Paris-Nice 2024, March 3-10

[DNP-Old]

Normally Paris against Nice equals guaranteed echelons, but I haven't heard anything of it thus far. What are the forecasts like?

 

[Samamba]

Normally Paris against Nice equals guaranteed echelons, but I haven't heard anything of it thus far. What are the forecasts like?

Tomorrow was ment to be the echelon stage, but probably not enough wind.

 

[joseph89]

Watching roglic on Remco's wheel

Oi, roglic
Oi, more passion, more passion, more passion
More energy, more energy
More attacks, more attacks, more attacks
More passion, more energy, more energy
Ay, oi, oi, easy now

Only to be disappointed yet again.

 

[Sciatic]

Reminder that this thread exists — if you care to free up the race thread from at least some of the redundant back and forth.

Remco vs Roglic

Apparently, this has become a hot topic. It deserves its own thread. Today, the thread will have its grand opening when we will ceremoniously dump a million gallons of liquid shiit into it.

forum.cyclingnews.com

 

[red_flanders]

Who doesnt?

But it is still a bad time and slim opportunity to do anything in regard to GC.

Should be other riders attacking for the stage. Not one of the GC favorites.

Sure "its fun", but not very smart. Just calling it for what it is and pointing it out.

It's a certain view of racing, a very calculated view. What he did today was put some folks on notice that he might attack at any point during the entire race, which puts pressure on all his competitors. You won't see Roglič languishing in the back or middle of the pack from here on out.

He also had a small chance of gaining some time if the folks who came with were interested in doing the same. They weren't. Cost him basically nothing to create a bit of chaos.

Calling it "dumb" or "not very smart" strikes me as a POV borne of the Postal/Sky machine era of racing. We've entered a new era where audacious attacks can be a very effective way of racing.

And the sport is FAR better for it.

 

[Salvarani]

It's a certain view of racing, a very calculated view. What he did today was put some folks on notice that he might attack at any point during the entire race, which puts pressure on all his competitors. You won't see Roglič languishing in the back or middle of the pack from here on out.

He also had a small chance of gaining some time if the folks who came with were interested in doing the same. They weren't. Cost him basically nothing to create a bit of chaos.

Calling it "dumb" or "not very smart" strikes me as a POV borne of the Postal/Sky machine era of racing. We've entered a new era where audacious attacks can be a very effective way of racing.

And the sport is FAR better for it.

Hahaha.

Ok, you got it.

 

[red_flanders]

Netserk getting outplayed at his own game, you love to see it.

I could live without any of it.

Too much good racing these days to be a negative fan. Too many riders to admire to focus on whatever rider one dislikes, for whatever inane reason.

 

[Tim Cahill]

UAE's 5 leaders all finished in the group. Job done for today.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

UAE's 5 leaders all finished in the group. Job done for today.

No Pog and there are only leaders in UAE.

 

[dobrien]

I could live without any of it.

Too much good racing these days to be a negative fan. Too many riders to admire to focus on whatever rider one dislikes, for whatever inane reason.

I hope a certain someone who loves to indulge in a gratuitously insane amount of anti-Sepp Kuss vitriol will read your post.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Why are you obliged to give your main rival a turn when he's just attacked you?

New to cycling i see. This is usually how breaks form. It starts with one rider attacking, another responding, they work together and ride away.

 

[RedheadDane]

New to cycling i see. This is usually how breaks form. It starts with one rider attacking, another responding, they work together and ride away.

Are they often the two main rivals for the GC in a race?

 

[Netserk]

New to cycling i see. This is usually how breaks form. It starts with one rider attacking, another responding, they work together and ride away.

For breakaway riders. GC riders like Rogla know it’s about beating your rivals.

 

[Oldermanish]

Poggi did that with 81km to go.

Pogi pressed the small group to thin it down. No one came with him so he rode his tempo and had a 3 minute lead. Those were his words and he'd have ridden differently if anyone was in the area code.
Precurser for things to come: comparing Remco to Pogacar isn't going to bode well for Remco fans.

 

[joseph89]

“If we have a plan, Roglic is usually stuck to my wheel. I didn't like him, that was why I kept going so hard.” - Remco

Remco about the sprint for bonus seconds

 

[Oldermanish]

Roglic is such a negative rider, could go for the win and bonus seconds but no, let's not pull.

He literally spun up to Remco's move without getting out of the saddle. This is a stage race; not an ego-pull contest. Let's see how it turns out to see who has gas to win in a few days. Remco looks strong....like tractor.

 

[ManicJack]

New to cycling i see. This is usually how breaks form. It starts with one rider attacking, another responding, they work together and ride away.

🙄

 

[Oldermanish]

With guys like Evenepoel, Bernal, Pogacar, MvdP, WvA, you know they are not afraid to eat some wind, cause some splits and provide entertainment (reminder: watching racing = entertainment, and nothing else). If it wasn't Roglic but Pog, they were gone and the 'dumb(*)' move would have been a very good one (it's called selffullfilling prophecy, but you have those who can pull it off and those who can't or won't).

Ofcourse, like in every Western movie, besides the good guys mentioned above, you also need some bad guys (Escartin will be the ugly one) like Gerrans, Roglic, Zubeldia, Valvderd, Van Garderen... to provide extra draft for the heroes that are pulling, by sucking their wheels.

So I want to thank Roglic who seems to be in good shape, thus hard to drop and dangerous if Remco is overconfident. Without wheelsuckers like him, we wouldn't have a competitive race.

(*) dumb moves are those that make you lose the race. This move wasn't winning, but wasn't losing either. It could have been winning in certain circumstances, and there was nothing lost with trying.

(reminder: watching racing = entertainment, and nothing else)....one of the least aware analysis of any sport I've seen. Racing to win=winning. The move was going nowhere and most commentators were quick to point that out.
Who won the bonus points? It was er.....Matteo. He rode as strong as any contender.

 

[Salvarani]

“If we have a plan, Roglic is usually stuck to my wheel. I didn't like him, that was why I kept going so hard.” - Remco

Remco about the sprint for bonus seconds

He is so mature and wise.

 

[Oldermanish]

🙄

New to cycling i see. This is usually how breaks form. It starts with one rider attacking, another responding, they work together and ride away.

Sorry Logic; it may be how a break forms at the right point in the terrain. The guys that went were earnest at first but all of them looked back and chilled when they saw an earnest pursuit. It was a softening move and not a decisive one. But you'd know that because you're not new to cycling/opinionating.

 

[Oldermanish]

“If we have a plan, Roglic is usually stuck to my wheel. I didn't like him, that was why I kept going so hard.” - Remco

Remco about the sprint for bonus seconds

If he repeated that phrase a few times to himself in the mirror he'd begin to understand the "plan" had a flaw? Maybe... or just make a move when it'll be closed and complain to the press? That's impressive.

 

[jmdirt]

I could live without any of it.

Too much good racing these days to be a negative fan. Too many riders to admire to focus on whatever rider one dislikes, for whatever inane reason.

Yes^^^!

 

[joseph89]

😍

 

[DNP-Old]

😍

So many champions in this foto (i.e. not Roglic). Any biters?

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Why is this thread such a circus? The fight for the podium at the Tour will become more important than Vingegaard winning.