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Race Radio said:
Commentators at the time said that the amount was inconsistent with a cream

Commentators, huh? Do you have a source?

Every team that enters the Tour has to make a detailed list of all medical products they will be traveling with while in France. This includes prescribed products and over the counter medicines. In 1999 USPS had the largest list by far with 126 different products. According to the spokesperson for the agency in charge of this process none of these products contained Cemalyt, the Cortisone that Armstrong tested positive for. This should be no surprise as Armstrong himself signed a form stating that he was not using the cream.....it was only after he tested positive that his story changed.

Yeah I know that. That's why he felt he needed a backdated TUE, it seems.
 
Eyjafjallajokull said:
It was still such a small amount it would not have been of use for recovery after the prologue.

Come on. Trace amounts can exist because trace amounts were ingested, or because someone ingested a boatload some time previously. If there were only trace amounts as stated by the UCI (and there is ample reason to question the validity of anything they said in this case), then all we know is that the UCI said were trace amounts. We know nothing about how much was actually ingested or applied or used.
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
She didn't "speak out" -as with others on the team like, Stephen Swart, Frankie Andreu, Max Testa, Prentice Steffen and Andy Hampsten she gave an interview to DW and she confirmed what was going on in the team.

But I mean something must of happened for her to do the interview and confirm the suspicions going on.
 

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craig1985 said:
But I mean something must of happened for her to do the interview and confirm the suspicions going on.

Why should she not confirm what was going on?

Many others had come forward and she was not part of the 'medical side' of the team so she did not expect her admissions to be central to the book - which, while interesting, they weren't.
 
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I wet myself reading this...

@johnabruyneel
To Clarify: Li has immediately been suspended by the team. B sample is being tested. We need to follow the procedures before further action.

(it gets better)

Still in shock about yesterday, but still need to let due process take it's course.
 

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Race Radio said:
Translation: This is extortion. Wonder what the "donation" will be this year?

Actually, I thought the tweets would be.....

@Li "Still a lot to learn"

or

"There is no 'Li' in team (B sample pending)"
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
Why should she not confirm what was going on?

Many others had come forward and she was not part of the 'medical side' of the team so she did not expect her admissions to be central to the book - which, while interesting, they weren't.

You have a well paying job, would you just throw it all away because some journalist asked you, when you could just tell him to "**** off, it's none of your business" instead? For no reason whatsoever?

I'm being too simplistic I think, but generally you would do the interview or confirm what was going on if you disagreed with how things were being done, or an extremely honest person, who again I would think you would disagree with PED use. IMO anyway.

No?
 

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You have a well paying job, would you just throw it all away because some journalist asked you, when you could just tell him to "**** off, it's none of your business" instead? For no reason whatsoever?

I'm being too simplistic I think, but generally you would do the interview or confirm what was going on if you disagreed with how things were being done, or an extremely honest person, who again I would think you would disagree with PED use. IMO anyway.

No?

Actually, she left her 'well paid job' with USPS in 2000- this might be the answer to your second paragraph as it was long before she did her interview.
I know she said she hoped it might change what cycling had become, but felt it wouldn't.

Also you imply that she knew there was a doping system in place in USPS - she was not part of the medical team of USPS.
She certainly was suspicious and in particular of some of the new 'soigneurs' that arrived with Bruyneel at the end of 1998. Also she was asked to deliver a 'medical product' to LA in France.

In From Lance To Landis it is the former riders who reveal the doping system within the team. EOR's only major contribution is that she confirmed the story of the backdated TUE for the corticoids at the 99 Tour.
 
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Clenbuterol is an old acquaintance. I think 20 years ago, a few (East) German athletes (Katrin Krabbe IIRC?) tested positive. It's not really a steroid, but apparently has anabolic effects. Strange to see something like that still in use. You have to remember that it really isn't made for human consumption, it's mostly for veterinary use.

Anyway, I think the whole affaire is a friendly reminder to RS. Maybe the Hog was a few days late posting the check? Or it was less than what Pat expected?
 
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Joey_J said:
This is from the official TdF communiqué in 99. I’m sure everybody saw the press conference which explained the same thing.

>Lance Armstrong, the yellow jersey holder in the 86th Tour de France was tested on July 4 at 17.00 after the first stage of the Tour between Montaigu and Challans. The test was done by the Laboratoire national de lutte contre le dopage (LNLD) at Châtenay-Malabry (Hauts-de-Seine), and they detected traces of triamcinolone acétonide, a synthetic corticoid in the urine. However, the analysis was not declared positive, the testosterone ratio for epitestosterone being too low to warrant a positive finding. It was 0.2, when the limit after which a positive test is returned is fixed at 6.<




Joey_J said:
This is from the official TdF communiqué in 99. I’m sure everybody saw the press conference which explained the same thing.

>Lance Armstrong, the yellow jersey holder in the 86th Tour de France was tested on July 4 at 17.00 after the first stage of the Tour between Montaigu and Challans. The test was done by the Laboratoire national de lutte contre le dopage (LNLD) at Châtenay-Malabry (Hauts-de-Seine), and they detected traces of triamcinolone acétonide, a synthetic corticoid in the urine. However, the analysis was not declared positive, the testosterone ratio for epitestosterone being too low to warrant a positive finding. It was 0.2, when the limit after which a positive test is returned is fixed at 6.<



is this really an official press release by the tour de france?

this text demonstrates some bad scientific understanding:

1 - the bit that goes "(... ) the testosterone ratio for epitestosterone (...)" should read "the testosterone to epitestosterone ratio".

i would assume that the tour de france use professional translators. a professional translator would not translate "rapport testostérone/épitestostérone" to this thing above.


2 - the text is implying that a testosterone/epitestosterone ratio of 0.2 is proof of a non-positive test for triamcinolone. this is plain wrong: from the point of view of a doping test, triamcinolone has nothing to do with testosterone, they are two very distinct molecules, that are detected in two very distinct, and completely different ways.

testosterone is an anabolic, produced naturally by the body. because it is naturally present in the body, the only (cheap) way to dope-test it is via indirect or relative parameters. and the relative parameter of choice is the testosterone/epitestosterone ratio.

triamcinolone is a glucocorticoid drug invented by chemists somewhere in the 1940's or 1950's. since it is not ever naturally present in the body, it can be detected by a straight test. and so the only proof that an athlete has taken triamcinolone is if triamcinolone is found in their sample.

and triamcinolone has absolutely no effect on T, on E or on the T/E ratio (that i've ever, ever read of).

for more information on detection methods, see the annual banned-substance reviews by Dr. Whilhelm Schaenzer.

i would assume that the tour de france more or less just cuts and pastes the scientific information that the AFLD sends them.
so, if this above is a genuine press release by the tour de france, the person who wrote it must have been on a very bad day (or on a mission to exonerate lance armstrong).



also, another thing: a testosterone/epitestosterone ratio of 0.2 makes lance armstrong a rather unusual person. caucasian athletes are generally known to have a T/E ratio of "less than 2" (Martial Saugy et al., Testosterone and Doping Control, Brit. J. Sports. Med. (40), 2006), and the non-athlete, caucasian population usually has a T/E ratio of 1.
the ratio can be lowered artificially, or one can be one of the few people to be born with it, or, why not, have had an illness that lowers it, i don't know. but it's interesting to note that it is at 0.2.
 
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also, another thing: a testosterone/epitestosterone ratio of 0.2 makes lance armstrong a rather unusual person. caucasian athletes are generally known to have a T/E ratio of "less than 2" (Martial Saugy et al., Testosterone and Doping Control, Brit. J. Sports. Med. (40), 2006), and the non-athlete, caucasian population usually has a T/E ratio of 1.
the ratio can be lowered artificially, or one can be one of the few people to be born with it, or, why not, have had an illness that lowers it, i don't know. but it's interesting to note that it is at 0.2.

I guess he went a little over the top with masking. I wonder what his steroid profile looks nowadays.
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
Actually, she left her 'well paid job' with USPS in 2000- this might be the answer to your second paragraph as it was long before she did her interview.
I know she said she hoped it might change what cycling had become, but felt it wouldn't.

Also you imply that she knew there was a doping system in place in USPS - she was not part of the medical team of USPS.
She certainly was suspicious and in particular of some of the new 'soigneurs' that arrived with Bruyneel at the end of 1998. Also she was asked to deliver a 'medical product' to LA in France.

In From Lance To Landis it is the former riders who reveal the doping system within the team. EOR's only major contribution is that she confirmed the story of the backdated TUE for the corticoids at the 99 Tour.

Ok, that is what I was trying to find out.
 

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craig1985 said:
You have a well paying job, would you just throw it all away because some journalist asked you, when you could just tell him to "**** off, it's none of your business" instead? For no reason whatsoever?

I'm being too simplistic I think, but generally you would do the interview or confirm what was going on if you disagreed with how things were being done, or an extremely honest person, who again I would think you would disagree with PED use. IMO anyway.

No?

Well paid? She was making 30k a year and then got a raise to 36k when the hog came on board in '99.

According to EOR, working for USPS was a lark for her and she was planning on ending her career soon anyway.
 

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