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[altark123]

Big Win in Basque

Hats off to Horner.

 

[flicker]

To the haters, Bow down to a winner in an"Easy Race" Pais Vasco"

You can hang your hate hat on Chris Horners Radio Shack victory.

Go shack go horner.

 

[flicker]

oh I am sorry haters, I pronounced it wrong its "Retirement Shack"

Verdad?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

To the haters, Bow down to a winner in an"Easy Race" Pais Vasco"

You can hang your hate hat on Chris Horners Radio Shack victory.

Go shack go horner.

Well, if you were following the race thread you will notice most people were happy for Horner and his great win today.

There is more to TRS than one rider, which is the way it should be.

The only person who has 'hate' around here is you.........but hey, whatever floats your boat.

 

[Ripper]

Glad to see Horner take it and win a SR ... it's been a while for him. Also happy in who he beat on the way. If he can keep the rubber down, he could have a great year

Having said this, it is still Geri-Shack, and Pharmstrong's ego is still at the helm.

And on one more note - oooooooo, Flicker is baiting by calling people haters, oooooooooo. Flicker, take a deep breath and think calming thoughts of lillies or something; don't think hate, think love for f*cks sake.

 

[flicker]

Well, if you were following the race thread you will notice most people were happy for Horner and his great win today.

There is more to TRS than one rider, which is the way it should be.

The only person who has 'hate' around here is you.........but hey, whatever floats your boat.

M. thank you for not being a hater. Being an American and a cycling fan it is difficult for me to see people gloating over RS riders crashes, toilet problems, jersey design, bike sponsers,and making homosexual comments about the RS riders and team.

Those were the "haters" I was addressing.

 

[peloton]

I wanna see all the shack haters commenting on Horner crushing the much younger competition today.

that belongs to the clinic for obvious reasons.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Glad to see Horner take it and win a SR ... it's been a while for him.

Yeah, 38 years is a long time to find your best form.
Still, as you say, he did dethrone Piti, which can't be bad.

Guess we know the other 38YO will by flying, come July.
Let's hope they don't make it look too obvious.

I wonder what this elixir of youth is?
Certainly has changed the dynamic of the modern peloton.
It allows for a two year holiday, should the need arise and you still get to pull in a wage for longer than was previously the norm.

 

[kurtinsc]

I do find it funny that when Fredrigo puts up a great TT to hold the Criterium Internationale win... it's just a great ride. No mention to the fact he was normally outside the top 30 in most TT's he's rode in his career.

When Horner, who's finished in the top 15 of some fairly well contested TT's has a great ride to win... something fishy must be going on.

I'm really okay with people thinking both would be fishy... or both were just great rides. But picking one great ride as "natural" and another as "assisted" simply due to the team a rider is competing for always gets on my nerves a bit. Some consistency would be nice.

 

[flicker]

I do not know what makes the old guys tick. Perhaps an extra glass of Gerlsteiner?>
I wonder what this elixir of youth is?
Certainly has changed the dynamic of the modern peloton.
It allows for a two year holiday, should the need arise and you still get to pull in a wage for longer than was previously the norm.

 

[kurtinsc]

Yeah, 38 years is a long time to find your best form.
Still, as you say, he did dethrone Piti, which can't be bad.

Guess we know the other 38YO will by flying, come July.
Let's hope they don't make it look too obvious.

I wonder what this elixir of youth is?
Certainly has changed the dynamic of the modern peloton.
It allows for a two year holiday, should the need arise and you still get to pull in a wage for longer than was previously the norm.

Just a point on Horner... he's had very few opportunities to ride for himself outside of the US. While he's older... he's not that experienced at the top level of racing. He's only been on non-US only teams since 2005, and it's only been the last 3 years or so he's had any real ability to ride for himself rather then for others.

I can't remember any stage races where he was the leader other then this one and the Vuelta last year (where he crashed out early). Perhaps there were others I don't remember.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I do find it funny that when Fredrigo puts up a great TT to hold the Criterium Internationale win... it's just a great ride. No mention to the fact he was normally outside the top 30 in most TT's he's rode in his career.

When Horner, who's finished in the top 15 of some fairly well contested TT's has a great ride to win... something fishy must be going on.

I'm really okay with people thinking both would be fishy... or both were just great rides. But picking one great ride as "natural" and another as "assisted" simply due to the team a rider is competing for always gets on my nerves a bit. Some consistency would be nice.

That is a good point, both are great rides that smell a bit like fish wrap, but Fedrigo is French so maybe not so many are as emotionally invested? In fact some people don't even know how to spell his name.

 

[issoisso]

I do find it funny that when Fredrigo puts up a great TT to hold the Criterium Internationale win... it's just a great ride. No mention to the fact he was normally outside the top 30 in most TT's he's rode in his career.

When Horner, who's finished in the top 15 of some fairly well contested TT's has a great ride to win... something fishy must be going on.

I'm really okay with people thinking both would be fishy... or both were just great rides. But picking one great ride as "natural" and another as "assisted" simply due to the team a rider is competing for always gets on my nerves a bit. Some consistency would be nice.

No Kurt. It's not a lack of consistency. It's just logic.

Fédrigo has been reasonably fast in a TT in the few occasions where he needed to be.
Most of the time he's slow because he's never fighting for GC time. Most riders don't go 100% in a TT because they have no reason to. In the very rare occasions where he had a reason to, Fédrigo has decent performances.

Horner, on the other hand, has been fabulously slow in the past whenever he needed to be fast. Yet somehow today he was brilliant.

The consistency's there.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Fedrigo didn't come close to winning the Criterium ITT.
It was also less than half today's distance.

Many of us have seen a lot of CH riding in Europe.
He showed his best form in the 2005 Tour of Switzerland, soloing to a stage win and finishing 5th in the GC, but losing time in the ITT.
Was his best year to date, at 33.

Was a solid, rather than spectacular domestique for Cadel, at Lotto. (at least better than Cadel rated him!)

5th in the GC Romandie 2007.
The two Swiss results were his career best major GCs............until today.

This is why some of us a scratching our heads in disbelief.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Fedrigo didn't come close to winning the Criterium ITT.
It was also less than half today's distance.

Many of us have seen a lot of CH riding in Europe.
He showed his best form in the 2005 Tour of Switzerland, soloing to a stage win and finishing 5th in the GC, but losing time in the ITT.
Was his best year to date, at 33.

Was a solid, rather than spectacular domestique for Cadel, at Lotto. (at least better than Cadel rated him!)

5th in the GC Romandie 2007.
The two Swiss results were his career best major GCs............until today.

This is why some of us a scratching our heads in disbelief.

Doesn't help his case that he is doing it on 'miracle worker" Bruyneel's team.
Guys always seem to get much faster against the clock once they join up with Bruyneel.

 

[Joey_J]

TT

This TT was about who could climb the best not TT the best. CH was the best climber this week.

 

[Cerberus]

This TT was about who could climb the best not TT the best. CH was the best climber this week.

Which he has never been before in his life either, leading us back to the question of why a 38 year old is suddenly experiencing a dramatically enhanced performance?

 

[Joey_J]

Horner

maybe he's always been clean and now there's less doping. That answer always works when you like the rider, right?

Where's the outrage with Voigt, or Freire or Millar. Voight was only a little behind the "worlds greatest cyclist" in PN and he's older than both.

 

[altark123]

By many accounts this wasn't a specialists' time trial but more of a climber/strongest rider type which he was.

 

[BroDeal]

Was a solid, rather than spectacular domestique for Cadel, at Lotto. (at least better than Cadel rated him!)

He did well for Evans, but he was obviously riding for his own position in the GC. When he was dropped from Evans group while climbing, he gave everything to limit his losses. This was undoubtedly because his contract was up at the end of the season and he felt he was underpaid since coming back to Europe.

Cadel probably could have given up $100K of his own salary to retain Horner, and he would would have won the 2008 Tour.

 

[Cerberus]

maybe he's always been clean and now there's less doping. That answer always works when you like the rider, right?

There're no riders I like so much it interferes with my cynicism.

Where's the outrage with Voigt, or Freire or Millar. Voight was only a little behind the "worlds greatest cyclist" in PN and he's older than both.

first of all I'm not sure if any of those riders have made similarly dramatic performance gains. Secondly I don't recall saying that any of those riders are clean.

 

[bianchigirl]

Voigt, Freire and Millar have all been consistently successful throughout their careers - even Fedrigo has won at Avenir, Dauphine and the Tour. Voigt and Millar have never been slouches at the TT either.

It's amusing to me that Horner - a domestic racer with precious little experience of the upper echelons of pro racing before 2005 - then had his previous best season with Saunier Duval and now, at 38, has discovered form that men 10 years younger would envy. Amazing what shutting your mouth and taking the money and whatever else will get you (and, as a single dad, it's all about the money for Horner). Whichever way you sniff it, this win stinks.

 

[karlboss]

Voigt, Freire and Millar have all been consistently successful throughout their careers - even Fedrigo has won at Avenir, Dauphine and the Tour. Voigt and Millar have never been slouches at the TT either.

It's amusing to me that Horner - a domestic racer with precious little experience of the upper echelons of pro racing before 2005 - then had his previous best season with Saunier Duval and now, at 38, has discovered form that men 10 years younger would envy. Amazing what shutting your mouth and taking the money and whatever else will get you (and, as a single dad, it's all about the money for Horner). Whichever way you sniff it, this win stinks.

More than Valverde winning?

 

[Polish]

Whichever way you sniff it, this win stinks.

You guys crack me up...
The stench is in the nose of the beholder....

C'mon - this course was very well suited to Horner,

and he was only one of a handful of riders who dug deep
into their suitcase's of courage today,

All that said - HORNER was awesome today.

Oh and BTW....Horner kicked Piti's keester in the 2007 TdF Albi TT

1 Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) Astana 1.06.34 (48.661 km/h)
2 Cadel Evans (Aus) Predictor - Lotto 1.14
3 Andreas Klöden (Ger) Astana 1.39
4 Andrey Kashechkin (Kaz) Astana 1.44
5 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Cofidis - Le Crédit 2.14
6 Yaroslav Popovych (Ukr) Discovery Channel Team 2.16
7 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Discovery Channel Team 2.18
.
11 Michael Rasmussen (Den) Rabobank 2.55
. 3.23
20 David Millar (GBr) Saunier Duval - Prodir 3.27
.
30 Chris Horner (USA) Predictor - Lotto 4.21
.
.
36 Jens Voigt (Ger) Team CSC 4.57
.
47 Alejandro Valverde Belmonte (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne 6.08
.
49 Bert Grabsch (Ger) T-Mobile Team 6.12
.
66 Pierrick Fedrigo (Fra) Bouygues Telecom 7.24
.
.

107 Fabian Cancellara (Swi) Team CSC 8.45

 

[auscyclefan94]

You guys crack me up...
The stench is in the nose of the beholder....

C'mon - this course was very well suited to Horner,

and he was only one of a handful of riders who dug deep
into their suitcase's of courage today,

All that said - HORNER was awesome today.

Oh and BTW....Horner kicked Piti's keester in the 2007 TdF Albi TT

1 Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) Astana 1.06.34 (48.661 km/h)
2 Cadel Evans (Aus) Predictor - Lotto 1.14
3 Andreas Klöden (Ger) Astana 1.39
4 Andrey Kashechkin (Kaz) Astana 1.44
5 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Cofidis - Le Crédit 2.14
6 Yaroslav Popovych (Ukr) Discovery Channel Team 2.16
7 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Discovery Channel Team 2.18
.
11 Michael Rasmussen (Den) Rabobank 2.55
. 3.23
20 David Millar (GBr) Saunier Duval - Prodir 3.27
.
30 Chris Horner (USA) Predictor - Lotto 4.21
.
.
36 Jens Voigt (Ger) Team CSC 4.57
.
47 Alejandro Valverde Belmonte (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne 6.08
.
49 Bert Grabsch (Ger) T-Mobile Team 6.12
.
66 Pierrick Fedrigo (Fra) Bouygues Telecom 7.24
.
.

107 Fabian Cancellara (Swi) Team CSC 8.45

Some people just don't get it!