Netserk said:
I'm a poster like everyone else. What I did was *not* baiting nor 'borderline'. As a mod I will try my hardest to follow the rules, but that doesn't mean I have to be holier than thou. When I post I post as a poster. Just as I did before being a mod. If you have a problem with how I am as a mod, then take it to the moderators thread.
I think moderators should maintain high standards of posting. By the content of your posts, I think it's clear we disagree on that. No more need be said on this thread.
Which isn't a difference really, since the action by Sagan also was a joke.
Really not sure whether you're actually this dim or just being wilfully stupid, but not all jokes are the same. A deeply racist joke is not the moral equivalent of a goofy knock-knock joke. In the same vein a joke that was only funny because it crossed a line it shouldn't have with regards to someone's bodily integrity is different from a joke regarding the week's events in cycling.
This is utter sexism. It doesn't effing matter whether it was done by or to a woman or man.
I think they're both wrong, but one is more wrong. For cultural reasons it is more of a violation to do the same thing to a woman than it is to a man. Just like, for example, placing your hand on a man's chest is not seen as sexual while placing it on a woman's chest is. For those reasons there is a very different attitude regarded the extent to which consent can be assumed for that action.
The gulf is undoubtedly smaller when it comes to the bum, but I believe it still exists. Society places pressure on women to maintain an image of purity in many circumstances - men who have many sexual partners are not treated the same as women who do. Because of this difference I think that it is more likely that a woman will have an issue with a bum pinch than a man will, and hence what Sagan did isn't okay.
So??? That doesn't change the action.
It is not just about the action, it is about how the action is interpreted and what it means in different contexts. The differences here mean that the context changes depending on who is doing it to who.
Doesn't make it one bit worse or better.
Why not?
It is the same except for one thing and one thing only (and it isn't because of the genders). Sagan's action was a joke, and the woman's action was a meta-joke.
The social relations between people interacting have an effect on what the interaction means and the rights and wrongs of it.
IMO they are equally appropriate. I don't think that either was inappropriate.
And to me that says a lot about you.
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