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I don't want to say "I am not surprised," as I don't know Lochte, and while I have watched interviews that he's done with US media, I can't really judge solely on that (even though he does seem like a 'odd' fellow, a mix of arrogance and a lackadaisical persona), but, I am not surprised in the sense that this was his last Olympics, he wasn't entered in too many events, and as such, probably was more 'laid back' than normal. Especially so once he was finished with his races. As far as age is concerned, sometimes it doesn't matte whether you are a teenage debutant or a 30 something veteran of four Olympics and numerous medals, people will do stupid things. Of course, he's not a 18 or 19 year old freshman college student where he's excited to get out of the pool and go party, but it does appear like he wanted to 'celebrate' done being an Olympian.
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DeGrasse may well be less than clean, but you have to admit, he's absolutely tiny for a sprinter. Very little muscle tone, let alone the tell-tale massive traps and delts of Blake and a few others. Ofc there are plenty of PEDs besides AAS (which I assume you meant by "hot sauce") that can help to a degree and don't have the same effect on musculature.masking_agent said:
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Lochte might have lied about parts of his story but Brazil police also clearly lying. Security tape is clearly cut.
At 6h07 they go in to pee
At 6h09 they come out again and go to the taxi but someone stops the taxi from leaving
Then at 6h12 they get out of the taxi and one of the swimmers has both hands up.
Looks to me like there was indeed a pointed gun involved. Quite the overreaction to pull your gun for some guys who pissed against a wall
At 6h07 they go in to pee
At 6h09 they come out again and go to the taxi but someone stops the taxi from leaving
Then at 6h12 they get out of the taxi and one of the swimmers has both hands up.
Looks to me like there was indeed a pointed gun involved. Quite the overreaction to pull your gun for some guys who pissed against a wall
Not really doping but might helps in understanding the motive,s ...
be interested to hear some views.
The Olympics.
Why they matter so much to the "elite " and" The State " is
so keen to promote the Olympics? ..
There are two aspects to this.. and unless your own of those people that refuse to accept that they and everyone is manipulate by The State be it the government or its owners in business then it impossible to refute. If you are one of those people then explain "marketing" to me and how you and if not you then most everyone else around you and thus still you (even if its, sadly oft made you feel like an " outsider".
You may choose not to buy a TV but you cant escape its effects.
Part 1
The commercial aspect...The Olympics are the biggest Branding event that exists. Only the biggest of corporations eat at the top table.
Mc Donalds, Coca Cola, Sony...the very biggest brands.
But there,s no billboards you might argue. Doesnt need to be...There own advertising budget pays for the right to state " Official Olympic Partner"..Thus they are a business of the "highest moral standing"..that of the Olympic Ideal ....( kinda amusing eh? )
Then they are the equipment makers ...the road races were dominated by around 5 or 6 different makes with Specialized/ Trek being the most plentiful.. In the 70,s and 80,s there would have been possibly as many as 50 or so different makes of machine. Most being from very small firms making bespoke cycles.
In 1984 I was a member of the British Olympic team..at the games a rep from Adidas invited pretty much ever athlete there to take , free of charge there shoes. Only those on a deal elsewhere said no.
It cannot have escaped anyone attention that Nike shoes...in only a couple of different colours dominate .Nike is everywhere at the games..it just a tick..cus symbols work even better than words..
" The Future is Orange"...campaign...remember that ?...for a long time they never even mentioned it was a phone company!...
And how well did that work!!!.
.There is a global audience for the Olympics estimated at 4.8 Billion people!...only The World Cup comes close in reach .
So why does it have such an effect and why are governments so keen to support it?
Part 2
This is were you need to scratch your head and understand some philosophy/ psychology . Übermenschis a concept in the philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche.
Übermensch or "Super Man " and the appeal of striving to be "super human" to the collective psychology..to always be striving for "better"...
From a marketing aspect , be it Product or a governments way of influencing and manipulating cultural " norms" both as consumers and as "patriots" understanding .
Since the dawn of the 20th century, the philosophy of Nietzsche has had great intellectual and political influence around the world.
Arguably the entire last 150 plus years has belonged to Nietzsche and his understandings and how those have been used to shape and mold societies.
For two solid weeks every four years The State...meaning pretty much every country on the planet gets to literally bombard the public with " the message"..and its further milked before and after with the Olympic Cycle.
What few ever seem to grasp is that the IOC is a business ran along the lines of a gentleman's club ..you get invited in or you buy in but what your not is elected by the public.
Any way peeps...carry on , see it for what it is ...
and remember Super Man is not real.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cbermensch
be interested to hear some views.
The Olympics.
Why they matter so much to the "elite " and" The State " is
so keen to promote the Olympics? ..
There are two aspects to this.. and unless your own of those people that refuse to accept that they and everyone is manipulate by The State be it the government or its owners in business then it impossible to refute. If you are one of those people then explain "marketing" to me and how you and if not you then most everyone else around you and thus still you (even if its, sadly oft made you feel like an " outsider".
You may choose not to buy a TV but you cant escape its effects.
Part 1
The commercial aspect...The Olympics are the biggest Branding event that exists. Only the biggest of corporations eat at the top table.
Mc Donalds, Coca Cola, Sony...the very biggest brands.
But there,s no billboards you might argue. Doesnt need to be...There own advertising budget pays for the right to state " Official Olympic Partner"..Thus they are a business of the "highest moral standing"..that of the Olympic Ideal ....( kinda amusing eh? )
Then they are the equipment makers ...the road races were dominated by around 5 or 6 different makes with Specialized/ Trek being the most plentiful.. In the 70,s and 80,s there would have been possibly as many as 50 or so different makes of machine. Most being from very small firms making bespoke cycles.
In 1984 I was a member of the British Olympic team..at the games a rep from Adidas invited pretty much ever athlete there to take , free of charge there shoes. Only those on a deal elsewhere said no.
It cannot have escaped anyone attention that Nike shoes...in only a couple of different colours dominate .Nike is everywhere at the games..it just a tick..cus symbols work even better than words..
" The Future is Orange"...campaign...remember that ?...for a long time they never even mentioned it was a phone company!...
And how well did that work!!!.
.There is a global audience for the Olympics estimated at 4.8 Billion people!...only The World Cup comes close in reach .
So why does it have such an effect and why are governments so keen to support it?
Part 2
This is were you need to scratch your head and understand some philosophy/ psychology . Übermenschis a concept in the philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche.
Übermensch or "Super Man " and the appeal of striving to be "super human" to the collective psychology..to always be striving for "better"...
From a marketing aspect , be it Product or a governments way of influencing and manipulating cultural " norms" both as consumers and as "patriots" understanding .
Since the dawn of the 20th century, the philosophy of Nietzsche has had great intellectual and political influence around the world.
Arguably the entire last 150 plus years has belonged to Nietzsche and his understandings and how those have been used to shape and mold societies.
For two solid weeks every four years The State...meaning pretty much every country on the planet gets to literally bombard the public with " the message"..and its further milked before and after with the Olympic Cycle.
What few ever seem to grasp is that the IOC is a business ran along the lines of a gentleman's club ..you get invited in or you buy in but what your not is elected by the public.
Any way peeps...carry on , see it for what it is ...
and remember Super Man is not real.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cbermensch
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Indian wrestler Narsingh Yadav has been given a four-year doping ban after the World Anti-Doping Agency won its appeal against his earlier exoneration.
An Indian anti-doping disciplinary panel had ruled earlier this month that Yadav was a victim of “sabotage”, and cleared him to compete in Rio. Freestyle wrestling starts on Friday.
Wada filed an urgent application before Cas to challenge the decision to exonerate Yadav following two positive anti-doping tests in June and July.
“The Cas panel did not accept the argument of the athlete that he was the victim of sabotage and noted that there was no evidence that he bore no fault, nor that the anti-doping rule violation was not intentional,” Cas said on Thursday.
An Indian anti-doping disciplinary panel had ruled earlier this month that Yadav was a victim of “sabotage”, and cleared him to compete in Rio. Freestyle wrestling starts on Friday.
Wada filed an urgent application before Cas to challenge the decision to exonerate Yadav following two positive anti-doping tests in June and July.
“The Cas panel did not accept the argument of the athlete that he was the victim of sabotage and noted that there was no evidence that he bore no fault, nor that the anti-doping rule violation was not intentional,” Cas said on Thursday.
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High standard in the shot put so far. If they keep improving, the Olympic record (22.47) could go - set at Seoul by East German Ulf Timmermann
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Yep, it's gone - 22.52 for Crouser, who's absolutely crushing them. Puts him joint-10th on the all time list
Err, I guess he's young...that might be a reason...I guess
Bwlch y Groes said:
Yep, it's gone - 22.52 for Crouser, who's absolutely crushing them. Puts him joint-10th on the all time list
Err, I guess he's young...that might be a reason...I guess
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Really? You don't have a problem with an athlete who is banned from competing in the Olympics for her (or her country's) doping issues, sitting on any kind of IOC commission?! :surprised:
In that case, Michele Ferrari should be a WADA commissioner........
BullsFan22 said:
Really? You don't have a problem with an athlete who is banned from competing in the Olympics for her (or her country's) doping issues, sitting on any kind of IOC commission?! :surprised:
In that case, Michele Ferrari should be a WADA commissioner........
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:lol: :lol: He certainly has a lot of experience in that field.
mike75 said:BullsFan22 said:
Really? You don't have a problem with an athlete who is banned from competing in the Olympics for her (or her country's) doping issues, sitting on any kind of IOC commission?! :surprised:
In that case, Michele Ferrari should be a WADA commissioner........
:lol: :lol: He certainly has a lot of experience in that field.
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Atlanta: 5-6-6 (17)
Sydney: 3-3-5 (11)
Athens: 3-11-6 (20)
Beijing: 5-10-3 (18)
London: 3-10-4 (17)
Rio: 5-2-3 (10)
(At this point of the competition in London, the medal count was similar)
I don't see much of a difference to be honest, other than in track & field where Spain has been terrible for over a decade.
Medals won by Spain at the Olympics after Barcelona:sniper said:
Atlanta: 5-6-6 (17)
Sydney: 3-3-5 (11)
Athens: 3-11-6 (20)
Beijing: 5-10-3 (18)
London: 3-10-4 (17)
Rio: 5-2-3 (10)
(At this point of the competition in London, the medal count was similar)
I don't see much of a difference to be honest, other than in track & field where Spain has been terrible for over a decade.
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Her doping issues? She's never been accused, never had a suspicious test, nor has she actually failed a test, and she's competed at this discipline (high jump) as long as anyone else.
Guilt by association is lazy and borderline xenophobic.
Putting a blanket ban on an entire country, particularly when it's hardly the only country that has a doping problem, is political to say the least. Considering the current political climate, to suggest anything else would be ignorant. Sorry for that word, but it's true. And if your only issue with doping is 'well it's state sponsored,' then that's redundant and nauseating too, particularly as it's been proven that US authorities have in recent past swept away hundreds of doping tests and let hundreds of dopers compete and get medals at the Olympics and other major championships. Spain has done nothing either, as another example. They've covered up as well and exonerated a lot of cheats. Heck, there's been hardly any investigation. They briefly looked at Operacion Puerto in 2006 and hardly did anything since. Choosing instead for the statute of limitations to run out, conveniently, and give all the dopers a pass. Why haven't those two countries been sanctioned and/or banned? Why are Jamaicans and Kenyans still allowed to take part in Rio, after all the recent months/years of doping issues and lack of testing controls? Didn't WADA have them both on non-compliant list?
But someone will probably reply and say it's 'a straw man' argument.
mike75 said:BullsFan22 said:
Really? You don't have a problem with an athlete who is banned from competing in the Olympics for her (or her country's) doping issues, sitting on any kind of IOC commission?! :surprised:
In that case, Michele Ferrari should be a WADA commissioner........
Her doping issues? She's never been accused, never had a suspicious test, nor has she actually failed a test, and she's competed at this discipline (high jump) as long as anyone else.
Guilt by association is lazy and borderline xenophobic.
Putting a blanket ban on an entire country, particularly when it's hardly the only country that has a doping problem, is political to say the least. Considering the current political climate, to suggest anything else would be ignorant. Sorry for that word, but it's true. And if your only issue with doping is 'well it's state sponsored,' then that's redundant and nauseating too, particularly as it's been proven that US authorities have in recent past swept away hundreds of doping tests and let hundreds of dopers compete and get medals at the Olympics and other major championships. Spain has done nothing either, as another example. They've covered up as well and exonerated a lot of cheats. Heck, there's been hardly any investigation. They briefly looked at Operacion Puerto in 2006 and hardly did anything since. Choosing instead for the statute of limitations to run out, conveniently, and give all the dopers a pass. Why haven't those two countries been sanctioned and/or banned? Why are Jamaicans and Kenyans still allowed to take part in Rio, after all the recent months/years of doping issues and lack of testing controls? Didn't WADA have them both on non-compliant list?
But someone will probably reply and say it's 'a straw man' argument.
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Oh, duh. Well that pretty much disqualifies me from ever posting here, again! Thanks for the catch. Of course I knew that, but even geniuses are allowed an occasional blunder :lol:
The Hitch said:Its Pole vault
Oh, duh. Well that pretty much disqualifies me from ever posting here, again! Thanks for the catch. Of course I knew that, but even geniuses are allowed an occasional blunder :lol:
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Be that as it may (and I don't disagree that the focus on Russia in recent months has, effectively, taken the focus of others), the facts are that she's recently been banned from competition.
That she, or anyone else, could be elected to an IOC position whilst being under a ban is ludicrous. How are we supposed to take such an organization seriously?
BullsFan22 said:mike75 said:BullsFan22 said:
Really? You don't have a problem with an athlete who is banned from competing in the Olympics for her (or her country's) doping issues, sitting on any kind of IOC commission?! :surprised:
In that case, Michele Ferrari should be a WADA commissioner........
Her doping issues? She's never been accused, never had a suspicious test, nor has she actually failed a test, and she's competed at this discipline (high jump) as long as anyone else.
Guilt by association is lazy and borderline xenophobic.
Putting a blanket ban on an entire country, particularly when it's hardly the only country that has a doping problem, is political to say the least. Considering the current political climate, to suggest anything else would be ignorant. Sorry for that word, but it's true. And if your only issue with doping is 'well it's state sponsored,' then that's redundant and nauseating too, particularly as it's been proven that US authorities have in recent past swept away hundreds of doping tests and let hundreds of dopers compete and get medals at the Olympics and other major championships. Spain has done nothing either, as another example. They've covered up as well and exonerated a lot of cheats. Heck, there's been hardly any investigation. They briefly looked at Operacion Puerto in 2006 and hardly did anything since. Choosing instead for the statute of limitations to run out, conveniently, and give all the dopers a pass. Why haven't those two countries been sanctioned and/or banned? Why are Jamaicans and Kenyans still allowed to take part in Rio, after all the recent months/years of doping issues and lack of testing controls? Didn't WADA have them both on non-compliant list?
But someone will probably reply and say it's 'a straw man' argument.
Be that as it may (and I don't disagree that the focus on Russia in recent months has, effectively, taken the focus of others), the facts are that she's recently been banned from competition.
That she, or anyone else, could be elected to an IOC position whilst being under a ban is ludicrous. How are we supposed to take such an organization seriously?
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She is not banned: her national team was disqualified from one event.
After Steve Hounard and Sylvain George had positives, AG2R were not allowed (per MPCC) to compete in the 2013 Dauphiné: would you say that Carlos Betancur was "under a ban" in 2013?
simoni said:
She is not banned: her national team was disqualified from one event.
After Steve Hounard and Sylvain George had positives, AG2R were not allowed (per MPCC) to compete in the 2013 Dauphiné: would you say that Carlos Betancur was "under a ban" in 2013?
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She's banned from competition by the IAAF, don't confuse things. The IOC can't simply overturn decisions from the federations to which the athletes belong, they (the federations) are responsible for their own decisions.
If FINA had decided for some arbitrary reason that USA swimmers were not allowed to compete in Rio, they wouldn't, and that wouldn't stop Phelps to become part of the IOC.
simoni said:
She's banned from competition by the IAAF, don't confuse things. The IOC can't simply overturn decisions from the federations to which the athletes belong, they (the federations) are responsible for their own decisions.
If FINA had decided for some arbitrary reason that USA swimmers were not allowed to compete in Rio, they wouldn't, and that wouldn't stop Phelps to become part of the IOC.
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and it doesn't appear you have to spend all that time in the weight room if you're a 100m/200m runner as Andre de Grasse has shown. He's a lot less developed than the field and I was shocked he could not only keep up but almost win. His arms are pipe cleaners compared to the rest of the field. I'm interested to see his build in 4 years in Tokyo as well as what his coaches Dan Pfaff and Stuart Macmillan do for him. They covered Donovan Bailey up in a shroud of protection for his "clean 1996" gold medal when he beat Michael Johnson who was doped to the gills. Any thoughts ?
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Actually, Donovan Bailey beat Frank Fredericks, who was second and Ato Boldon, who was third to claim his gold medal in the 100 metres at the 1996 Summer Olympics in Atlanta. Michael Johnson did not run in the 100 metres. He won gold in the 200 and 400 metres in Atlanta in 1996.
masking_agent said:
Actually, Donovan Bailey beat Frank Fredericks, who was second and Ato Boldon, who was third to claim his gold medal in the 100 metres at the 1996 Summer Olympics in Atlanta. Michael Johnson did not run in the 100 metres. He won gold in the 200 and 400 metres in Atlanta in 1996.
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Then they did that gawd-awful 150m 'made for TV race' to determine the biggest doper (i.e. fastest man alive).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFcjJezL7lo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFcjJezL7lo
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