Power Data Estimates for the climbing stages

[Bavarianrider]

Quintanas time of 40:15 meas he would have done Alpe in 38:50 if we assume the same weather conditions. Make of it what you will.

 

[Escarabajo]

His performance was very similar to Alpe 2013 and he was very young at the Tour.

 

[Durden93]

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If the numbers are right, either there was some sort of latent factor or the peloton is on jet fuel this year.

Well, it's hardly the only super performance so far. It's been a fast year.

Fair enough, but I'm not sure that results in a week long stage race are indicative of a racer form. Riders use them for different purposes.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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His performance was very similar to Alpe 2013 and he was very young at the Tour.

He was, but he was climbing incredibly well in that last week on Alpe d' Huez (he was the strongest of the favourites) and obviously the stage he won to Semnoz, beating Froome and J-Rod with Contador 3 minutes down the mountain.

 

[SeriousSam]

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Jens says this was the same as Froome psm, which is incredible really. I don't think Nairo has that much more room to improve until he reaches his peak. It means that effectively all the top 5 were doing 6w/kg or thereabouts. They are all in great shape. The Giro is still open I think.

Froome at PSM and Ax3 managed to put at least a minute into the next best rider though.

In the end, it's the relative performance that counts, how much better you are than the others. I remain skeptical how useful it is to compare w/kg across climbs and races. If we teleport today's Quintana into the PSM stage, does he finish s.t with Froome? Perhaps. Teleport this Giro's Quintana into the 2015 Tour and I think he'll finish where he did back then at PSM. Or perhaps only 30 seconds down. He might have reached a new level this year.

 

[meat puppet]

Vetooo (@ammattipyoraily) estimated 40min @ 6,2w/kg for quintana. Not very encouraging, though it was a one climb stage early on in a GT.

PSM stuff basically.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Well Dumoulin's velon data was this:

Note: this was just the attack bit (from 5km to 3km approx)

This was Quintana

In pure power output Dumoulin is looking good for the TT.

 

[Escarabajo]

He looked really good on the bike. You could see that he was feeling good. Maybe he improved a little bit compared to his best moments of the past but not by much if we go with the data.

The difference with Quintana is not his power output in climbs like yesterday. The difference is that he can put that same power output (6-6.2 watts/kg) in the third week of racing. Is simple. very hard to do.

 

[Red Rick]

Quintanas time of 40:15 meas he would have done Alpe in 38:50 if we assume the same weather conditions. Make of it what you will.

How is that?

Anyway, very good performance. But power outputs have been through the roof all year long.

 

[Volderke]

Quintanas time of 40:15 meas he would have done Alpe in 38:50 if we assume the same weather conditions. Make of it what you will.

I will make nothing of your comment because it is not supported with any backing for your claim.

 

[Cookster15]

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Well Dumoulin's velon data was this:

Note: this was just the attack bit (from 5km to 3km approx)

This was Quintana

In pure power output Dumoulin is looking good for the TT.

A good prediction supported by data. Well done. Interesting that according to those tables Dumoulin was 6 secs faster than Quintana over the last 5km of Blockhaus.

 

[SeriousSam]

I doubt they completed the last 5km in about 7 minutes.

 

[Cookster15]

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I doubt they completed the last 5km in about 7 minutes.

Obviously the distance isn't right - 5km in less than 7mins on that climb is physically impossible. But the indicator of TT results was spot on and is there any accurate verification of the times over the last 5k of Blockhaus as that would be a useful indicator in predicting TD's chances of holding on to Milan or not.

 

[el_angliru]

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I doubt they completed the last 5km in about 7 minutes.

See:

Note: this was just the attack bit (from 5km to 3km approx)

 

[Red Rick]

Verbier or thereabouts?

 

[Brullnux]

6.7 w/kg apparently. It was only 20 minutes but still.

Only 30 seconds slower than the pirate.

 

[SeriousSam]

Minimal gaps to the other though. Entire field was quick today. Short __/ stage after an active recovery sprint stage with Movistar setting a sharp tempo from the bottom of the climb.

 

[kingjr]

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6.7 w/kg apparently. It was only 20 minutes but still.

Only 30 seconds slower than the pirate.

Without the mechanical, I'm pretty sure. I had the '99 footage and todays' stage running parrallel.

 

[Brullnux]

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Minimal gaps to the other though. Entire field was quick today. Short __/ stage after an active recovery sprint stage with Movistar setting a sharp tempo from the bottom of the climb.

Big gaps considering the climb though.

 

[rick james]

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Minimal gaps to the other though. Entire field was quick today. Short __/ stage after an active recovery sprint stage with Movistar setting a sharp tempo from the bottom of the climb.

Yes, context is king

 

[meat puppet]

Context includes many aspects. One of them: only pantani has climbed oropa faster than dumoulin.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/865976795555921921

 

[Bavarianrider]

1. 1999: 17:04 Marco Pantani 23.55 km/h
2. 2017: 17:37 Tom Dumoulin 22.82 km/h
3. 2017: 17:40 Ilnur Zakarin 22.75 km/h
4. 2017: 17:46 Mikel Landa 22.63 km/h
5. 1999: 17:50 Laurent Jalabert 22.54 km/h
6. 2017: 17:51 Nairo Quintana 22.52 km/h
7. 1999: 18:04 Gilberto Simoni 22.25 km/h
8. 1999: 18:07 Ivan Gotti 22.19 km/h
9. 1999: 18:07 Daniel Clavero 22.19 km/h
10. 1993: 18:12 Piotr Ugrumov 22.09 km/h
11. 2007: 18:12 Leonardo Piepoli 22.09 km/h
12. 2017: 18:12 Thibaut Pinot 22.09 km/h
13. 1999: 18:13 Nicola Miceli 22.07 km/h
14. 1993: 18:16 Stephen Roche 22.01 km/h
15. 1999: 18:18 Paolo Savoldelli 21.97 km/h
16. 2017: 18:18 Adam Yates 21.97 km/h
17. 2017: 18:20 Vincenzo Nibali 21.93 km/h
18. 2017: 18:20 Franco Pellizotti 21.93 km/h
19. 1993: 18:21 Moreno Argentin 21.91 km/h
20. 1999: 18:23 Andrei Zintchenko 21.87 km/h
21. 2017: 18:23 Steven Kruijswijk 21.87 km/h
22. 2017: 18:23 Tanel Kangert 21.87 km/h
23. 1999: 18:25 Daniele De Paoli 21.83 km/h
24. 1999: 18:26 Davide Rebellin 21.81 km/h
25. 1999: 18:26 Oscar Camenzind 21.81 km/h
26. 1999: 18:26 Massimo Codol 21.81 km/h
27. 2017: 18:27 Domenico Pozzovivo 21.79 km/h
28. 2014: 18:30 Nairo Quintana 21.73 km/h
29. 2007: 18:33 Marzio Bruseghin 21.67 km/h
30. 2014: 18:34 Fabio Aru 21.65 km/h
31. 2014: 18:34 Domenico Pozzovivo 21.65 km/h
32. 1999: 18:37 José Manuel Uria 21.59 km/h
33. 1999: 18:37 Roberto Heras 21.59 km/h
34. 2017: 18:37 Jan Hirt 21.59 km/h
35. 2014: 18:38 Wilco Kelderman 21.57 km/h
36. 2014: 18:38 Rafal Majka 21.57 km/h
37. 1993: 18:42 Claudio Chiappucci 21.50 km/h
38. 1993: 18:45 Pavel Tonkov 21.44 km/h
39. 1993: 18:48 Miguel Indurain 21.38 km/h
40. 2017: 18:49 Sebastien Reichenbach 21.36 km/h
41. 2007: 18:50 Danilo Di Luca 21.35 km/h
42. 2014: 18:50 Wouter Poels 21.35 km/h
43. 2014: 18:50 Cadel Evans 21.35 km/h
44. 2017: 18:51 Patrick Konrad 21.33 km/h
45. 2017: 18:51 Igor Anton 21.33 km/h
46. 2014: 18:55 Rigoberto Uran
47. 2017: 18:56 Rui Costa 21.23 km/h
48. 2017: 18:59 Jan Polanc 21.18 km/h
49. 2017: 18:59 Laurens De Plus 21.18 km/h
50. 2017: 18:59 Bob Jungels 21.18 km/h

 

[webvan]

The ridiculousness of Dumoulin's time is probably only equaled in that list by the presence of Moreno Argentin!

 

[ice&fire]

It looks like there's also evolution out of the sky

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

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