Pros & Cons of a Vegan Diet for Weight Loss & Cycling Performance?

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The Vegetarian Myth also mentions studies comparing life expectancy of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) against those of Seventh-day Adventists. A comparison of those two religious groups is particularly revelatory because both are prohibited from partaking in tobacco, caffeine or alcohol. But SDAs also are expected to keep kosher, and are encouraged to be vegetarian. In a 2002 internal SDA survey, 35% claimed compliance.

Despite the fact that the LDS church neither discourages nor stigmatises eating meat, Mormon men and women live longer on average by 3.7 years and 2.6 years, respectively, than SDA men or women (according to data from Steven Aldana's The Culprit and The Cure: Why lifestyle is the culprit behind America's poor health). Another study of (meat-eating) Mormons living in California who exercised regularly, got enough sleep and did not smoke showed a 70-80% lower incidence of death due to heart disease or cancer than the USA average.
 
elapid said:
Agree. Fat is not the culprit. Despite nearly everything being low fat in Western society, obesity levels continue to climb because of the over-consumption of highly refined carbohydrates and simple sugars.

Not quite true. What's clearly understood is, you need to consume somewhere near the calories you burn in a day.. Fat, sugar, whatever!
 
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DirtyWorks said:
Not quite true. What's clearly understood is, you need to consume somewhere near the calories you burn in a day.. Fat, sugar, whatever!

Not quite true, either. Calories in does not equate to calories out because it depends on the source of these calories (as Ferminal's link above explains as well). Some calories are easier to store and others are easier to burn. Gary Taubes's "Why We Get Fat" does a good job in explaining the fallacy of the calories in-calories out argument. Calories and source of these calories also depends on what your aims are; for instance, fueling for endurance sports or weight loss.
 
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durianrider said:
Looks like Gary Taubes needs to cut back on the bacon.


DR, you can be so boring sometimes. How many times have you dragged out this photo? What does this photo have to do with his very sound nutritional advice? There is much more science behind his recommendations than yours.
 
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lostintime said:
Since he writes books about "Why We Get Fat....." , that's what it has to do with it ... lol.

Yes, but have you read his books? Does it really matter what he looks like, or does the science behind what he writes about matter more? I hope we are not all as superficial as DR to base the validity of his advice on his physical appearance.

Lastly, this one photo gets dredged up every single time, particularly by DR - lighting is poor, angle is poor, and when was the photo taken?
 
With the announcement today that two professional
cyclists have returned adverse analytical findings for
Clenbuterol, that could possibly be explained by the
consumption of tainted meat while in China, perhaps
Mr. DurianRider will be sought out by riders and/or
teams for advice on how to race on a meat free diet.
 
elapid said:
Yes, but have you read his books? Does it really matter what he looks like, or does the science behind what he writes about matter more? I hope we are not all as superficial as DR to base the validity of his advice on his physical appearance.

Lastly, this one photo gets dredged up every single time, particularly by DR - lighting is poor, angle is poor, and when was the photo taken?
There's no point arguing. Ad hominem attacks against the vegan atheists are the linchpin to rationalizing their decision to subsist entirely on sawdust. They seem possessed of the peculiar notion that anyone with more than 2% body fat is a cow, conveniently overlooking the fact that cows practice veganism in its purest form.

All of which brings me back to the single most salient question to the topic of a vegan diet and cycling performance (for about the third time in this tread): How many Grand Tours or Monument Classics have been won by riders on vegan diets? (an exact number is unnecessary, a reasonably accurate estimate will suffice)

Which answers quite succinctly the question posed in the title of the OP. The problem is, that answer doesn't support the vegan delusion.

This thread was never meant to promote the critical examination of that question, it only ever was meant to open a channel for distribution of vegan dogma and propaganda. A sermon to the converted. Opposing viewpoints need not apply.
 
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Great post and thanks for sharing pros and cons of vegan diet for weight loss and cycling performance. Like to say vegan diet not only helps in losing and maintaining body weight but also improve stamina improve general fitness.
 
StyrbjornSterki said:
This thread was never meant to promote the critical examination of that question, it only ever was meant to open a channel for distribution of vegan dogma and propaganda. A sermon to the converted. Opposing viewpoints need not apply.
More to the point, these threads are just spam for his dangerous Youtube channel and website.

Anyway, they'll all eventually die off from pancreatic cancer
 
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If anyOne doesn't like what is being stated here , then if you come here just to argue , debate and cry about it, look nowhere to point the finger than back at yourself.

But oh ..... arguing , debating and crying .... it's so enticing isn't it ? War is he!! indeed .... and yet, the only enemy is within each Man himself. Dine on that for awhile ... or not .
 
Way to go taking me out of context.

Are you just mad that ONLY the youtube videos make of me get any hits?

U mad brah?

Just another faceless troll without the balls to stand up for what you believe in. You flakes are a dime a dozen.

What next 'dogs can't sit down'...

lulz.
 
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durianrider said:
Way to go taking me out of context.


What next 'dogs can't sit down'...

lulz.

OK how about another of your quotes:
"Where's the science that proves jumping off a cliff is bad for you"
http://youtu.be/Rxf2Wt4OeMw

Any bozo with too much spare time can rack up miles. Is that why you don't do real competition anymore? Strava is the only thing you can brag about with all the spare time you have? How can "Cows can't even sit down" be taken out of context anyway?

Interesting that you were still online here at near midnight Adelaide time. I thought you always said that people need to sleep early in the night?
 
Nice stats DR! Thanks for supporting the fact that you can get a nice cycling performance on a vegan diet, against popular (and ignorant) belief.

There isn't any data (that I know of) that supports the idea that one can have an above average (better) racing performance whilst being a vegan. However, there isn't any data that tells the opposite. It all depends on how your body reacts. Some react better to a carnivorous diet, others don't.

If you are a vegan for athletic reasons (not because of ideals and ethics related to animal eating, etc.) then I agree that there is no point in arguing.

For athletes that base their diets purely on professional reasons, it is a matter of finding the one that suits you and your body better. If one concludes that he achieves better results on a meat based diet, he should go for it.


There are lots of successful vegetarian/vegan athletes (Carl Lewis, Robert Parish..), including endurance ones like Dave Scott (the guy that held the record for most Iron Man wins, matched only 8 years later) and many others I can't recall at the moment.