Podium behaviour poll

[Netserk]

Doesn't change the fact that I found it funny. One might even say that it was a sarcastic comment to the objectifying of women.

 

[katkotom]

Wonder how to say that in Slavic?

Slavic language? which one is that?

 

[bissib]

I did not see any apology to the lady in question.

What? Sagan's apology starts with "I sincerely apologize to Maja..."

 

[baj32161]

Honestly I'm more appalled by those who defend him than by what he did.

+1 It just did not sit well with me and I can see where people may think it is not a big deal....but to defend his actions.....That I do not get.

 

[wiggos sideburn]

It was just a joke maybe not a good one but we all make mistakes. The feminists have just made this a storm in a tea cup

 

[Angliru]

Sagan did something inappropriate.About that i think most people are agreeing upon.
But there is a followup to this. Sagan apologized over twitter and the media to ...... the people who were up in arms against his behavior. I did not see any apology to the lady in question. The whole point is to assure the person who got hurt not not to minimize the impact to your reputation via the media. It is basic human decency. Ergo Sagan is not a gentleman. And to make the matters worse nobody in the Cannondale media machine or Sagan's inner circle has pointed it out to him.

I recall he did mention her by name in his twitter apology. He seemed sincerely remorseful about his actions. In my heart I think he is just a young guy who made a dreadful error in judgement. He seems like a good hearted person that made a youthful mistake. From what I've read in this or the other related thread he was egged on to do it by someone he knows in a position of authority that was in the audience in front of the podium. This doesn't relieve him of responsibility but it does give an insight into the culture or environment he is surrounded by if this type of behaviour is encouraged.

 

[katkotom]

well, at least in our culture, calling a woman good looking would not be considered sexist

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22050548

 

[Angliru]

well, at least in our culture, calling a woman good looking would not be considered sexist

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22050548

I'm not specificly talking about the Slovak culture. You do realize the word is not exclusive to countries. It could apply to a religion, or even one's own environment.

 

[katkotom]

well he spends most of his time in Italy now so his teammates are to blame

 

[Caruut]

Does it matter? Maja is single

Strictly speaking, no. Was simply trying to highlight that what you find acceptable behaviour towards a girl you don't know might be very different from what you deem acceptable behaviour towards those you're close to - a girlfriend/wife/sister/mother/daughter, for example.

I'll repeat the question - would you find it acceptable if someone behaved like that towards your (hypothetical or otherwise) wife or girlfriend?

The fact that she is single is totally irrelevant. She has rights whether or not she's got someone in her life.

 

[Caruut]

It was just a joke maybe not a good one but we all make mistakes. The feminists have just made this a storm in a tea cup

"We all make mistakes" but this is a "storm in a teacup". Interesting dichotomy there, you accept that everyone makes mistakes but don't want people to be held to account for them. It's not acceptable, and ought to be recognised as such.

 

[wiggos sideburn]

"We all make mistakes" but this is a "storm in a teacup". Interesting dichotomy there, you accept that everyone makes mistakes but don't want people to be held to account for them. It's not acceptable, and ought to be recognised as such.

No but some people and the media have massively overreacted to this which is why although it was an error of judgement it is a storm in a teacup considering the reaction to the incident. I've seen some people saying he should be fined or banned, there should be no more podium girls as they're overly sexualised etc

 

[Caruut]

No but some people and the media have massively overreacted to this which is why although it was an error of judgement it is a storm in a teacup considering the reaction to the incident. I've seen some people saying he should be fined or banned, there should be no more podium girls as they're overly sexualised etc

An extreme reaction from a few doesn't make it a storm in a teacup. The vast majority of those condemning him are doing so in a "that was stupid and not okay, hopefully he will learn from it" manner. When you say the reaction is a "storm in a teacup" then to me you are criticising the typical reaction. If you mean the most extreme elements of the reaction, then say so.

There definitely shouldn't be podium girls in my opinion. You can head over to that thread to discuss it, if you wish.

 

[wiggos sideburn]

An extreme reaction from a few doesn't make it a storm in a teacup. The vast majority of those condemning him are doing so in a "that was stupid and not okay, hopefully he will learn from it" manner. When you say the reaction is a "storm in a teacup" then to me you are criticising the typical reaction. If you mean the most extreme elements of the reaction, then say so.

There definitely shouldn't be podium girls in my opinion. You can head over to that thread to discuss it, if you wish.

From what I saw there was many people over reacting to it, which from my view made it a storm in a tea cup

 

[Angliru]

No but some people and the media have massively overreacted to this which is why although it was an error of judgement it is a storm in a teacup considering the reaction to the incident. I've seen some people saying he should be fined or banned, there should be no more podium girls as they're overly sexualised etc

Maybe he should be fined. He essentially sexually assaulted someone. Felt her up, all while representing the sport to the public on camera for everyone to see. With all the accolades and praise comes responsibility. Hopefully he's learned that his behaviour was completely inappropriate and offensive. You should try to ignore the extreme reactions and focus on the situation as it is and stop feigning outrage.

 

[northstar]

It's a mockery. A reverse Sagan move.......

https://twitter.com/velociosports/status/320686414272532480

 

[wiggos sideburn]

It's a mockery. A reverse Sagan move.......

https://twitter.com/velociosports/status/320686414272532480

haha that's funny how dare she sexually harass that poor young man, she should apologise and there should be no more podium boys

 

[jens_attacks]

It's a mockery. A reverse Sagan move.......

https://twitter.com/velociosports/status/320686414272532480

she's raping the hell of that guy
i demand an intervention from the Holy Cyclingnews Forum Army right now

 

[rhubroma]

Slavic language? which one is that?

The one I said among the others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_language

 

[ElChingon]

It's a mockery. A reverse Sagan move.......

https://twitter.com/velociosports/status/320686414272532480

So where's her Youtube FB apology

This Tweet above should be the take home message for all those with their panties in a bunch.

 

[IndianCyclist]

I recall he did mention her by name in his twitter apology. He seemed sincerely remorseful about his actions. In my heart I think he is just a young guy who made a dreadful error in judgement. He seems like a good hearted person that made a youthful mistake. From what I've read in this or the other related thread he was egged on to do it by someone he knows in a position of authority that was in the audience in front of the podium. This doesn't relieve him of responsibility but it does give an insight into the culture or environment he is surrounded by if this type of behavior is encouraged.

Then i apologize for my post but i feel that he should have done more. A personal apology rather than via twitter or any other media. The lady in question should be saying that he apologized. A person is responsible for his own actions whether egged on or not.

 

[northstar]

Then i apologize for my post but i feel that he should have done more. A personal apology rather than via twitter or any other media. The lady in question should be saying that he apologized. A person is responsible for his own actions whether egged on or not.

No need to apologize for your post.

Sagan apologized by twitter and video. See post #152 for his video apology if you haven’t seen it. The podium girl Maja responded to his apology with this tweet:

@MajaLeye What happened on Sunday was wrong. I hope this never happens again. But I'm sure it won't...excuses accepted @petosagan #flanders

His team sponsor Cannondale issued a statement on April 1, 2013.

Message from Bob Burbank, Global General Manager, Cannondale: There have been a lot of conversations around Peter Sagan today. I can tell you as the General Manager of the brand that I don’t condone or tolerate this behavior for any reason with any athletes whether they are on or off the bike. I also believe that professional athletes are an extension of the brands they represent and affect people’s impression of the industry. Our brand is built on fun, passion and excitement for cycling but it also must include respect for everyone involved in the sport. It’s my expectation that all of our athletes behave accordingly. Peter understands the impact of and accepts full responsibility for his actions.

Hopefully Sagan has learned a lesson and will treat the podium girls with more respect in the future.

 

[plooton]

It's a mockery. A reverse Sagan move.......

https://twitter.com/velociosports/status/320686414272532480

Honestly, I would't feel offended by that. Nice lady attracted by my ****, why not feel happy. It would only surprised me as it's generally inappropriate (in public). If felt it undesired simply would say not to touch me. I wouldn't consider that act as misuse of her superior position or whatever.

For fun (this would be a slightly different story; a little bit too active podium girl): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKs-V2bl_Ow

 

[plooton]

It's a mockery. A reverse Sagan move.......

https://twitter.com/velociosports/status/320686414272532480

And thanx, finally I have my avatar

 

[bissib]

And another one