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Dekker_Tifosi said:Kruijswijk is pretty much the proof of how much recuperation counts.
5,7w/kg in the first week, dropped by manu
5,7w/kg in the final week, dropped by only Landa
In the GTs, the riders constantly lose a little bit of weight. Unlikely that he will be at the same p/w ratioDekker_Tifosi said:Kruijswijk is pretty much the proof of how much recuperation counts.
5,7w/kg in the first week, dropped by manu
5,7w/kg in the final week, dropped by only Landa
IndianCyclist said:In the GTs, the riders constantly lose a little bit of weight. Unlikely that he will be at the same p/w ratioDekker_Tifosi said:Kruijswijk is pretty much the proof of how much recuperation counts.
5,7w/kg in the first week, dropped by manu
5,7w/kg in the final week, dropped by only Landa
Dear Wiggo said:Endurance exercise is catabolic. Racing endurance - in a GT? Placing 13th!? Gained 2kg of muscle? Riding the Giro. For Astana? Seems legit. #notbutter
Holy crap he only lost 4 seconds to Wiggo over 54km in that 2013 Giro.![]()
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Haven't seen much of him since?
I appreciate the mention of the rider, but that's about as dodgy as you could look, surely?
Dear Wiggo said:Haven't seen much of him since?
I appreciate the mention of the rider, but that's about as dodgy as you could look, surely?
Agree and i thought the only way to gain that much muscle mass in so short a time is thru bodybuilding(i.e intense anaerobic exercises). Even LA never gave the increase in Muscles theory but rather reduction in weight.lenric said:It's impossible to lose fat mass and gain muscle mass at the same time. To win muscle mass, you must be on a caloric surplus, since that's the only way of putting on weight. To loose fat mass, you must be on a caloric deficit.
It is, however, possible to loose fat mass relatively, as in, if you maintain your fat mass and increase your muscle mass, your fat mass % will go down. If, on the other hand, you loose more fat mass than muscle mass, your fat mass % will go down as well.
Wiggins had a puncture and needed a bike change, still dodgy of courseDear Wiggo said:Endurance exercise is catabolic. Racing endurance - in a GT? Placing 13th!? Gained 2kg of muscle? Riding the Giro. For Astana? Seems legit. #notbutter
Holy crap he only lost 4 seconds to Wiggo over 54km in that 2013 Giro.![]()
![]()
Haven't seen much of him since?
I appreciate the mention of the rider, but that's about as dodgy as you could look, surely?
lenric said:It's impossible to lose fat mass and gain muscle mass at the same time. To win muscle mass, you must be on a caloric surplus, since that's the only way of putting on weight. To loose fat mass, you must be on a caloric deficit.
It is, however, possible to loose fat mass relatively, as in, if you maintain your fat mass and increase your muscle mass, your fat mass % will go down. If, on the other hand, you loose more fat mass than muscle mass, your fat mass % will go down as well.
Eagle said:Wiggins had a puncture and needed a bike change, still dodgy of courseDear Wiggo said:Endurance exercise is catabolic. Racing endurance - in a GT? Placing 13th!? Gained 2kg of muscle? Riding the Giro. For Astana? Seems legit. #notbutter
Holy crap he only lost 4 seconds to Wiggo over 54km in that 2013 Giro.![]()
![]()
Haven't seen much of him since?
I appreciate the mention of the rider, but that's about as dodgy as you could look, surely?
The_Cheech said:lenric said:It's impossible to lose fat mass and gain muscle mass at the same time. To win muscle mass, you must be on a caloric surplus, since that's the only way of putting on weight. To loose fat mass, you must be on a caloric deficit.
It is, however, possible to loose fat mass relatively, as in, if you maintain your fat mass and increase your muscle mass, your fat mass % will go down. If, on the other hand, you loose more fat mass than muscle mass, your fat mass % will go down as well.
This is so NOT true it's not even funny. It IS possible to lose body fat and gain muscle mass.
When I was going to college I put on about 10 pounds of solid muscle, and lost about 10-15 pounds of body fat, in about a year and a half. All I did was work out and a 30-minute dusk stroll through the local park.
lenric said:The_Cheech said:lenric said:It's impossible to lose fat mass and gain muscle mass at the same time. To win muscle mass, you must be on a caloric surplus, since that's the only way of putting on weight. To loose fat mass, you must be on a caloric deficit.
It is, however, possible to loose fat mass relatively, as in, if you maintain your fat mass and increase your muscle mass, your fat mass % will go down. If, on the other hand, you loose more fat mass than muscle mass, your fat mass % will go down as well.
This is so NOT true it's not even funny. It IS possible to lose body fat and gain muscle mass.
When I was going to college I put on about 10 pounds of solid muscle, and lost about 10-15 pounds of body fat, in about a year and a half. All I did was work out and a 30-minute dusk stroll through the local park.
lol. It's true and it is scientifically proven. Moreover, I measured myself 26 times a year (every 2 weeks) through bioelectric impedance when in a workout program. I built muscle when I was in a caloric surplus and I lost fat mass (and some muscle mass) when I was in a caloric deficit.
You probably had months where you lost fat mass and other months where you built muscle mass, but it is impossible to do it simultaneously, there's no way around. Period.
Huh? It's the second fastest time ever. I don't think anyone thinks you have to break the records for a climbing time to be impressive...roundabout said:63 minutes for Landa on Finestre. Obviously clean according to people who look only at VAM.
VAM on a dirtroad is as usefull as, well, uhhhhhh...roundabout said:it works out to a rather unimpressive seeming 1600 m/h VAM and something like 5.5 W/kg though
which is why context matters