Paul Kimmage

[del1962]

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@del1962 wendby_bot is clearly a despiser of Kimmage. Pretty sure this is not the first time he has had a go at Kimmage here.

So what, Kimmage's tweet wasn't particularly clever for a serious journalist.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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@del1962 wendby_bot is clearly a despiser of Kimmage. Pretty sure this is not the first time he has had a go at Kimmage here.

So what, Kimmage's tweet wasn't particularly clever for a serious journalist.

You asked me a question. So I answered it. You're welcome.

Responding to that answer with a, "So what?" makes your question look stupid.

 

[D-Queued]

Re: Paul Kimmage - Hero

I remember a quote about half of Austin Texas hating Armstrong, the other half had yet to meet Lance...

Wiggins once made a photographer wait 2 days to give him 10minutes to get a picture and then left before giving him the agreed 10 minutes. Very easy to hate on Wiggins.

It was Wiggins(according to Darth Brailsford) who pulled the plug on Kimmage being embedded with TeamSky at 2011 TdF. Kimmage is, imo, entitled to give some back.

Ha ha.

... or, the other half had no drinking water.

Thinking about Kimmage's quote, I am not sure that it needs to be analyzed too deeply.

Forget about doping, Sky intrigue, or anything else, and simply ask the question, 'how scintillating can training for an hour record actually be?' It can't be anything but pure shyte.

Here is a sample excerpt:

Chapter 1

Woke up, thought about Sylvester Stallone in Rocky, and broke a dozen eggs into my blender. Hit the switch, and watched those eggs churn as they spun round and round.

I can generate more watts than that blender, and I can go faster around that track than those eggs.

As I realized that, I just reached out and hit the off button on the blender.

I never bothered trying to drink it. Who needs slow runny eggs?

<Pause> for dramatic effect

Can't wait for the movie version.

Dave.

 

[Archibald]

Re: Paul Kimmage - Hero

I remember a quote about half of Austin Texas hating Armstrong, the other half had yet to meet Lance...

Wiggins once made a photographer wait 2 days to give him 10minutes to get a picture and then left before giving him the agreed 10 minutes. Very easy to hate on Wiggins.

It was Wiggins(according to Darth Brailsford) who pulled the plug on Kimmage being embedded with TeamSky at 2011 TdF. Kimmage is, imo, entitled to give some back.

Ha ha.

... or, the other half had no drinking water.

Thinking about Kimmage's quote, I am not sure that it needs to be analyzed too deeply.

Forget about doping, Sky intrigue, or anything else, and simply ask the question, 'how scintillating can training for an hour record actually be?' It can't be anything but pure shyte.

Here is a sample excerpt:

Chapter 1

Woke up, thought about Sylvester Stallone in Rocky, and broke a dozen eggs into my blender. Hit the switch, and watched those eggs churn as they spun round and round.

I can generate more watts than that blender, and I can go faster around that track than those eggs.

As I realized that, I just reached out and hit the off button on the blender.

I never bothered trying to drink it. Who needs slow runny eggs?

<Pause> for dramatic effect

Can't wait for the movie version.

Dave.

Took just over an hour to select appropriate mod suit and matching shoes.

Styled hair to match Paul Weller.

Headed to the garage, where I gunned my moped and cranked up Paul Weller tunes.
Stopped just before the curb to look wistfully towards the horizon for a minute.
Rode to the velodrome.

Upon arrival, removed my helmet and fixed my hair...

 

[Avoriaz]

Re: Paul Kimmage - Hero

It was Wiggins(according to Darth Brailsford) who pulled the plug on Kimmage being embedded with TeamSky at 2011 TdF. Kimmage is, imo, entitled to give some back.

Partly true. The story goes that Wiggins was okay with Kimmage being with the team, but not until after the first time trial. For Kimmage, it was apparently all or nothing.

 

[Benotti69]

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I remember a quote about half of Austin Texas hating Armstrong, the other half had yet to meet Lance...

Wiggins once made a photographer wait 2 days to give him 10minutes to get a picture and then left before giving him the agreed 10 minutes. Very easy to hate on Wiggins.

It was Wiggins(according to Darth Brailsford) who pulled the plug on Kimmage being embedded with TeamSky at 2011 TdF. Kimmage is, imo, entitled to give some back.

Is he?

He has a reputation for being abrasive and rude. That's not a very intelligent approach if you want to get people to lower their defences....or even get through the door in the first place. He made a fool of himself over the whole Sky thing. Not clever for an investigative journalist

He is a journalist specialising in Sport. I have never seen Kimmage refer to himself as an investigative journalist. Nor do i think he has done any investigations. He interviews people and rights it up.

Care to post a link to where Kimmage describes himself as an investigative journalist?

He only made a fool over himself with Sky to Sky fans and as we know they dont count for very much and are very new to the sport.

I would dare to suggest that Kimmage's question of EBH has led to Sky trying very hard to make everything look real, Froome's testing........

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Paul Kimmage - Hero

It was Wiggins(according to Darth Brailsford) who pulled the plug on Kimmage being embedded with TeamSky at 2011 TdF. Kimmage is, imo, entitled to give some back.

Partly true. The story goes that Wiggins was okay with Kimmage being with the team, but not until after the first time trial. For Kimmage, it was apparently all or nothing.

The agreement with Brailsford was all or nothing, which was pulled on the eve of TdF. Kimmage was right to say no. If they pulled that on the eve, what else was going to get pulled? If Kimmage accepted that no first week with team, he could hardly write an article on having been granted full access. Turn up a week later and Wiggins does what we know he is capable off, keeping people waiting a long time and then buggering off leaving them with nothing.

For me Kimmage did the right thing. Sky have twisted and changed the narrative constantly, it was going to be the same that TdF.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Latest tweet from Kimmage encouraging the Irish team in the rugby World Cup. But rugby is full of dopers, right? And Kimmage is a hero, not sure to make of it. The Irish are a very good team, surely they aren't doing it on bread water, eh Paul?

 

[More Strides than Rides]

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Latest tweet from Kimmage encouraging the Irish team in the rugby World Cup. But rugby is full of dopers, right? And Kimmage is a hero, not sure to make of it. The Irish are a very good team, surely they aren't doing it on bread water, eh Paul?

A fair question, but very answerable.

Don't we all have our favorite dopers in this sport? In every sport?

I do agree with you though, that a public figure of anti-doping needs to watch what he or she says. Renee Anne Shirley is similar, blowing the lid on Jamaican doping, while tweeting her love for the Venus sisters.

 

[wendybnt]

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Latest tweet from Kimmage encouraging the Irish team in the rugby World Cup. But rugby is full of dopers, right? And Kimmage is a hero, not sure to make of it. The Irish are a very good team, surely they aren't doing it on bread water, eh Paul?

A fair question, but very answerable.

Don't we all have our favorite dopers in this sport? In every sport?

I do agree with you though, that a public figure of anti-doping needs to watch what he or she says. Renee Anne Shirley is similar, blowing the lid on Jamaican doping, while tweeting her love for the Venus sisters.

I find your first comment really weird. I'm almost certain Kimmage wouldn't agree with you because if he did it would make him the biggest hypocrite in sports journalism.

And I don't think he is that.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

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Latest tweet from Kimmage encouraging the Irish team in the rugby World Cup. But rugby is full of dopers, right? And Kimmage is a hero, not sure to make of it. The Irish are a very good team, surely they aren't doing it on bread water, eh Paul?

A fair question, but very answerable.

Don't we all have our favorite dopers in this sport? In every sport?

I do agree with you though, that a public figure of anti-doping needs to watch what he or she says. Renee Anne Shirley is similar, blowing the lid on Jamaican doping, while tweeting her love for the Venus sisters.

I find your first comment really weird. I'm almost certain Kimmage wouldn't agree with you because if he did it would make him the biggest hypocrite in sports journalism.

And I don't think he is that.

Either he thinks Irish Rugby is clean or he tweeted an off-hand fan opinion that didn't filter through the rest of his principles, just like everybody is capable of. If it's the latter, I'm not going to lynch him for it, because we all do the same thing, even though I expect more from him.

Or, he might think they're clean. In which case, JimmyFingers's question is very answerable.

 

[The Hitch]

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Latest tweet from Kimmage encouraging the Irish team in the rugby World Cup. But rugby is full of dopers, right? And Kimmage is a hero, not sure to make of it.

Where has Kimmage ever accused anyone based purely on the fact that they take part in a sport full of dopers?

The Irish are a very good team, surely they aren't doing it on bread water, eh Paul?

So you are willing to accuse Irish athletes based purely on the fact that their sport is doped, but not English ones?

 

[MarkvW]

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Latest tweet from Kimmage encouraging the Irish team in the rugby World Cup. But rugby is full of dopers, right? And Kimmage is a hero, not sure to make of it.

Where has Kimmage ever accused anyone based purely on the fact that they take part in a sport full of dopers?

The Irish are a very good team, surely they aren't doing it on bread water, eh Paul?

So you are willing to accuse Irish athletes based purely on the fact that their sport is doped, but not English ones?

"So you are" ____________ "because of" __________? The classic argumentative question.

 

[del1962]

Perhaps Paul's involvement in cycling over the years has given him a more negative view than of other sports, combined with the belief that doping is less effective in so called skilled sports, not that egg chasing is a particularly skilled sport imo

 

[JimmyFingers]

My bad, Kimmage was actually tweeting his support for the Irish football team

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage 2h2 hours ago
Had my first taste of that feral, visceral excitement 25 years ago at Italia '90. Never thought I'd experience it in football again. Magic.

But the same applies, given the woeful lack of testing in football, and the probably widespread doping in the sport.

In his defence he has tweeted a lot about doping in rugby.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Oh and just for Hitch, English rugby is full of dopers. More positives than any other sport, its as plain as the nose on your face. No qualms pointing that out. Anecdotally lots of steroid use from early ages to bulk up, which is when they usually get popped.

 

[simoni]

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My bad, Kimmage was actually tweeting his support for the Irish football team

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage 2h2 hours ago
Had my first taste of that feral, visceral excitement 25 years ago at Italia '90. Never thought I'd experience it in football again. Magic.

But the same applies, given the woeful lack of testing in football, and the probably widespread doping in the sport.

In his defence he has tweeted a lot about doping in rugby.

Re: comment on football see link below (don't disagree with your comment that football is likely full of cheats - too much money for there not to be - and the dishonesty evidently starts at the top). Lots of tests, not many positives leads to a different debate.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/33686397

 

[pmcg76]

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My bad, Kimmage was actually tweeting his support for the Irish football team

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage 2h2 hours ago
Had my first taste of that feral, visceral excitement 25 years ago at Italia '90. Never thought I'd experience it in football again. Magic.

But the same applies, given the woeful lack of testing in football.

In his defence he has tweeted a lot about doping in rugby.

Kimmage has always been hypocritical, have said that before and even the likes of Bassons have been very hypocritical at times as well. There ain't nobody that aint hypocritical. Period. Why just recently, another anti-doping crusader Steve Tilford was singing the praises of Eddie B, never questions anything about BMC, the team his wife works for but he sure does dislike certain other people/teams. Why the double standards??

Kimmage has criticised Nicolas Roche but has cheered on Dan Martin which again makes little sense unless you remember his dislike for Roche Snr which is petty to hold against his son. Very often it depends on the relationships between people, easy to criticise someone you don't know but less easy to do when there is a relationship there.

Kimmage dissed the dirt in Rough Ride(which is a great book) but rarely questioned doping in other sports for a long time. As someone who knew what pro sports was like, there should have been more objectivity but there wasn't.

 

[JimmyFingers]

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My bad, Kimmage was actually tweeting his support for the Irish football team

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage 2h2 hours ago
Had my first taste of that feral, visceral excitement 25 years ago at Italia '90. Never thought I'd experience it in football again. Magic.

But the same applies, given the woeful lack of testing in football.

In his defence he has tweeted a lot about doping in rugby.

Kimmage has always been hypocritical, have said that before and even the likes of Bassons have been very hypocritical at times as well. There ain't nobody that aint hypocritical. Period. Why just recently, another anti-doping crusader Steve Tilford was singing the praises of Eddie B, never questions anything about BMC, the team his wife works for but he sure does dislike certain other people/teams. Why the double standards??

Kimmage has criticised Nicolas Roche but has cheered on Dan Martin which again makes little sense unless you remember his dislike for Roche Snr which is petty to hold against his son. Very often it depends on the relationships between people, easy to criticise someone you don't know but less easy to do when there is a relationship there.

Kimmage dissed the dirt in Rough Ride(which is a great book) but rarely questioned doping in other sports for a long time. As someone who knew what pro sports was like, there should have been more objectivity but there wasn't.

Good reply, appreciated, and you articulated the point I was driving out very well, unlike the strawman personal attack by Hitch.

 

[del1962]

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My bad, Kimmage was actually tweeting his support for the Irish football team

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage 2h2 hours ago
Had my first taste of that feral, visceral excitement 25 years ago at Italia '90. Never thought I'd experience it in football again. Magic.

But the same applies, given the woeful lack of testing in football, and the probably widespread doping in the sport.

In his defence he has tweeted a lot about doping in rugby.

Re: comment on football see link below (don't disagree with your comment that football is likely full of cheats - too much money for there not to be - and the dishonesty evidently starts at the top). Lots of tests, not many positives leads to a different debate.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/33686397

What you got to remember when looking at the number of tests in football is that while it has the most number of tests, the percentage of tests to professional participants is probably a lot lower than athletics and cycling

 

[The Hitch]

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Post not poster mate

Tell me what it is about the Irish rugby team that make them so much more suspicious in your eyes than Hoy and Wiggins and Froome?

 

[JimmyFingers]

There's a very worthy football thread, I think it was from there I got the lack of testing, didn't consider actual empirical evidence but as Del points out, the sheer number of pros in football means percentage wise it's not as well tested as some other sports.

Then there are the Fuentes links to football teams, which were well covered up.

Then there was Rio Ferdinand and Ferguson's furious reaction to his ban, and the fact he frequently railed against drugs testing.

 

[JimmyFingers]

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Post not poster mate

Tell me what it is about the Irish rugby team that make them so much more suspicious in your eyes than Hoy and Wiggins and Froome?

You are missing the nuance, as usual. I was employing Kimmage/Clinic logic slightly satirically to make a point. Fortunately other posters got that and didn't use it as an opportunity to launch a personal attack on me.

 

[The Hitch]

Kimmage logic?
When did kimmage ever say that merely participating in a doped sport means you are doping?

His accusations against sky are based on their domination, transformation, wiggos changes in behaviour and most of all the fact that brailsford has repeatedly lied to him and others.

Which of the above fits the Ireland Rugby team?

 

[JimmyFingers]

He was actually tweeting about the football team. He's actually tweeted quite a lot about doping in rugby, FYI