covered up.

I do think cycling was the victim in operation puerto.

 

[70kmph]

6. Presence of EPO
169. At the beginning of the proceedings launched against the Athlete for use of a prohibited
method, UPA-CONI learned that Bag no. 18, which was identified as belonging to the
Athlete, also tested positive for EPO in 2006. Based on this, UPA-CONI then charged the
Athlete with use of a prohibited substance, which the TNA confirmed in its Decision.

https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defa...iles/cas_2009_a_1879_valverde_v_coni_en_0.pdf

 

[Benotti69]

Valverde's blood was tested, it was tested for EPO and it was again tested for his DNA to match CONI's test of Valverde's DNA.

That is at least 3 tests. So yes he was tested and tested positive.

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

Yes,
and we should remember points 177&178 of CAS 2009/A/1879:
177. Lastly, the Panel cannot ignore the statements made by Mr. Manzano (...);
178. In particular, Mr. Manzano stated that each cyclist on the Kelme team (including Mr. Valverde) received a doping treatment program based on his or her own competition schedule, which included the use of doping substances such as EPO and testosterone.
Injections were given directly by Dr. Fuentes during competitions (in hotel rooms where the athletes were staying), or the athletes (such as Mr. Valverde) received pre-filled syringes with which to perform the injections at home during trainings.
According to Mr. Manzano Mr. Valverde received injections of doping substances (such as EPO) on several occasions (for example, when the cyclists were training in Alicante. In addition, on the occasion of Tour od Spain 2003, the cyclists (i.e. Mr. Valverde) also received testosterone patches that they required to wear for a particular period of time (2 hours) in order to avoid a positive test during anti-doping controls.

 

[Tim Booth]

Operation Puerto doping case may be closed without identities of 29 athletes being revealed
16/11/2018
https://as.com/ciclismo/2018/11/15/mas_ciclismo/1542316297_981282.html

 

[GuyIncognito]

DNA of 24 men and 3 women, less than 10 were positively identified by DNA analysis

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

Operation Puerto doping case may be closed without identities of 29 athletes being revealed
16/11/2018
https://as.com/ciclismo/2018/11/15/mas_ciclismo/1542316297_981282.html

Do you have it in English?

 

[samhocking]

Most of it is on https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/...ithout-identities-29-athletes-revealed-400363

 

[Cookster15]

Not surprising but very annoying as no doubt very expensive footballers (soccer) were implicated. Wealthy and powerful sports will continue to think they can manipulate as they please. It will also encourage more such behaviour in the future. Cycling was the fall guy.

 

[Koronin]

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Not surprising but very annoying as no doubt very expensive footballers (soccer) were implicated. Wealthy and powerful sports will continue to think they can manipulate as they please. It will also encourage more such behaviour in the future. Cycling was the fall guy.

I agree with you.

However, why isn't there a separate thread for Operation Puerto? It's bigger than Valverde or cycling.

 

[samhocking]

I couldn't find a thread about Operation Peurto using search or looking back 10 pages in the clinic. I agree, moderators should put these general OP posts in a new/existing thread about it if there is one, not Valverde's.

 

[hrotha]

It's easy:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=31001

 

[samhocking]

How do you get that search page? Search page on my phone only searches contents of posts?

 

[King Boonen]

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How do you get that search page? Search page on my phone only searches contents of posts?

Link:

search.php


Once you use the search bar at the top of the forum you'll get your quick results. Over on the right side of the page is an Advanced Search option.

 

[samhocking]

Thanks. Just checked on Windows/Chrome and there is no Advanced Search, so that's why it's the first i've heard of it I guess. I'll bookmark that url though as very useful. Will save a stack of time.

 

[hrotha]

It's there in the Board index and nowhere else for reasons that escape me.

 

[Koronin]

Glad I'm not the only one that couldn't find one. I agree, I think if a Mod could either move this to an existing one or create a new one that would be great as these general Operation Puerto comments really don't belong in this thread.

 

[wheresmybrakes]

1. Why is this thread on the second page? Hilarious!

2. Has this guy stopped taking the weird and wonderful stuff since he won the jersey because something isn't working. :lol:

3. I've no idea why I'm in the clinic section, there's no beer!

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

He's still 5th on the 2019 CQ ranking. Might finally be his body that starts to decline.

 

[Koronin]

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He's still 5th on the 2019 CQ ranking. Might finally be his body that starts to decline.

A natural decline doesn't happen that fast. There's more to it than just that. If you listen to his comments it's more mental. He won the race he always wanted since he was a young child. After that he's said several times, I just want to enjoy whatever time I have left. He's not trying as hard. It's also very likely the rest of the peloton is getting close to the doping levels of the early 2000's when he started and at 39 he's not willing to go there again.

 

[King Boonen]

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He's still 5th on the 2019 CQ ranking. Might finally be his body that starts to decline.

A natural decline doesn't happen that fast. There's more to it than just that. If you listen to his comments it's more mental. He won the race he always wanted since he was a young child. After that he's said several times, I just want to enjoy whatever time I have left. He's not trying as hard. It's also very likely the rest of the peloton is getting close to the doping levels of the early 2000's when he started and at 39 he's not willing to go there again.

Why is this very likely?

 

[Koronin]

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He's still 5th on the 2019 CQ ranking. Might finally be his body that starts to decline.

A natural decline doesn't happen that fast. There's more to it than just that. If you listen to his comments it's more mental. He won the race he always wanted since he was a young child. After that he's said several times, I just want to enjoy whatever time I have left. He's not trying as hard. It's also very likely the rest of the peloton is getting close to the doping levels of the early 2000's when he started and at 39 he's not willing to go there again.

Why is this very likely?

The way they are racing and numbers and climbing times are in that range and it has that feel to it.

 

[Cookster15]

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He's still 5th on the 2019 CQ ranking. Might finally be his body that starts to decline.

A natural decline doesn't happen that fast. There's more to it than just that. If you listen to his comments it's more mental. He won the race he always wanted since he was a young child. After that he's said several times, I just want to enjoy whatever time I have left. He's not trying as hard. It's also very likely the rest of the peloton is getting close to the doping levels of the early 2000's when he started and at 39 he's not willing to go there again.

Why is this very likely?

The way they are racing and numbers and climbing times are in that range and it has that feel to it.

What climbing times are you referring to?

I don't pay close attention to all the climbs but the Alpe is always a good yardstick because it is usually raced hard. In last year's Tour Sky only managed a relatively pedestrian (compared to early 2000s) 41 minutes on the Alpe despite pulling from the bottom to nullify attacks.

Sorry but I really have a hard time believing that doping today is close to pre passport era.