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tobydawq said:
In the Cyclingnews interview he says that he once jumped over a dog which ran out in front of him on the Poggio descent but damaged his wheel, so they caught the brakes in the sprint. Has anybody heard that story before and does anyone know which year it was? Maybe 2014, where he only sprinted to 10th?
I heard it first time today and I would really want to know which year it was. It might be 2014 probably. I wa thinking the distance wore him out but maybe dog incident it was :D. I assume he did not mention it in his book. I am going to read it after Christmas. Anyway jumping over a dog at Poggio descent is so Saganish :lol:
 
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Keram said:
tobydawq said:
In the Cyclingnews interview he says that he once jumped over a dog which ran out in front of him on the Poggio descent but damaged his wheel, so they caught the brakes in the sprint. Has anybody heard that story before and does anyone know which year it was? Maybe 2014, where he only sprinted to 10th?
I heard it first time today and I would really want to know which year it was. It might be 2014 probably. I wa thinking the distance wore him out but maybe dog incident it was :D. I assume he did not mention it in his book. I am going to read it after Christmas. Anyway jumping over a dog at Poggio descent is so Saganish :lol:
Yeah, it's pretty legendary stuff. And no, it's not in the book, which covers almost all his races of 2015 to 2017, so 2014 is my best guess.
 
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Lequack said:
Has anyone informed Sagan that the Spring classics have started?
He will not even do Strade :(

Patxi Vila says that Strade is the hardest race of them all and the one that takes the biggest toll - especially if it's rainy like last year. And given that they want Sagan to stay in condition until Liège this year, they have decided that his first race will be Tirreno-Adriatico.

Strade is a big hole in his palmarès and it still pisses me off that Moreno Moser was allowed to take it in 2013 when Sagan could have won it with two fingers in his nose.
 
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tobydawq said:
Lequack said:
Has anyone informed Sagan that the Spring classics have started?
He will not even do Strade :(

Patxi Vila says that Strade is the hardest race of them all and the one that takes the biggest toll - especially if it's rainy like last year. And given that they want Sagan to stay in condition until Liège this year, they have decided that his first race will be Tirreno-Adriatico.

Strade is a big hole in his palmarès and it still pisses me off that Moreno Moser was allowed to take it in 2013 when Sagan could have won it with two fingers in his nose.
I really hope he does Strade next year. The race has Sagan written all over it.
 
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Serpentin said:
I really hope he does Strade next year. The race has Sagan written all over it.
I don't know, I think the final climb is too much for the current weight Sagan. It was perfect for the young, lighter Sagan, but that is long gone....
 
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tobydawq said:
Lequack said:
Has anyone informed Sagan that the Spring classics have started?
He will not even do Strade :(

Patxi Vila says that Strade is the hardest race of them all and the one that takes the biggest toll - especially if it's rainy like last year. And given that they want Sagan to stay in condition until Liège this year, they have decided that his first race will be Tirreno-Adriatico.

Strade is a big hole in his palmarès and it still pisses me off that Moreno Moser was allowed to take it in 2013 when Sagan could have won it with two fingers in his nose.
Allowed, that's an interesting way to put it.
 
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SafeBet said:
tobydawq said:
Lequack said:
Has anyone informed Sagan that the Spring classics have started?
He will not even do Strade :(

Patxi Vila says that Strade is the hardest race of them all and the one that takes the biggest toll - especially if it's rainy like last year. And given that they want Sagan to stay in condition until Liège this year, they have decided that his first race will be Tirreno-Adriatico.

Strade is a big hole in his palmarès and it still pisses me off that Moreno Moser was allowed to take it in 2013 when Sagan could have won it with two fingers in his nose.
Allowed, that's an interesting way to put it.
Yeah, okay, it was a comparable way to how Jungels won Liège last year - having the best rider behind, ruining all collaboration.

So maybe not the best word, but in some way, the tactics apparently did allow him to try his own instead of just setting up Sagan.

But at that time it was difficult to foresee that Sagan wouldn't easily win the race another year.
 
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tobydawq said:
SafeBet said:
tobydawq said:
Lequack said:
Has anyone informed Sagan that the Spring classics have started?
He will not even do Strade :(

Patxi Vila says that Strade is the hardest race of them all and the one that takes the biggest toll - especially if it's rainy like last year. And given that they want Sagan to stay in condition until Liège this year, they have decided that his first race will be Tirreno-Adriatico.

Strade is a big hole in his palmarès and it still pisses me off that Moreno Moser was allowed to take it in 2013 when Sagan could have won it with two fingers in his nose.
Allowed, that's an interesting way to put it.
Yeah, okay, it was a comparable way to how Jungels won Liège last year - having the best rider behind, ruining all collaboration.

So maybe not the best word, but in some way, the tactics apparently did allow him to try his own instead of just setting up Sagan.

But at that time it was difficult to foresee that Sagan wouldn't easily win the race another year.
He maybe had the 2nd best, you and I know well that the best is guy in your avatar ;)
 
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Blanco said:
tobydawq said:
SafeBet said:
tobydawq said:
Lequack said:
Has anyone informed Sagan that the Spring classics have started?
He will not even do Strade :(

Patxi Vila says that Strade is the hardest race of them all and the one that takes the biggest toll - especially if it's rainy like last year. And given that they want Sagan to stay in condition until Liège this year, they have decided that his first race will be Tirreno-Adriatico.

Strade is a big hole in his palmarès and it still pisses me off that Moreno Moser was allowed to take it in 2013 when Sagan could have won it with two fingers in his nose.
Allowed, that's an interesting way to put it.
Yeah, okay, it was a comparable way to how Jungels won Liège last year - having the best rider behind, ruining all collaboration.

So maybe not the best word, but in some way, the tactics apparently did allow him to try his own instead of just setting up Sagan.

But at that time it was difficult to foresee that Sagan wouldn't easily win the race another year.
He maybe had the 2nd best, you and I know well that the best is guy in your avatar ;)
Except the guy in both my and tobydawd's avatar wasn't the best guy last year at LBL. He even said after the race that he raced LBL on empty and needed some time off the bike. (Which he took about 3 weeks totally off the bike after LBL). He said he started cramping about 2/3rds through the race and was doing everything he could just to have a good finish. So Jungels likely did have the best guy running collaboration for him in that group.
 
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Salvarani said:
Keram said:
Very subpar season so far. I am curious if he can turn things around.
If he has a bad classics season you can say he has been subpar so far, but saying it now is just laughable.
yup, but as of now, it seems Bora should concentrate on Bennet. Sagan just can't possibly have the shape. Even his positional skills seem to be broken at the moment. On the other hand, in MSR, anything can happen, even a Nibali win.
 
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tomorrow said:
Salvarani said:
Keram said:
Very subpar season so far. I am curious if he can turn things around.
If he has a bad classics season you can say he has been subpar so far, but saying it now is just laughable.
yup, but as of now, it seems Bora should concentrate on Bennet. Sagan just can't possibly have the shape. Even his positional skills seem to be broken at the moment. On the other hand, in MSR, anything can happen, even a Nibali win.

From a race scenario perspective it just might be turning into his best opportunity as Sam Bennett is a plausible bunch finish winner and more durable on lumpy courses than most sprinters so Sagan can sit on any attacking move and play the waiting game and other teams won't be able to rely on him chasing down everything.

I hope very much he can win MSR as it is the most obvious winnable gap in his palmares and he has been in the frame almost every time he has ridden it but never conquered it.
 
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hayneplane said:
tomorrow said:
Salvarani said:
Keram said:
Very subpar season so far. I am curious if he can turn things around.
If he has a bad classics season you can say he has been subpar so far, but saying it now is just laughable.
yup, but as of now, it seems Bora should concentrate on Bennet. Sagan just can't possibly have the shape. Even his positional skills seem to be broken at the moment. On the other hand, in MSR, anything can happen, even a Nibali win.

From a race scenario perspective it just might be turning into his best opportunity as Sam Bennett is a plausible bunch finish winner and more durable on lumpy courses than most sprinters so Sagan can sit on any attacking move and play the waiting game and other teams won't be able to rely on him chasing down everything.

I hope very much he can win MSR as it is the most obvious winnable gap in his palmares and he has been in the frame almost every time he has ridden it but never conquered it.
I think this is a good assessment. MSR is a long race and nobody will have a good lead-out coming into the sprint if it is sprint. Sagan in form will be there. He seems to also just been coasting through this TA and just gone for the sprints. Which he didnt do that bad in tbh. Better than Gaviria did. So maybe he is just more focused on his targets and going in a little under-cooked for this classics season.
 
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hayneplane said:
tomorrow said:
Salvarani said:
Keram said:
Very subpar season so far. I am curious if he can turn things around.
If he has a bad classics season you can say he has been subpar so far, but saying it now is just laughable.
yup, but as of now, it seems Bora should concentrate on Bennet. Sagan just can't possibly have the shape. Even his positional skills seem to be broken at the moment. On the other hand, in MSR, anything can happen, even a Nibali win.

From a race scenario perspective it just might be turning into his best opportunity as Sam Bennett is a plausible bunch finish winner and more durable on lumpy courses than most sprinters so Sagan can sit on any attacking move and play the waiting game and other teams won't be able to rely on him chasing down everything.

I hope very much he can win MSR as it is the most obvious winnable gap in his palmares and he has been in the frame almost every time he has ridden it but never conquered it.
Bennet there is obviously huge option for Bora's DSs. However, the presence of Sagan is more benefitial to Bennet's winning than vice versa. With Bennet there, as you said, Sagan will try to go with some suicide attack, or even to his own one. However, if he joins somebody, that somebody will stop working and give a damn about sagan's other very plausible option in the bunch. So sagan either will cooperate or they will be caught. So imho, with Bennet's presence, Sagan will still have to bet it all on one card, the question is which will it be. I hope it's the attacking one, because attacking Sagan makes the racing exciting, although it might not be the best type of Sagan regarding his palmares.
 

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