Paolini positive for cocaine

[LaFlorecita]

Friday night? Just saying.

 

[meat puppet]

echo positive from a bloodbag would seem most likely to me.

but why not, maybe they decided to have awesome time at the tour?

 

[glassmoon]

traces could be from blood bag. drug is supposed to be short term stimulant and he with Kristoff have been superior during the spring short term races. haven't they?

 

[hrotha]

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TheRaceRadio says

if it was from prior use he would also have been positive in the Pre-Tour check every rider has

now that Lance is done, RR has regained faith in the testing system.

If you weren't so biased against RR, you'd realize what he's saying makes perfect sense. Cocaine is easy to detect. He had enough cocaine in his system to trip the wire on July 7th. If he had used it before the start of the Tour (without getting it through a blood bag), he'd have had even more cocaine in his body, which means he'd have tested positive that much more easily in the identical pre-Tour test.

Thus, Paolini either used it during the Tour itself (positive right after the cobbles, a key stage), or he got it from a blood bag. The reasoning is sound.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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TheRaceRadio says

if it was from prior use he would also have been positive in the Pre-Tour check every rider has

now that Lance is done, RR has regained faith in the testing system.

If you weren't so biased against RR, you'd realize what he's saying makes perfect sense. Cocaine is easy to detect. He had enough cocaine in his system to trip the wire on July 7th. If he had used it before the start of the Tour (without getting it through a blood bag), he'd have had even more cocaine in his body, which means he'd have tested positive that much more easily in the identical pre-Tour test.

Thus, Paolini either used it during the Tour itself (positive right after the cobbles, a key stage), or he got it from a blood bag. The reasoning is sound.

Pre-Tour tests are on Thursday right? He could have used it on Friday. Stupid but maybe he thought the chance to get tested in the first few days was small.

 

[hrotha]

True, but then wouldn't that already be considered in-competition?

 

[Quantumsoda]

Tom Boonen & Eddy Planckaert were guests in Vive le Vélo (evening's post-race talk @ Sporza) on july 7th in Cambrai..

 

[pastronef]

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TheRaceRadio says

if it was from prior use he would also have been positive in the Pre-Tour check every rider has

edited

sorry, I meant he said it on twitter

https://twitter.com/TheRaceRadio/status/619708590992027648

 

[EarnstMorrissey]

I heard he ate a steak that was butchered and prepared in Spain. Apparently they're claiming the butcher mixed up his salt for blow while seasoning.

 

[veganrob]

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Bye Bye.

And yes its a stimulant. Probably more for short term events, but that is why it is on the WADA list.

Pot Belge contains cocaine, and that obviously has a history in cycling.

If B sample is positive this should be a straight forward 4 year ban.

Pot Belge also contains heroin and you're not going to persuade me that that anyone would take heroin as a PED in this day and age.

Why not? Its been used for tears. Opiates in the correct doses can have very good results as a PED. Especially when mixed in with a cocktail of drugs.
Example. I had some serious back issues years back and was given Codeine for pain. If I drank a couple beers along with that I felt absolutely no pain and was wired to do whatever I wanted. And was sharp. Most other people would be fast asleep. Drugs do affect people differently

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

Just for reference regarding time frame defining "in-competition".

In WADA guidelines, the in-competition period is listed as being up to the individual sport's anti-doping policies, but is typically considered to be 24 hours prior to competition. The UCI however have a shorter window.

This from the UCI's anti-doping rules (Appendix 1: Definitions):

In-Competition: The Event Period. However, for the purpose of Prohibited List, In-Competition is the period commencing twelve hours before a Competition in which the Rider is scheduled to participate through the end of such Competition and the Sample collection process related to such Competition.

WRT test samples, this relates to timing of when samples are collected, not when a substance was administered.

So for example, if a rider was tested on the day before and was not expected to race for another 12+ hours, it would by UCI's rules be considered an out of competition test.

In Paolini's case of course the positive control was collected during the race.

 

[TheGreenMonkey]

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I heard he ate a steak that was butchered and prepared in Spain. Apparently they're claiming the butcher mixed up his salt for blow while seasoning.

Hilarious

 

[Netserk]

@Alex
So he could've tested positive the Thursday before the race as well?

 

[perico]

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Can see the excuse being a joke but then so is the UCI so why wont they accept it. The cocaine was medical and the pharmacists pill counter contaminated.........................easy.

That's clutching at straws.

Is it? Considering Wonderboy used a backdated TUE AFTER he tested positive? Oh wait, he could use the Contador" I ate some tainted meats, I swear" excuse too......

Simoni tested positive for cocaine and was later cleared because he said it was mixed unknowingly into the candy his loving Auntie had given him from Peru.

 

[Pulp]

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Do riders still do those? Like here, take this cocktail of the half dozen most easily detectable drugs on the planet, both in urine and in blood, just before the very possible post-race doping control, because it will probably be mildly performance enhancing, although it could also send you to emergency room.

The blood bag theory makes more sense to me.

Nothing that involves a human being ingesting cocaine makes any sense.

It makes more or less as much sense as getting drunk or smoking weed, i.e a lot of sense for a lot of people.
Overusage of most substances legal, or not, is of course self destructive and you could argue senseless.

 

[86TDFWinner]

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Can see the excuse being a joke but then so is the UCI so why wont they accept it. The cocaine was medical and the pharmacists pill counter contaminated.........................easy.

That's clutching at straws.

Is it? Considering Wonderboy used a backdated TUE AFTER he tested positive? Oh wait, he could use the Contador" I ate some tainted meats, I swear" excuse too......

Simoni tested positive for cocaine and was later cleared because he said it was mixed unknowingly into the candy his loving Auntie had given him from Peru.

LOL! He is creative, ah.

 

[Merckx index]

Do they test for cocaine in the pre-Tour test? If it's allowed OOC, I'm not sure they would, given that anyone positive at that point would obviously have taken it OOC, and depending on the amount, might have an undetectable level once the race started.

As I said before, I doubt the blood transfusion scenario. Don't think he would have enough of the metabolite in his blood to test positive. Unless he took a lot of coke, he would have to withdraw blood soon after, and he would have to transfuse probably right before the stage that he tested positive after. My understanding is that in this passport age, riders generally transfuse only about 150 ml, which is about 2% of total blood. So the original concentration of metabolite in his blood is going to be reduced by that much upon transfusion, and the amount passing into urine reduced proportionately. That concentration would continue to decline until he's actually tested. It's probably possible, but doesn't look likely.

 

[GuyIncognito]

He can just claim Boonen kissed him on the lips, left coke residue.
Wasn't that Tommeke's excuse?

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

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@Alex
So he could've tested positive the Thursday before the race as well?

Schrödinger's doper.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

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Do they test for cocaine in the pre-Tour test? If it's allowed OOC, I'm not sure they would, given that anyone positive at that point would obviously have taken it OOC, and depending on the amount, might have an undetectable level once the race started.

As I said before, I doubt the blood transfusion scenario. Don't think he would have enough of the metabolite in his blood to test positive. Unless he took a lot of coke, he would have to withdraw blood soon after, and he would have to transfuse probably right before the stage that he tested positive after. My understanding is that in this passport age, riders generally transfuse only about 150 ml, which is about 2% of total blood. So the original concentration of metabolite in his blood is going to be reduced by that much upon transfusion, and the amount passing into urine reduced proportionately. That concentration would continue to decline until he's actually tested. It's probably possible, but doesn't look likely.

To your first point, a big inference, but I think it gives us an answer:

In another thread, I looked up the cost of drug teating. Only the Australian NADO listed pricing. You could get a standard screening, a standard+epo, standard, +hgh and standard + epo + hgh. I may not remember it perfectly, but epo and hgh were seperate tests in addition to a standard test. Similar set up for blood tests.

So I imagine cocaine is part of your standard steroid/synthetic hormone/amphetamine test. I don't think screening cocaine is a seperate procedure from the standard.

That being said, I know the American Collegiate body, NCAA chooses 3 substances to look at on an individuals test (its on the form when they teat you...[. But I'd say the NCAA is more instreasted in 'cleans'-liness even more than the UCI])

 

[the delgados]

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He can just claim Boonen kissed him on the lips, left coke residue.
Wasn't that Tommeke's excuse?

I'm pretty sure you're referring to the tennis player Richard Gasquet.
But come to think of it, coming out of the closet would be a great way to distract everyone from testing positive for doing a little yay.

 

[proffate]

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And yes its a stimulant. Probably more for short term events, but that is why it is on the WADA list.

are you sure that's why it's on the list? Alcohol and marijuana are on the in-competition list but it's not because they're PEDs, it's because you shouldn't be high while bunny hopping road furniture.

 

[staubsauger]

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Can see the excuse being a joke but then so is the UCI so why wont they accept it. The cocaine was medical and the pharmacists pill counter contaminated.........................easy.

That's clutching at straws.

Is it? Considering Wonderboy used a backdated TUE AFTER he tested positive? Oh wait, he could use the Contador" I ate some tainted meats, I swear" excuse too......

Simoni tested positive for cocaine and was later cleared because he said it was mixed unknowingly into the candy his loving Auntie had given him from Peru.

LOL! He is creative, ah.

First it was the tee. Later it was the dentist's filling. Eventually he was cleared as it was in the candy.

This was Gibo's masterpiece, actually!

 

[doperhopper]

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Is it? Considering Wonderboy used a backdated TUE AFTER he tested positive? Oh wait, he could use the Contador" I ate some tainted meats, I swear" excuse too......[/quote]
Simoni tested positive for cocaine and was later cleared because he said it was mixed unknowingly into the candy his loving Auntie had given him from Peru.[/quote]

LOL! He is creative, ah.[/quote]
First it was the tee. Later it was the dentist's filling. Eventually he was cleared as it was in the candy.

This was Gibo's masterpiece, actually![/quote]

time to bring the vanishing twin who was a cocaine addict - bulletproof!

 

[nayr497]

If I had more disposable income, I'd use cocaine more often. I really enjoyed it when I tried it.