Remco Evenepoel

[hrotha]

Oooh, a Jonathan Hall reference! Legendary dude.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

In an article from RTBF, Carlo Bomans said that last year, when Remco had only just started cycling, they did tests with the juniors and espoirs, on the Ballon d'Alsace. Remco's time, as a first year junior, was almost the same as that of Bjorg Lambrecht, who is 3 years older and was a second year U23 at that time. The same Bjorg Lambrecht that lost the Tour de l'Avenir from Bernal that summer, with (only) 1 minute.
Maybe this can serve as a reference as well.

 

[Benotti69]

oh dear

idolises a doper.

https://twitter.com/EvenepoelRemco/status/1077105603254865920

Oh well, quelle surprise!

 

[rick james]

isn't he allowed idols now?

this forum has a semi for Alberto so why can't anyone else

 

[Saint Unix]

At least he hasn't written a book about how much he idolizes Lance Armstrong, like a certain British Tour winner recently did.

 

[rick james]

But the British tour winner didn’t write a book about Lance Armstrong

 

[Ferminal]

Re:

isn't he allowed idols now?

this forum has a semi for Alberto so why can't anyone else

...and if you're going to gear up we prefer you partake as an El Pistolero rather than a Bottle.

 

[Echoes]

Happy New Year! Best wishes (for a clean cycling) !

Idolizing is not a good thing. All men have their flaws, cycling riders in particular. Nonetheless, Remco is barely 18 and Benotti is, as usual, accusing by connections. That's already what he did with his father. Patrick Evenepoel was a teammate to a guy who was much later to become a soigneur at US Postal and Sky, so that means Patrick doped. While everything seems to suggest that Patrick was clean in a highly doped peloton.

I try to never cheer for a (blood or hormone-based) doper. But really, I can understand that not everybody has the same view about as I do (and I'm not a rider anyway) and it's not because somebody cheered for a doper as a child that he would necessarily become a doper as a pro...

 

[skidmark]

I was interested to see this thread because I don't know too much about doping at the youth level and am curious not only how prevalent it is, but what kind of history cyclists might have with this and how people determine whether someone is suspicious. So far in 100+ replies that I've just read through, it seems like the main points made here are that Evenepoel is doping because:

- he's a cyclist
- he won stuff
- his dad was a cyclist
- people dope when they're young sometimes
- he's going to a team where people have doped before
- he has a motor (I guess that also fits under "he's a cyclist"/"he won stuff")

Does anyone have any actual information to direct me towards about youth doping? I saw a link to one article about rugby players in South Africa, but I'm more interested in cyclists - are there any cyclists who talk about starting young in their memoirs or in interviews? I'd imagine with the flurry of tell-all stuff that came out post-Armstrong, there'd have to be some stories about the 90s. Even stories about how riders knew someone was doping in juniors, anything. Evenepoel could be doping or not, but I'm interested in learning more from actual stories, and without anything other than speculation, I think that having an understanding of how doping works at that level is the best way to figure out what I think. Thanks!

 

[Alpe73]

I was interested to see this thread because I don't know too much about doping at the youth level and am curious not only how prevalent it is, but what kind of history cyclists might have with this and how people determine whether someone is suspicious. So far in 100+ replies that I've just read through, it seems like the main points made here are that Evenepoel is doping because:

- he's a cyclist
- he won stuff
- his dad was a cyclist
- people dope when they're young sometimes
- he's going to a team where people have doped before
- he has a motor (I guess that also fits under "he's a cyclist"/"he won stuff")

Does anyone have any actual information to direct me towards about youth doping? I saw a link to one article about rugby players in South Africa, but I'm more interested in cyclists - are there any cyclists who talk about starting young in their memoirs or in interviews? I'd imagine with the flurry of tell-all stuff that came out post-Armstrong, there'd have to be some stories about the 90s. Even stories about how riders knew someone was doping in juniors, anything. Evenepoel could be doping or not, but I'm interested in learning more from actual stories, and without anything other than speculation, I think that having an understanding of how doping works at that level is the best way to figure out what I think. Thanks!

Good post.

 

[hulkgogan]

I was interested to see this thread because I don't know too much about doping at the youth level and am curious not only how prevalent it is, but what kind of history cyclists might have with this and how people determine whether someone is suspicious. So far in 100+ replies that I've just read through, it seems like the main points made here are that Evenepoel is doping because:

- he's a cyclist
- he won stuff
- his dad was a cyclist
- people dope when they're young sometimes
- he's going to a team where people have doped before
- he has a motor (I guess that also fits under "he's a cyclist"/"he won stuff")

Does anyone have any actual information to direct me towards about youth doping? I saw a link to one article about rugby players in South Africa, but I'm more interested in cyclists - are there any cyclists who talk about starting young in their memoirs or in interviews? I'd imagine with the flurry of tell-all stuff that came out post-Armstrong, there'd have to be some stories about the 90s. Even stories about how riders knew someone was doping in juniors, anything. Evenepoel could be doping or not, but I'm interested in learning more from actual stories, and without anything other than speculation, I think that having an understanding of how doping works at that level is the best way to figure out what I think. Thanks!

Doesn't come much bigger than Lance's "coach", Carmichael.

"In 1989, Carmichael was hired to coach for the junior national cycling team at the U.S. Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs."

"Strock, Latta, Francis and Kaiter all later said Carmichael and Wenzel doped them without their knowledge or permission while they were under age."

https://gazette.com/news/doping-questions-remain-of-springs-based-armstrong-coach/article_7ba96d23-e2d4-5c02-90b3-de8ad73f40e5.html

Strock and Kaiter ended up suing US Cycling.

https://www.velonews.com/2006/04/news/six-years-later-strock-case-comes-to-court_9763

Both riders became seriously ill in their early 20s.

"you'd be hard pressed to find a guy with more class than Strock. One of my favorites"

https://twitter.com/vaughters/status/644184776912408576?lang=en

More here. A couple of other riders also got testicular cancer.

viewtopic.php?t=7583&start=420

 

[Robert5091]

Team Altopack Eppela & Luca Franceschi U-23's doping scandal -
https://www.velonews.com/2018/02/ne...ng-tests-blow-open-italian-doping-ring_456874

 

[yaco]

Apparently there is more than one WT team who will not recruit Italian under 23's who ride for Italian registered teams - Will recruit Italians if they ride for Non-Italian teams.

 

[Squire]

A more recent one (announced today): A Danish junior tested positive for methylhexanamin back in May this year. Case is ongoing and the rider's name is not disclosed because of his young age.

No guarantees that it's him, but I've noticed that one of the best Danish juniors, Mattias Skjelmose Jensen, hasn't raced since May, when he won the prestigious Pays de Vaud stage race (winner's list is like reading a who's who of great juniors throughout the year).

 

[el_giles]

Ilnur zakarin was popped as a junior too. Not sure there's much more to the story though.

 

[Baldinger]

The only one in the peloton wearing arm warmers today.

 

[red_flanders]

Re:

The only one in the peloton wearing arm warmers today.

Totally. That means he's the only one doping.

 

[therealthing]

Re: Re:

The only one in the peloton wearing arm warmers today.

Totally. That means he's the only one doping.

40 degree heat as well...

 

[red_flanders]

Re: Re:

The only one in the peloton wearing arm warmers today.

Totally. That means he's the only one doping.

40 degree heat as well...

He's Belgian. Maybe he didn't want to burn. :surprised:

Honestly, what's the argument here? That he's doping and the only one in the peloton doing it, or that he's too young and dumb to know to do it somewhere else? Help me understand the logic.

 

[rick james]

Re: Re:

The only one in the peloton wearing arm warmers today.

Totally. That means he's the only one doping.

 

[70kmph]

Use sunscreen to prevent sunburn
Use arm warmers to deceive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1bhjxpbIg8

 

[red_flanders]

Use sunscreen to prevent sunburn
Use arm warmers to deceive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1bhjxpbIg8

No dopers in that video, for sure, right?

It's a 5 hour ride. Sunscreen wears off. The guy is a young Belgian kid, for whom it's the dead of winter. He's racing in 100 degree heat in Argentina. Like if he were injecting he couldn't find another spot, or did he miss the shift to black socks from Postal?

You're grasping at straws here.

This kid has been killing everyone from an early age in what has to be one of the dirtier regions of the sport. This isn't a sign that he's doping more than everyone, it's a sign that he's wildly talented. Is it possible to think he's doping? Of course. Does anyone have even a shadow or a cogent argument of evidence (not proof) that he is? No. He could be doing it naturally and be naturally exceptional, or he could be doing doping and naturally exceptional. The answer is certainly not that he's doping more or better than anyone else. Whatever the case may be, the kid is a huge talent.

I for one am excited to see someone who may actually be a huge talent moving forward, instead of the farce we've been subjected to for the last 8 years.

 

[Koronin]

Sunscreen wears off. If you go to an auto race or an air show or are outside in the sun for 4-5 hours you need to reapply it a couple of times and you still may end up getting burned if you don't already have a bit of a tan first.

 

[Cookster15]

Use sunscreen to prevent sunburn
Use arm warmers to deceive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1bhjxpbIg8

instead of the farce we've been subjected to for the last 8 years.

I think it started before 2011? I tend to agree Remco is a freak talent but the arm warmer defence is a little weak. Yes sunscreen wears off but as any sailor or surfer can tell you most good quality sunscreens are formulated to last over 4 hours in water and are perspiration resistant.

For racing in hot weather sunscreen is a far better option to prevent sunburn than arm warmers which retain heat and heighten risk of dehydration. Personally I could think of nothing worse than wearing arm warmers in hot weather and I am fair skinned.

At the very least I think Remco has been poorly advised to wear arm warmers rather than use good sunscreen.

 

[red_flanders]

I tend to agree Remco is a freak talent but the arm warmer defence is a little weak. Yes sunscreen wears off but as any sailor or surfer can tell you most good quality sunscreens are formulated to last over 4 hours in water and are perspiration resistant.

For racing in hot weather sunscreen is a far better option to prevent sunburn than arm warmers which retain heat and heighten risk of dehydration. Personally I could think of nothing worse than wearing arm warmers in hot weather and I am fair skinned.

At the very least I think Remco has been poorly advised to wear arm warmers rather than use good sunscreen.

I'm a surfer. There is no sunscreen that doesn't wear off in a couple of hours. But this is irrelevant.

I'm suggesting there are simple explanations that don't involve a team doping the biggest teenage prospect to come down the pike in a decade or more, for some meaningless early season race where he isn't the leader, and that the only way they could figure out how to dope him was to leave track marks in his arm, because he's injecting so frequently he needs arm warmers to cover the scars. And that he's the only one.

I'm sorry, but that makes no sense.