Paris-Nice 2024, March 3-10

[ManicJack]

Reminder that this thread exists — if you care to free up the race thread from at least some of the redundant back and forth.

Remco vs Roglic

Apparently, this has become a hot topic. It deserves its own thread. Today, the thread will have its grand opening when we will ceremoniously dump a million gallons of liquid shiit into it.

forum.cyclingnews.com

Best post of the thread.

 

[red_flanders]

So…uh…we shouldn’t talk about the two biggest riders in the race…in the race thread?

 

[Volderke]

(reminder: watching racing = entertainment, and nothing else)....one of the least aware analysis of any sport I've seen. Racing to win=winning. The move was going nowhere and most commentators were quick to point that out.
Who won the bonus points? It was er.....Matteo. He rode as strong as any contender.

I didn’t know you watch racing in order to win a race… or you simply don’t have any reading comprehension.

The discussion isn’t about what is the smartest thing to win this race (everything that happened today is largely irrelevant). The discussion is that some people appreciate entertaining riders (we’re all watching, not racing, unless you were in the race?), and some appreciate boring riders. Each to their own.

I’d say the take-home message for today: it was a great race, and we know who to thank.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

You got to know when to yolo
Know when to follow
Know when to ride away
Know when to sprint
You never count your trophies
When you're sitting in the saddle
There'll be time enough for counting
When the racing's done

- The Rambler

 

[ManicJack]

So…uh…we shouldn’t talk about the two biggest riders in the race…in the race thread?

What does a fan boy p*ssing contest have to do with this race?

 

[Devil's Elbow]

The easiest way for Roglic to remind me why I don't like him is for him to get on a bike.
The easiest way for Evenepoel to remind me why I don't like him is for him to open his mouth.
The easiest way for this forum to remind me which users I don't like is the pair of them racing against each other.
Today has been the perfect encapsulation of all three.

 

[Netserk]

The easiest way for Roglic to remind me why I don't like him is for him to get on a bike.
The easiest way for Evenepoel to remind me why I don't like him is for him to open his mouth.
The easiest way for this forum to remind me which users I don't like is the pair of them racing against each other.
Today has been the perfect encapsulation of all three.

I hope you look forward to Itzulia, Dauphiné & the Tour!

 

[red_flanders]

What does a fan boy p*ssing contest have to do with this race?

At some point the complaining about the noise becomes far worse than the noise.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Just watched the stage. Still haven't got my breath back. Spectacular. We have a race!
Kudos to Remco for trying the jump.
Congrats to Kooij, settling for Mads' wheel. Can't tell whether result would have different outcome without Lidl's last moment short of Kirsch.

Excellent stage design.

 

[Red Rick]

The easiest way for Roglic to remind me why I don't like him is for him to get on a bike.
The easiest way for Evenepoel to remind me why I don't like him is for him to open his mouth.
The easiest way for this forum to remind me which users I don't like is the pair of them racing against each other.
Today has been the perfect encapsulation of all three.

To be fair, you have to have a very high cycling IQ to be a fan of Primoz Roglic. His entertainment is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of advanced cycling strategy most of the spectacle he provides will go over a typical viewer's head. There is also Primoz' stoic outlook, which is deftly woven into his interviews. It draws heavily from his former skijumping career for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depth of these standard interview answers, to realize they're not just both intentionally and unintentionally funny - they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Primoz Roglic truly ARE July fans- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humor in Primoz' existential catchphrase "No Risk no Glory" which is itself a cryptic reference to famed AAF general Frederick Corbin Blesses approach to the Korean War. I'm smirking right now just imagining of those y-u-no-attack-fans scratching their heads in confusion as Ralph Denk's genious unfolds on their television screen. What fools.. how I pity them 😂. And yes by the way, I DO have a Primoz Roglic tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes. And even they have to demonstrate they are in my stratosphere of cycling strategy understanding before I show them.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to be a fan of Primoz Roglic. His entertainment is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of advanced cycling strategy most of the spectacle he provides will go over a typical viewer's head. There is also Primoz' stoic outlook, which is deftly woven into his interviews. It draws heavily from his former skijumping career for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depth of these standard interview answers, to realize they're not just both intentionally and unintentionally funny - they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Primoz Roglic truly ARE July fans- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humor in Primoz' existential catchphrase "No Risk no Glory" which is itself a cryptic reference to famed AAF general Frederick Corbin Blesses approach to the Korean War. I'm smirking right now just imagining of those y-u-no-attack-fans scratching their heads in fonfusion as Ralph Denk's genious unfolds on their television screen. What fools.. how I pity them 😂. And yes by the way, I DO have a Primoz Roglic tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes. And even they have to demonstrate they are in my stratosphere of cycling strategy understanding before I show them.

Screw brainless attackers: Teddy, Fatco and Skeletor. Rogla for life!

 

[Samu Cuenca]

To be fair, you have to have a very high cycling IQ to be a fan of Primoz Roglic. His entertainment is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of advanced cycling strategy most of the spectacle he provides will go over a typical viewer's head. There is also Primoz' stoic outlook, which is deftly woven into his interviews. It draws heavily from his former skijumping career for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depth of these standard interview answers, to realize they're not just both intentionally and unintentionally funny - they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Primoz Roglic truly ARE July fans- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humor in Primoz' existential catchphrase "No Risk no Glory" which is itself a cryptic reference to famed AAF general Frederick Corbin Blesses approach to the Korean War. I'm smirking right now just imagining of those y-u-no-attack-fans scratching their heads in fonfusion as Ralph Denk's genious unfolds on their television screen. What fools.. how I pity them 😂. And yes by the way, I DO have a Primoz Roglic tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes. And even they have to demonstrate they are in my stratosphere of cycling strategy understanding before I show them.

 

[Berniece]

To be fair, you have to have a very high cycling IQ to be a fan of Primoz Roglic. His entertainment is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of advanced cycling strategy most of the spectacle he provides will go over a typical viewer's head. There is also Primoz' stoic outlook, which is deftly woven into his interviews. It draws heavily from his former skijumping career for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depth of these standard interview answers, to realize they're not just both intentionally and unintentionally funny - they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Primoz Roglic truly ARE July fans- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humor in Primoz' existential catchphrase "No Risk no Glory" which is itself a cryptic reference to famed AAF general Frederick Corbin Blesses approach to the Korean War. I'm smirking right now just imagining of those y-u-no-attack-fans scratching their heads in fonfusion as Ralph Denk's genious unfolds on their television screen. What fools.. how I pity them 😂. And yes by the way, I DO have a Primoz Roglic tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes. And even they have to demonstrate they are in my stratosphere of cycling strategy understanding before I show them.

Lol, is this satire?

 

[bNator]

Roglic not attacking is merely a construct, an attempted spin of some sour Remco fans who try to justify the fact their homeboi keeps losing against Roglic every race they enter. Sure, these guys would love to see Rogla not being able to follow their guy. And if he does, then at least let him pull so that Remco can win a stage against him. Once this doesn’t happen, all that’s left is to b&m on chat boards what a negative rider Rogla is…

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Suck wheel, win race ~ Sun Tzu, The art of war

 

[red_flanders]

To be fair, you have to have a very high cycling IQ to be a fan of Primoz Roglic. His entertainment is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of advanced cycling strategy most of the spectacle he provides will go over a typical viewer's head. There is also Primoz' stoic outlook, which is deftly woven into his interviews. It draws heavily from his former skijumping career for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depth of these standard interview answers, to realize they're not just both intentionally and unintentionally funny - they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Primoz Roglic truly ARE July fans- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humor in Primoz' existential catchphrase "No Risk no Glory" which is itself a cryptic reference to famed AAF general Frederick Corbin Blesses approach to the Korean War. I'm smirking right now just imagining of those y-u-no-attack-fans scratching their heads in confusion as Ralph Denk's genious unfolds on their television screen. What fools.. how I pity them 😂. And yes by the way, I DO have a Primoz Roglic tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes. And even they have to demonstrate they are in my stratosphere of cycling strategy understanding before I show them.

I’m far to simple to fully appreciate the subtle genius of Roglič. “Remco smash” is about all my lizard brain can process.

 

[repre]

Suck wheel, win race ~ Sun Tzu, The art of war

That's how every race is won besides Pogacar's

 

[Netserk]

To be fair, you have to have a very high cycling IQ to be a fan of Primoz Roglic. His entertainment is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of advanced cycling strategy most of the spectacle he provides will go over a typical viewer's head. There is also Primoz' stoic outlook, which is deftly woven into his interviews. It draws heavily from his former skijumping career for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depth of these standard interview answers, to realize they're not just both intentionally and unintentionally funny - they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Primoz Roglic truly ARE July fans- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humor in Primoz' existential catchphrase "No Risk no Glory" which is itself a cryptic reference to famed AAF general Frederick Corbin Blesses approach to the Korean War. I'm smirking right now just imagining of those y-u-no-attack-fans scratching their heads in confusion as Ralph Denk's genious unfolds on their television screen. What fools.. how I pity them 😂. And yes by the way, I DO have a Primoz Roglic tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes. And even they have to demonstrate they are in my stratosphere of cycling strategy understanding before I show them.

<'3

 

[Berflamand]

“If we have a plan, Roglic is usually stuck to my wheel. I didn't like him, that was why I kept going so hard.” - Remco

Remco about the sprint for bonus seconds

He never said he didn't like him, he said he didn't see him.

Please don't feed the Remco-Roglic war with unwarranted and incorrect statements. Imo, there was nothing controversial about Remco's interviews after the race, he even said he understood why they didn't want to take turns.

 

[Berflamand]

I haven't seen it mentioned yet but Klaas Lodewyck (DS QuickStep) said one of the advantages of going for the boni seconds was also securing a good starting position for the TTT.

 

[search]

I haven't seen it mentioned yet but Klaas Lodewyck (DS QuickStep) said one of the purposes of going for the boni seconds was also securing a good starting position for the TTT.

sounds like a classic Klaas Lodewyck masterpiece.

The starting order for the TTT is based on the team classification, so bonus seconds have no influence on it at all (unless Evenepoel gets into the lead).

 

[red_flanders]

He never said he didn't like him, he said he didn't see him.

Please don't feed the Remco-Roglic war with unwarranted and incorrect statements. Imo, there was nothing controversial about Remco's interviews after the race, he even said he understood why they didn't want to take turns.

Thought that quote sounded super weird. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[DNP-Old]

sounds like a classic Klaas Lodewyck masterpiece.

The starting order for the TTT is based on the team classification, so bonus seconds have no influence on it at all (unless Evenepoel gets into the lead).

The actual quote is multi-interpretable, I guess. He says grabbing the boni gives them a good starting position for the TTT. You can read it as him thinking in actual starting TTT positioning, or you can read it as him saying they are 1-0 up before the TTT.

Maar met het oog op de ploegentijdrit van dinsdag geeft ons dat ook wel een goede startpositie.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Sorry Logic; it may be how a break forms at the right point in the terrain. The guys that went were earnest at first but all of them looked back and chilled when they saw an earnest pursuit. It was a softening move and not a decisive one. But you'd know that because you're not new to cycling/opinionating.

It was a reply in general. I didn't even watch the race yet. I can only imagine it was about Roglic not riding... Again. There must not be many "right moments" going by his racing behavior.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

sounds like a classic Klaas Lodewyck masterpiece.

Time for somebody to make a thread dedicated to the cycling genius of klaas lodewyclk and his many inspirational moments.

To be fair, you have to have a very high cycling IQ to be a fan of Primoz Roglic. His entertainment is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of advanced cycling strategy most of the spectacle he provides will go over a typical viewer's head. There is also Primoz' stoic outlook, which is deftly woven into his interviews. It draws

Never did I think I would see the phrase 'advanced cycling strategy' used when discussing primos Roglic. Fair play red rick