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auscyclefan94 said:i slit my wrists today because of the announcement about Pegasus!
2beeDammed said:
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A new announcement? That they accept the fact that they're (not yet) a Top-15 team? Why is that wrist slit worthy?
Pro-Conti status isn't terrible you know.... Vacansoleil have done pretty well
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Moondance said:?
A new announcement? That they accept the fact that they're (not yet) a Top-15 team? Why is that wrist slit worthy?
Pro-Conti status isn't terrible you know.... Vacansoleil have done pretty well
I am more likely going to cry myself to sleep tonight that I am going to have to wait another year for an australian pro team!
auscyclefan94 said:I am more likely going to cry myself to sleep tonight that I am going to have to wait another year for an australian pro team!
Well, Pro-Conti status is still pro...
And while I agree that it would be desirous to have a big-money team in Australia, and competing in all the top races, Pegasus shouldn't get ProTeam (or whatever the UCI calls it these days) just on that fact alone.
Surely you would agree that Pegasus' roster so far is not worthy of the ProTeam status?
- Jun 16, 2009
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Moondance said:
I do agree, but it has been an emotional day for me. People have been mocking bmc's cobbled classics team all year and I am going to have to put up with that till april. I feel like sitting in a corner and having a cry!
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hubbard said:
I'm quite pleased with it tbh. It's not a bad ranking, 3 out of a position where they'd be considered. Some good results and racing next season and then some GOOD signings and they'll be sure to have a stronger chance.
Oh and isn't there still 3-4 spots that are to be filled?
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Moondance said:
I am a huge Australian cycling fan but Pegasus never deserve a spot on the Pro Tour. White needed to sign a couple of big leaders earlier in the year so that he could build a team that could ACTUALLY WIN RACES. Pegasus is relying on the two Robbies to win them races and name me a race where there won't be faster sprinters than those guys. White also missed out on signing young riders young like Matthews.
If you expect to make it to the pro tour and ride 3 grand tours then you have to have at least one rider who can climb. WOOHOO for Trent Lowe, Christian Knees and Thomas Rohregger. Next year theyll have to sign Gossy and Porte or a couple of similar riders so that they can actually win races and feature on terrain which isnt pan flat. I am 100% aware of the fact that you cant just throw money at everyone and expect them to join but out of the number of riders the transferred this season I can't help but think that Chris White isn't the best man for the job. Good Luck to them in what they ride this year but big signings will need to be made before they can even dream of Pro tour. A year as Pro-Conti wont do them any harm.
I cant see them getting invites to multi-stages races, classics for sure because these have more spots available and McEwens ties to Belgium but the chances for GT or even the 1-week races seem pretty slim.
The ASO has already to make tough choices between the french teams for TdF, Dauphine and P-N. Italians and Spaniards also have to take care of their domestic teams and the two swiss races usually hand out just 2 wild cards.
The ASO has already to make tough choices between the french teams for TdF, Dauphine and P-N. Italians and Spaniards also have to take care of their domestic teams and the two swiss races usually hand out just 2 wild cards.
- May 25, 2010
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Sydney21 said:
On a side note, it could prove to be a financial master-stroke and a shrewd bit of planning. What we really don't need is the Aussie version of the Sky team, all bling and no substance (
). So CW does two bits of clever media manipulation. 1) he announces Pegasus going for PT. Makes a lot more noise and better headlines than "New Aussie Team trying for P-CT: They'll probably get it too". 2) Puts it out there that he has the full $10mill sponsorship lined up. With the squad looking spartan (that's not a pun) and quite ordinary, that'll plant a few seeds in riders minds for next time negotiations have come. As well as the stories about being interested in Cancellara and Hushovd, there'll be some decent (better than McEwen) riders who'll be likely to be enticed to Pegasus with the money being bandied about. All conjecture atm, time will tell all but certainly food for thought. Still waiting on an actual press conference and new media releases from the Pegasus camp...
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I speak for all Australians when I say that ACF does not speak for all Australians.
Pro-Conti will be good for the team. As much as I love seeing Robbie McEwen getting up there in the sprints in the Tour (I still think he'll go into 2012) it will get them used to Europe and used to doing the bigger races compared to America.
I'm the first to admit that's not a ProTour level team, they clearly miss a big name that can stay up there over a multi stage race. Hopefully they perform well and attract some big names for the season after.
Pro-Conti will be good for the team. As much as I love seeing Robbie McEwen getting up there in the sprints in the Tour (I still think he'll go into 2012) it will get them used to Europe and used to doing the bigger races compared to America.
I'm the first to admit that's not a ProTour level team, they clearly miss a big name that can stay up there over a multi stage race. Hopefully they perform well and attract some big names for the season after.
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It's a useful lineup for a ProConti team. They can do a lot of the .1-rated flatter stage races - Picardie, Wallonie, etc, and some .HCs - California or Turkey would be good exposure since it's televised in Anglophone countries, and to get some of the riders primed for the big races, racing at peak level at GT warmup races like Trentino and Burgos would be useful. They'll get a wildcard for the TDU of course, and with Tuft probably the Canadian races too. Austria, with Rohregger in the team, will give a nice mountainous race with a decent but not too high level of competition. They can compete at some semiclassics like Frankfurt too.
This is what they should have been looking at to begin with - a nice logical progression.
This is what they should have been looking at to begin with - a nice logical progression.
NickBVK said:
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and the way this whole thing has been talked up, certainly imho is very un-australian. it has the real potential to make us look like fools.
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Tuarts said:On a side note, it could prove to be a financial master-stroke and a shrewd bit of planning. What we really don't need is the Aussie version of the Sky team, all bling and no substance (
I hope your right but I don't see it. Well have to wait another year to see...
Dennis was good but for me Durbridge was more impressive. He rode about a second slower than Phinney and he did it in the wet! But Matthews is a faster finisher than those two. I said they should have signed him before the WC and before he was signed by Rabo. Hopefully they can get there hands on leigh Howard who is almost as young and probably a bit faster for next year.
- Jun 16, 2009
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Interesting comments from Chris White
“It’s irrelevant [to the application]. After the 15th of October, any riders added don’t give you ProTour points. It’s tough,” he says flatly. “If Richie Porte had been an option, or Cancellara got on board, or Michael Rogers had seen us as relevant, [there was a] very, very good chance that only one of those guys would have been the difference for us to be in the ProTour.” “There’s three more guys I’d like to add,” says White, “but to go to 25 as a Pro Continental team could be... somewhat problematic.”
Seems some friction between Rogers and White.
Sponsorshp
“I’m hoping to be in a position by mid-November to provide our full brand, image and story.”
Talking about invites to grand tours
“It will really depend on how well we race initially and the race invitations that we can generate. It’s up to us to come out swinging and show what we’ve got, and that we’re relevant, we’re exciting, we’re raw, we’re edgy – and that we’re successful. So we’ve got to do all of that,” White says.
Initial races
“It’s yet to be confirmed, but we’re in positive talks with ASO for Tour of Qatar and Oman. And I believe if we did well at those events and other ASO events like Paris-Nice, I think we’d be well-positioned to think that we’ve got an ability to do the Tour de France.”
No talk of Down Under or has he just assumed that the organisers will give them an invite?
I think the approach they are taking by having lots of home grown talent with some experienced guys is the right way to go. Gradually build it up and not just go out a spending spree when you are first launching the team and expect results.
“It’s irrelevant [to the application]. After the 15th of October, any riders added don’t give you ProTour points. It’s tough,” he says flatly. “If Richie Porte had been an option, or Cancellara got on board, or Michael Rogers had seen us as relevant, [there was a] very, very good chance that only one of those guys would have been the difference for us to be in the ProTour.” “There’s three more guys I’d like to add,” says White, “but to go to 25 as a Pro Continental team could be... somewhat problematic.”
Seems some friction between Rogers and White.
Sponsorshp
“I’m hoping to be in a position by mid-November to provide our full brand, image and story.”
Talking about invites to grand tours
“It will really depend on how well we race initially and the race invitations that we can generate. It’s up to us to come out swinging and show what we’ve got, and that we’re relevant, we’re exciting, we’re raw, we’re edgy – and that we’re successful. So we’ve got to do all of that,” White says.
Initial races
“It’s yet to be confirmed, but we’re in positive talks with ASO for Tour of Qatar and Oman. And I believe if we did well at those events and other ASO events like Paris-Nice, I think we’d be well-positioned to think that we’ve got an ability to do the Tour de France.”
No talk of Down Under or has he just assumed that the organisers will give them an invite?
I think the approach they are taking by having lots of home grown talent with some experienced guys is the right way to go. Gradually build it up and not just go out a spending spree when you are first launching the team and expect results.
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Probing young talents into the big time is what Pegasus (I am sick of calling them this) will be about. More australians will have their time in the big time and I think it would of been a good move for matthews to go ride with them as he will get some good experience but ride in an english speaking team full of his country men. Because they will also ride in some smaller races that would be another good point for the idea of him going to pegasus. BUt rabo is still a very good choice for matthews.Ferminal said:
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Tuarts said:
http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/news/18136/-I-get-knocked-down,-but-I-get-up-again
egasus-still-flyingI just copied all the quotes from this link!
Susan Westemeyer
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auscyclefan94 said:http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/news/18136/-I-get-knocked-down,-but-I-get-up-again
I just copied all the quotes from this link!
Please remember to give your source when you use the quotes.
Susan
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