Paolini positive for cocaine

[Flamin]

Animo Luca hopefully he gets cleared somehow.

 

[TMP402]

I doubt he did it during the TDF, he's a party man and he got unlucky with the trace left in his system.

 

[Benotti69]

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party in winter, take cocaine

blood tranfusion in tdf with cocaine in blood from that winter.. oops, forgotten

Good call. Most likely...

Anyway, why do the testers waste their energy & money to test for coke? What fools are at work there?
If there is any guy with common sense at the anti doping agencies: The heck tell them idiots around you to use all the sources to go after real doping (like transfusions, Epo...).
Another case of people having reached their level of incompetence. Oh my...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle

Obviously has too much money.

“Cocaine is God's way of telling you you are making too much money.” ― Robin Williams

Paolini the fool here, no one else. Hardly a waste to test for it if they catch athletes taking it.

If it was used at a party in winter then reinfused with a blood bag, great he has been caught doping, if it is part of a PED cocktail, great he has been caught doping.......

 

[BlackWhiteEagle]

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I doubt he did it during the TDF, he's a party man and he got unlucky with the trace left in his system.

Cocaine party less than a week before TdF? Great idea.

 

[TMP402]

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I doubt he did it during the TDF, he's a party man and he got unlucky with the trace left in his system.

Cocaine party less than a week before TdF? Great idea.

Well a link that was posted on the last page said cocaine + alcohol = 26 days.

 

[carton]

Come on, I know this is a cycling forum but no one suggesting the Gasquet defense? I'm disappointed. It is a bona fide, CAS approved, get-out-of-jail-free card. Just blame it on some debaucherous foreign girl, Luca. Or even better, a greek girl. In the current European political climate that goes down like, well..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/usopen/6115999/US-Open-Richard-Gasquet-puts-Cocaine-Kiss-saga-behind-him.html

 

[markene2]

On a more serrious note, no sane athlete would take Cocaine during a bike race, simply because the chances you forget to eat while on it, it's similar to methamphetamines in the regard to hunger, thats coming from personal experience. I just cannot understand why anyone would willingly take it at the Tour, or any sporting event. So as Dekker said in this thread, seems like a BB bag from the off season.

Though i understand if you take it in the off-season at a party, you become the most cocky *** and have no problems getting chicks home..

 

[Merckx index]

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basically 4-10 days but if he was really partying with alcohol and other stuff maybe a month. He always struck me as a bit of an odd character.

Right. One plausible scenario is that he was aware of roughly how long he would be positive after taking the cocaine, but was not aware that also drinking at the same time would greatly extend the glow time. I tend to doubt the transfusion scenario, because he surely would not transfuse while high on coke. He might do it the next day, but by that time the metabolite concentration in his blood would be quite a bit lower.

Let's also not forgot that most money contains traces of cocaine. If he had just been given a new contract, all in cash, and he was counting the bills to make sure it was the right amount...

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

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party in winter, take cocaine

blood tranfusion in tdf with cocaine in blood from that winter.. oops, forgotten

Good call. Most likely...

Anyway, why do the testers waste their energy & money to test for coke? What fools are at work there?
If there is any guy with common sense at the anti doping agencies: The heck tell them idiots around you to use all the sources to go after real doping (like transfusions, Epo...).
Another case of people having reached their level of incompetence. Oh my...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle

Obviously has too much money.

“Cocaine is God's way of telling you you are making too much money.” ― Robin Williams

Paolini the fool here, no one else. Hardly a waste to test for it if they catch athletes taking it.

If it was used at a party in winter then reinfused with a blood bag, great he has been caught doping, if it is part of a PED cocktail, great he has been caught doping.......

Let´s assume he did took blood out when coke was still in his body from a winter party... UCI still doesn´t have a case (of blood manipulation) > Coke test useless & thus waste of money

Let´s assume he did took a PED cocktail with coke in it... UCI still doesn´t have a case (of PED use) > Coke test useless & thus waste of money

 

[Flamin]

Are some of you actually serious with this blood bag nonsense? Even I could have done what Luca did so far this Tour, riding at the back of the pack all day and getting dropped whenever the speed went up. Why waste a blood bag you have been saving for 6 months for that?

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

party in winter, take cocaine

blood tranfusion in tdf with cocaine in blood from that winter.. oops, forgotten

Good call. Most likely...

Anyway, why do the testers waste their energy & money to test for coke? What fools are at work there?
If there is any guy with common sense at the anti doping agencies: The heck tell them idiots around you to use all the sources to go after real doping (like transfusions, Epo...).
Another case of people having reached their level of incompetence. Oh my...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle

Obviously has too much money.

“Cocaine is God's way of telling you you are making too much money.” ― Robin Williams

Paolini the fool here, no one else. Hardly a waste to test for it if they catch athletes taking it.

If it was used at a party in winter then reinfused with a blood bag, great he has been caught doping, if it is part of a PED cocktail, great he has been caught doping.......

Let´s assume he did took blood out when coke was still in his body from a winter party... UCI still doesn´t have a case (of blood manipulation) > Coke test useless & thus waste of money

Let´s assume he did took a PED cocktail with coke in it... UCI still doesn´t have a case (of PED use) > Coke test useless & thus waste of money

Whooosh....

Doper caught for doping. End of.

 

[BlackWhiteEagle]

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I doubt he did it during the TDF, he's a party man and he got unlucky with the trace left in his system.

Cocaine party less than a week before TdF? Great idea.

Well a link that was posted on the last page said cocaine + alcohol = 26 days.

If he was tested for the metabolythe I would agree, but if it was cocaine itself it would mean that he did it shortly before or during TdF.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

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party in winter, take cocaine

blood tranfusion in tdf with cocaine in blood from that winter.. oops, forgotten

Good call. Most likely...

Anyway, why do the testers waste their energy & money to test for coke? What fools are at work there?
If there is any guy with common sense at the anti doping agencies: The heck tell them idiots around you to use all the sources to go after real doping (like transfusions, Epo...).
Another case of people having reached their level of incompetence. Oh my...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle

Obviously has too much money.

“Cocaine is God's way of telling you you are making too much money.” ― Robin Williams

Paolini the fool here, no one else. Hardly a waste to test for it if they catch athletes taking it.

If it was used at a party in winter then reinfused with a blood bag, great he has been caught doping, if it is part of a PED cocktail, great he has been caught doping.......

Let´s assume he did took blood out when coke was still in his body from a winter party... UCI still doesn´t have a case (of blood manipulation) > Coke test useless & thus waste of money

Let´s assume he did took a PED cocktail with coke in it... UCI still doesn´t have a case (of PED use) > Coke test useless & thus waste of money

Whooosh....

Doper caught for doping. End of.

OK, end of... one last question: What is performance enhancing taking cocaine? And if it is, why not taking something that can´t be tested for?

Doper not caught doping, but partying. End of.

 

[Benotti69]

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Are some of you actually serious with this blood bag nonsense? Even I could have done what Luca did so far this Tour, riding at the back of the pack all day and getting dropped whenever the speed went up. Why waste a blood bag you have been saving for 6 months for that?

Please dont make the old tired BS argument that riders at the back of the peloton don't dope. They do.

 

[Benotti69]

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Good call. Most likely...

Anyway, why do the testers waste their energy & money to test for coke? What fools are at work there?
If there is any guy with common sense at the anti doping agencies: The heck tell them idiots around you to use all the sources to go after real doping (like transfusions, Epo...).
Another case of people having reached their level of incompetence. Oh my...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle

Obviously has too much money.

“Cocaine is God's way of telling you you are making too much money.” ― Robin Williams

Paolini the fool here, no one else. Hardly a waste to test for it if they catch athletes taking it.

If it was used at a party in winter then reinfused with a blood bag, great he has been caught doping, if it is part of a PED cocktail, great he has been caught doping.......

Let´s assume he did took blood out when coke was still in his body from a winter party... UCI still doesn´t have a case (of blood manipulation) > Coke test useless & thus waste of money

Let´s assume he did took a PED cocktail with coke in it... UCI still doesn´t have a case (of PED use) > Coke test useless & thus waste of money

Whooosh....

Doper caught for doping. End of.

OK, end of... one last question: What is performance enhancing taking cocaine? And if it is, why not taking something that can´t be tested for?

Doper not caught doping, but partying. End of.

Cocaine has been used as a PED as far back as 1876.

He got popped for cocaine during the TdF = doping. End of.

I don't really care for why he had cocaine in his system, but he did and lets hope a 4 year ban, but the UCI probably will accept some BS Gasquet, Impey BS excuse............

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYpmaKrUAfs

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Cocaine has been used as a PED as far back as 1876.

He got popped for cocaine during the TdF = doping. End of.

I don't really care for why he had cocaine in his system, but he did and lets hope a 4 year ban, but the UCI probably will accept some BS Gasquet, Impey BS excuse............

3 months max hopefully. I mean if you get caught driving 200 under alcohol, it´s different than being caught driving 70 sober...

 

[Benotti69]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpLV0cLsplA

Probably out partying with all these Colombians that are racing in Europe............

 

[carton]

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Are some of you actually serious with this blood bag nonsense? Even I could have done what Luca did so far this Tour, riding at the back of the pack all day and getting dropped whenever the speed went up. Why waste a blood bag you have been saving for 6 months for that?

Please dont make the old tired BS argument that riders at the back of the peloton don't dope. They do.

He's not. He's saying he wouldn't be wasting blood bags so early. Not a bulletproof defense, but not ridiculous either.

But yeah I'd disagree. For a GC rider, maybe. But for Paolini Stage 4 with the cobbles might be one (maybe even the one) you'd want a little extra oomph for.

 

[Flamin]

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Are some of you actually serious with this blood bag nonsense? Even I could have done what Luca did so far this Tour, riding at the back of the pack all day and getting dropped whenever the speed went up. Why waste a blood bag you have been saving for 6 months for that?

Please dont make the old tired BS argument that riders at the back of the peloton don't dope. They do.

Where did I say that? Obviously Luca is a doper, but the blood bag theory doesn't make sense at all.

 

[carton]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpLV0cLsplA

Probably out partying with all these Colombians that are racing in Europe............

Hate that you can't put video links on this forum:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJM8yJTn_I0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_prevalence_of_cocaine_use

Actually that seriously under-reports France, among others:

http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/countries/france

 

[Benotti69]

Luca Paolini might need blood bags for GTs. His body might not take the day after day abuse of a GT hence the need for a blood bag!

Check out how many Cipollini was doing and he wasn't even finishing GTs.

 

[ToreBear]

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basically 4-10 days but if he was really partying with alcohol and other stuff maybe a month. He always struck me as a bit of an odd character.

Right. One plausible scenario is that he was aware of roughly how long he would be positive after taking the cocaine, but was not aware that also drinking at the same time would greatly extend the glow time. I tend to doubt the transfusion scenario, because he surely would not transfuse while high on coke. He might do it the next day, but by that time the metabolite concentration in his blood would be quite a bit lower.

Let's also not forgot that most money contains traces of cocaine. If he had just been given a new contract, all in cash, and he was counting the bills to make sure it was the right amount...

That only applies to your dirty American imperialist Dollars. Our pure European Socialist money is free from such signs of sinful living.

 

[Benotti69]

Italian water scientists found huge levels of cocaine in the river Po in Italy in 2005. They reckon so much was being taken in Italy that when people urinate it contaminates the river.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4746787.stm

 

[ToreBear]

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Italian water scientists found huge levels of cocaine in the river Po in Italy in 2005. They reckon so much was being taken in Italy that when people urinate it contaminates the river.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4746787.stm

That means Luca is innocent. He just happened to fill up his bidon in the wrong place.