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[CheckMyPecs]

Ryo, you should really provide evidence for your claims that Fabu isn't of Italian descent.

 

[GJB123]

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In his column in a Dutch newspaper Thijs Zonneveld seems pretty certain that Classicomano Luigi refers to Thomas Dekker (with Luigi being a reference to Dekker's trainer Luigi Cecchini)

Cecchini was also Fabian's trainer, at least in 2006.

If Thijs has this info first hand from Thomas, I'm convinced of course.

Who knows, but the fact that he is claiming it publicly is saying something imho.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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In his column in a Dutch newspaper Thijs Zonneveld seems pretty certain that Classicomano Luigi refers to Thomas Dekker (with Luigi being a reference to Dekker's trainer Luigi Cecchini)

Cecchini was also Fabian's trainer, at least in 2006.

If Thijs has this info first hand from Thomas, I'm convinced of course.

so it is thomas dekker then, doesn't surprise me. cecchini was no doping man, but he could get you in contact with someone like fuentes

 

[GJB123]

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Ryo, you should really provide evidence for your claims that Fabu isn't of Italian descent.

Ryo is plain wrong, Fabian is second generation immigrant from Italy. His parents moved to Switzerland from the south of Italy.

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

This Trek Segafredo blog says his father was Italian but Fabian speaks (Swiss) German as his first language:
http://www.treksegafredo.com/blog/behind-stripes-part-6-fabian-cancellara

 

[sniper]

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Who knows, but the fact that he is claiming it publicly is saying something imho.

agreed.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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This Trek Segafredo blog says his father was Italian but Fabian speaks (Swiss) German as his first language:
http://www.treksegafredo.com/blog/behind-stripes-part-6-fabian-cancellara

here exactly

 

[hrotha]

I'm sure Fuentes did a lot of research when assigning his codenames. Anyway, why is it relevant? The theory was that it referred to a client of Luigi Cecchini.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

Dekker wasn't much of a classics specialist, was he?

 

[sniper]

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I'm sure Fuentes did a lot of research when assigning his codenames. Anyway, why is it relevant? The theory was that it referred to a client of Luigi Cecchini.

That leaves quite a bit of room for speculation.
Fabian, Flecha, Dekker, all Cecchini clients.

Dekker wasn't much of a classics specialist, was he?

Exactly, which is why my money is still on Fabian and/or Flecha. (unless Thijs has his info first-hand)

Maybe classicomano and classicomano luigi refer to one and the same rider. (why would Fuentes give almost the same nickname to two different riders)

Maybe Luigi does refer to the mario bros figure.
The similarities with Fabian are striking if you ask me.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

cancellara was also not a classical specialist back around 2005. he only had a 4th and an 8th place in roubaix and for the rest nothing. he was a timetrialist above all else. also he never had a fallback after fuentes in his level of competing, on the contrary, which makes it doubtful for me, although I'm not sticking my hand in the fire. others like basso, thomas dekker, kike gutierrez, mancebo and many more had a serious fallback

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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Exactly, which is why my money is still on Fabian and/or Flecha. (unless Thijs has his info first-hand)

Agreed.

 

[sniper]

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cancellara was also not a classical specialist back around 2005. he only had a 4th and an 8th place in roubaix and for the rest nothing. he was a timetrialist above all else. also he never had a fallback after fuentes in his level of competing, on the contrary, which makes it doubtful for me, although I'm not sticking my hand in the fire. others like basso, thomas dekker, kike gutierrez, mancebo and many more had a serious fallback

fair points.
One 'however':
The nickname "clasicomano" first and foremost implies that the rider *aimed at being/becoming* a classics specialists. Not necessarily that he/she already was one.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

Bala also returned from his ban stronger than ever and, IIRC, it was confirmed he was a Fuentes client.

 

[Pantani Attacks]

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This Trek Segafredo blog says his father was Italian but Fabian speaks (Swiss) German as his first language:
http://www.treksegafredo.com/blog/behind-stripes-part-6-fabian-cancellara

here exactly

A person's first language =/= Native tongue.

Also you contradicted yourself when you were caught out. You said this:

he has a german name, his mother tongue is german and he was born in german schweiz. what more do you want?

Which was debunked here:

Wow, you've made three statements and are objectively wrong on 2 of them. That's an impressive miss rate.

1) Cancellara is an Italian name from Italy, which is why it's a place name in Italy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancellara

2) Cancellara's first language is Italian. It's what he grew up speaking. It's his mother tongue.

Then you backtrack and reword your sh*tty argument:

he grew up speaking german, in german switzerland and his ancestry name is meaningless. I have a last name suggesting I might be german, the first name says a lot more, which is also german in cancellara's case, he also speaks german at home all the time, according to the trek segafredo docu

So first "his mother tongue is german", now he grew up speaking it? Which one is it, because they're not the same. And the latter makes your argument redundant.

Initially you say his name is German and use it as a point for your argument, only to be debunked above and then you say "his ancestry name is meaningless". How fitting that it is meaningless when it doesn't coincide with your illogical argument.

Also Fabian is of Roman origin, it came from Fabianus which in turn relates to the famous Roman family Fabius. So Fabian is not German, it too like his surname is of Italian/Roman origin.

Take the L...

 

[hrotha]

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Cancellara does have a German name: Fabian. Not Fabiano. Of course it's of Latin origin, but would you say "Mikel" is not a Basque name just because it's ultimately of Hebrew origin?

cancellara was also not a classical specialist back around 2005. he only had a 4th and an 8th place in roubaix and for the rest nothing. he was a timetrialist above all else. also he never had a fallback after fuentes in his level of competing, on the contrary, which makes it doubtful for me, although I'm not sticking my hand in the fire. others like basso, thomas dekker, kike gutierrez, mancebo and many more had a serious fallback

fair points.
One 'however':
The nickname "clasicomano" first and foremost implies that the rider *aimed at being/becoming* a classics specialists. Not necessarily that he/she already was one.

That's not how the word "clasicómano" is used in Spanish cycling jargon. It means "classics specialist", not "classics enthusiast".

 

[sniper]

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That's not how the word "clasicómano" is used in Spanish cycling jargon. It means "classics specialist", not "classics enthusiast".

thanks for clarifying.

 

[blackcat]

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cancellara was also not a classical specialist back around 2005. he only had a 4th and an 8th place in roubaix and for the rest nothing. he was a timetrialist above all else. also he never had a fallback after fuentes in his level of competing, on the contrary, which makes it doubtful for me, although I'm not sticking my hand in the fire. others like basso, thomas dekker, kike gutierrez, mancebo and many more had a serious fallback

BS on Thomas Dekker, Dekker was a GC man, Tirreno A. not much scope on the one-day front, so if he is a classicomano in Fuentes fridge alliterationz, then... Spartacus would be too

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

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So first "his mother tongue is german", now he grew up speaking it? Which one is it, because they're not the same. And the latter makes your argument redundant.

According to the Trek Segafredo blog and an interview with the president of his Flemish fan club, his mother is German-speaking Swiss. So German is quite literally his mother tongue. And he grew up speaking it.

 

[roundabout]

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so, back to Jorg's tweet.
5 DSs.
2 TV commentators.

Present or future DS ? If future, Fabian and Fränk are good candidates, plus maybe Cioni, Bettini if JJ considers him as a DS. 2 TV Commentators ? My guess is Flecha for sure, who else ? Jalabert ?

Can I suggest starting with former Liberty Seguros riders first? Jaksche should know most about them.

One of them is even a TV commentator now as far as I know.

 

[blackcat]

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so, back to Jorg's tweet.
5 DSs.
2 TV commentators.

Present or future DS ? If future, Fabian and Fränk are good candidates, plus maybe Cioni, Bettini if JJ considers him as a DS. 2 TV Commentators ? My guess is Flecha for sure, who else ? Jalabert ?

Can I suggest starting with former Liberty Seguros riders first? Jaksche should know most about them.

One of them is even a TV commentator now as far as I know.

or Libertine Seguros, she knows more than 99.99999% of folx in cycling, save p'raps a few flemish commentators and insiders.

 

[classicomano]

After this exchange Grabsch blocked Zonneveld from twitter. He also seems pretty certain about Flecha being classicomano, and Dekker being classicomano Luigi.

 

[classicomano]

Oh yeah, codename Gemma is linked to none other than Remmert Wielinga, who was training with Cecchini together with Dekker at some point and was presumably spotted at a hotel where Fuentes was doing transfusions. God knows what was in those transfusionbags though, it couldnt have been very good.

 

[sniper]

Good stuff from Zonneveld.
Hope he keeps a high level of scrutiny.

 

[King Boonen]

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This Trek Segafredo blog says his father was Italian but Fabian speaks (Swiss) German as his first language:
http://www.treksegafredo.com/blog/behind-stripes-part-6-fabian-cancellara

Where?