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Rigoberto Uran discussion thread.

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Escarabajo said:
He is not fully recovered. If that is true then there is no point on being on the race because it is going to get worse this week.

http://www.revistamundociclistico.com/ruta/18774-rigoberto-uran-ahora-tenemos-que-mirar-hacia-el-futuro-con-una-perspectiva-diferente.html

“Estoy un poco triste porque no he contado mucha suerte en este Giro. No he superado por completo la bronquitis que sufrí desde la primera etapa. Con varios días de lluvia era realmente difícil recuperarme bien de la bronquitis. El accidente hizo las cosas aún peor. Mi voluntad en este punto es más grande que lo que es posible para mí. El nivel en el Giro es muy alto entre los competidores y el curso, lo que significa que se tiene que estar 100 por ciento durante las tres semanas si quiere luchar por la general”, añadió.

I don't know actually. What are his goals this season? Well, except for the Giro that is? It's not like he's gonna ride the Tour or anything.
 
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Hugo Koblet said:
Escarabajo said:
He is not fully recovered. If that is true then there is no point on being on the race because it is going to get worse this week.

http://www.revistamundociclistico.com/ruta/18774-rigoberto-uran-ahora-tenemos-que-mirar-hacia-el-futuro-con-una-perspectiva-diferente.html

“Estoy un poco triste porque no he contado mucha suerte en este Giro. No he superado por completo la bronquitis que sufrí desde la primera etapa. Con varios días de lluvia era realmente difícil recuperarme bien de la bronquitis. El accidente hizo las cosas aún peor. Mi voluntad en este punto es más grande que lo que es posible para mí. El nivel en el Giro es muy alto entre los competidores y el curso, lo que significa que se tiene que estar 100 por ciento durante las tres semanas si quiere luchar por la general”, añadió.

I don't know actually. What are his goals this season? Well, except for the Giro that is? It's not like he's gonna ride the Tour or anything.

Why would he not ride the Tour if he pulls out? I realise it may be one for all and all for Cavendish, but Uran has not seemed to mind plugging a lonely fight in the GC.
 
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cellardoor said:
Hugo Koblet said:
Escarabajo said:
He is not fully recovered. If that is true then there is no point on being on the race because it is going to get worse this week.

http://www.revistamundociclistico.com/ruta/18774-rigoberto-uran-ahora-tenemos-que-mirar-hacia-el-futuro-con-una-perspectiva-diferente.html

“Estoy un poco triste porque no he contado mucha suerte en este Giro. No he superado por completo la bronquitis que sufrí desde la primera etapa. Con varios días de lluvia era realmente difícil recuperarme bien de la bronquitis. El accidente hizo las cosas aún peor. Mi voluntad en este punto es más grande que lo que es posible para mí. El nivel en el Giro es muy alto entre los competidores y el curso, lo que significa que se tiene que estar 100 por ciento durante las tres semanas si quiere luchar por la general”, añadió.

I don't know actually. What are his goals this season? Well, except for the Giro that is? It's not like he's gonna ride the Tour or anything.

Why would he not ride the Tour if he pulls out? I realise it may be one for all and all for Cavendish, but Uran has not seemed to mind plugging a lonely fight in the GC.
EQS will be all for Cavendish and Kwiatkowski. I don't think Uran can contribute with anything noteworthy and EQS will be better off saving Uran for targets later in the season.
 
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Hugo Koblet said:
cellardoor said:
Hugo Koblet said:
Escarabajo said:
He is not fully recovered. If that is true then there is no point on being on the race because it is going to get worse this week.

http://www.revistamundociclistico.com/ruta/18774-rigoberto-uran-ahora-tenemos-que-mirar-hacia-el-futuro-con-una-perspectiva-diferente.html

“Estoy un poco triste porque no he contado mucha suerte en este Giro. No he superado por completo la bronquitis que sufrí desde la primera etapa. Con varios días de lluvia era realmente difícil recuperarme bien de la bronquitis. El accidente hizo las cosas aún peor. Mi voluntad en este punto es más grande que lo que es posible para mí. El nivel en el Giro es muy alto entre los competidores y el curso, lo que significa que se tiene que estar 100 por ciento durante las tres semanas si quiere luchar por la general”, añadió.

I don't know actually. What are his goals this season? Well, except for the Giro that is? It's not like he's gonna ride the Tour or anything.

Why would he not ride the Tour if he pulls out? I realise it may be one for all and all for Cavendish, but Uran has not seemed to mind plugging a lonely fight in the GC.
EQS will be all for Cavendish and Kwiatkowski. I don't think Uran can contribute with anything noteworthy and EQS will be better off saving Uran for targets later in the season.

Uran is much better than Kiatlowski for the mountains stages of the Tour. He has a Giro where everything went bad, bud luck, but who knows if in the Tour everything is well? In that case, he will have Tony Martin and Kiatkowski to work.
 
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Taxus4a said:
Hugo Koblet said:
cellardoor said:
Hugo Koblet said:
Escarabajo said:
Uran is much better than Kiatlowski for the mountains stages of the Tour. He has a Giro where everything went bad, bud luck, but who knows if in the Tour everything is well? In that case, he will have Tony Martin and Kiatkowski to work.

I suppose that the Steppers have Kwia there with an eye to the first week and a half classic type of stages. There is at least 2-3 chances for LBL /FW type of riders and then the train for Cav needs man. I do not see the steppers there with ambitions on the GC. So Uran might be better of, leaving the Giro, if he is as sick as he says he is, then recover and salvage something by going for the Vuelta.
 
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[quote="Taxus4a"Uran is much better than Kiatlowski for the mountains stages of the Tour. He has a Giro where everything went bad, bud luck, but who knows if in the Tour everything is well? In that case, he will have Tony Martin and Kiatkowski to work.[/quote]

At best, Uran will be fighting for a top 5 GC and that's a lot to ask already. Has he even ever top 20'ed the Tour? I don't think so. Kwiatkowski can challenge for the win on a lot of stages. EQS (and Uran) will be much better off focusing on other goals like the fall classics.
 
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Hugo Koblet said:
[quote="Taxus4a"Uran is much better than Kiatlowski for the mountains stages of the Tour. He has a Giro where everything went bad, bud luck, but who knows if in the Tour everything is well? In that case, he will have Tony Martin and Kiatkowski to work.

At best, Uran will be fighting for a top 5 GC and that's a lot to ask already. Has he even ever top 20'ed the Tour? I don't think so. Kwiatkowski can challenge for the win on a lot of stages. EQS (and Uran) will be much better off focusing on other goals like the fall classics.[/quote]

Uran was in the Top Ten and in the white yersay when he got an illness in the Tour, but he showed Tour is the race that best suit him.

The problem is in the Tour are the best riders. Everything is possible, there are a lot of circusntances for a GC Tour, as we have seen now, It is Trofimov better than Uran? No, but he is likely to finish better. Uran till now has never show his best. Hot weather is better for him.
 
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Hugo Koblet said:
At best, Uran will be fighting for a top 5 GC and that's a lot to ask already. Has he even ever top 20'ed the Tour? I don't think so. Kwiatkowski can challenge for the win on a lot of stages. EQS (and Uran) will be much better off focusing on other goals like the fall classics.
7th (White jersey), 2nd, 2nd at the Giro.
Retired while wearing the white jersey at the tour.
I say he can definitely top 5 at the tour.

His problem though is that he's lacking in the health department. He's retired because of lung related sickness at the tour and vuelta and also probably this giro as well. I say he should retire and focus on the tour considering he's never regained his health in the middle of a GT.
 
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SergeDeM said:
Hugo Koblet said:
At best, Uran will be fighting for a top 5 GC and that's a lot to ask already. Has he even ever top 20'ed the Tour? I don't think so. Kwiatkowski can challenge for the win on a lot of stages. EQS (and Uran) will be much better off focusing on other goals like the fall classics.
7th (White jersey), 2nd, 2nd at the Giro.
Retired while wearing the white jersey at the tour.
I say he can definitely top 5 at the tour.

His problem though is that he's lacking in the health department. He's retired because of lung related sickness at the tour and vuelta and also probably this giro as well. I say he should retire and focus on the tour considering he's never regained his health in the middle of a GT.

His problem isn't his health. His problem is that he has close to 0% chance of beating Froome, Nibali, Contador or Quintana. So yeah, he'll be fighting for the last spot in the top 5.
 
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Hugo Koblet said:
SergeDeM said:
Hugo Koblet said:
At best, Uran will be fighting for a top 5 GC and that's a lot to ask already. Has he even ever top 20'ed the Tour? I don't think so. Kwiatkowski can challenge for the win on a lot of stages. EQS (and Uran) will be much better off focusing on other goals like the fall classics.
7th (White jersey), 2nd, 2nd at the Giro.
Retired while wearing the white jersey at the tour.
I say he can definitely top 5 at the tour.

His problem though is that he's lacking in the health department. He's retired because of lung related sickness at the tour and vuelta and also probably this giro as well. I say he should retire and focus on the tour considering he's never regained his health in the middle of a GT.

His problem isn't his health. His problem is that he has close to 0% chance of beating Froome, Nibali, Contador or Quintana. So yeah, he'll be fighting for the last spot in the top 5.

I think he can win, more than close to 0.
 
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Hugo Koblet said:
SergeDeM said:
Hugo Koblet said:
At best, Uran will be fighting for a top 5 GC and that's a lot to ask already. Has he even ever top 20'ed the Tour? I don't think so. Kwiatkowski can challenge for the win on a lot of stages. EQS (and Uran) will be much better off focusing on other goals like the fall classics.
7th (White jersey), 2nd, 2nd at the Giro.
Retired while wearing the white jersey at the tour.
I say he can definitely top 5 at the tour.

His problem though is that he's lacking in the health department. He's retired because of lung related sickness at the tour and vuelta and also probably this giro as well. I say he should retire and focus on the tour considering he's never regained his health in the middle of a GT.

His problem isn't his health. His problem is that he has close to 0% chance of beating Froome, Nibali, Contador or Quintana. So yeah, he'll be fighting for the last spot in the top 5.
At least one and possibly more of those 4 will probably falter. It's just too difficult to have everyone in top shape and with luck on their side at the same time so there's always a chance for the underdogs. Nothing's ever given.
 
He shouldn't even think about the Tour. Best case scenario would be; He manages to get into top form and he has full team support - even in this situation he wouldn't be more than 5th though. Truth is he won't have any real support and this sickness could even hamper his preparation for the Tour. He should quit the Giro and aim for a top place at the Vuelta.
 
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SergeDeM said:
Hugo Koblet said:
SergeDeM said:
Hugo Koblet said:
At best, Uran will be fighting for a top 5 GC and that's a lot to ask already. Has he even ever top 20'ed the Tour? I don't think so. Kwiatkowski can challenge for the win on a lot of stages. EQS (and Uran) will be much better off focusing on other goals like the fall classics.
7th (White jersey), 2nd, 2nd at the Giro.
Retired while wearing the white jersey at the tour.
I say he can definitely top 5 at the tour.

His problem though is that he's lacking in the health department. He's retired because of lung related sickness at the tour and vuelta and also probably this giro as well. I say he should retire and focus on the tour considering he's never regained his health in the middle of a GT.

His problem isn't his health. His problem is that he has close to 0% chance of beating Froome, Nibali, Contador or Quintana. So yeah, he'll be fighting for the last spot in the top 5.
At least one and possibly more of those 4 will probably falter. It's just too difficult to have everyone in top shape and with luck on their side at the same time so there's always a chance for the underdogs. Nothing's ever given.
Perhaps, but the chance of one of the top 4 failing isn't any bigger than that of Uran failing. Quite likely the opposite. So that doesn't change the expected performance/placing of Uran.
 
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Hugo Koblet said:
carton said:
You guys are ignoring the fact that it's the team that wants him in the Tour. Unless he is physically unable to, if Lefevere says he goes, he goes.
No, that's actually exactly what I said. Just the opposite: The team doesn't want him at the Tour so he won't go.
He hardly sounds like a man pushing for a role on the team:
"I will try to go there to do well, but it will be more linked to rediscovering the race and to stage hunt," Uran said. "But of course I’d also like to do well in the last week and give a hand to the team when necessary. About my program after the Tour, it is not yet decided. I want to focus on the intense part of my season that will be a great opportunity for me. I can ride the races I love and I am super motivated to do it."
I think he'd love to retool for the Vuelta. However, Etixx-Quickstep pays him big money, and they seem to want their highest placed GT rider ever in cycling's biggest race (not in any way unreasonable, BTW). Also, someone capable 5th at Liege, 3rd twice at Lombardia, silver at the Olympics and a road stage win at the Giro, without even being much of a stage hunter or classics rider, should have at least an outside shot at a stage or the climbers jersey. Which seems to be what he would like to aim for, and would more than fit in with EQS's élan. That would seem to work out for everyone. But again, if Etixx for some reason wants him to take a run at the big boys with absolutely no domestiques on short rest with a top-5 being probably as much as can be hoped for (not that I think they're going to do that), then that's what he's going to do. Need I remind you:
“I don’t know what will happen, but [Sergio] Henao and I are different than Froome. We always work for the team and we’ve never had any problems with the team,” Urán said. “We are not like Froome. I came here with the idea of helping the squad, whatever the goals may be. We shall see. We have to take it day by day.”
 
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Jspear said:
He shouldn't even think about the Tour. Best case scenario would be; He manages to get into top form and he has full team support - even in this situation he wouldn't be more than 5th though. Truth is he won't have any real support and this sickness could even hamper his preparation for the Tour. He should quit the Giro and aim for a top place at the Vuelta.
I hope not the Vuelta again. He never did good in that hilly race. I hope not, but I am afraid it could happen. Hope he changes teams. I prefer him going for stages in the first two weeks of the Tour where he has chances than a high place at the Vuelta.
 
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Hugo Koblet said:
[quote="Taxus4a"Uran is much better than Kiatlowski for the mountains stages of the Tour. He has a Giro where everything went bad, bud luck, but who knows if in the Tour everything is well? In that case, he will have Tony Martin and Kiatkowski to work.

At best, Uran will be fighting for a top 5 GC and that's a lot to ask already. Has he even ever top 20'ed the Tour? I don't think so. Kwiatkowski can challenge for the win on a lot of stages. EQS (and Uran) will be much better off focusing on other goals like the fall classics.

I thought he said he would be stage hunting just like Kwiat. Neither one has a chance for a high GC but for stages. And neither one requires a big support from other team members. Only Primadona Cavendish. So on hilly stages it would be wise to play out for the strongest that day.

And please stop saying that Kwiat is going to get support because he is less proven than Porte at this moment IMHO.
 
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Escarabajo"]

Uran is much better than Kiatlowski for the mountains stages of the Tour. He has a Giro where everything went bad, bud luck, but who knows if in the Tour everything is well? In that case, he will have Tony Martin and Kiatkowski to work.[/quote]


Roude Leiw said:
I suppose that the Steppers have Kwia there with an eye to the first week and a half classic type of stages. There is at least 2-3 chances for LBL /FW type of riders and then the train for Cav needs man. I do not see the steppers there with ambitions on the GC. So Uran might be better of, leaving the Giro, if he is as sick as he says he is, then recover and salvage something by going for the Vuelta.
You miss quoted me. I did not write that. I know that the new forum structure sucks but we need to get better at this.
Thanks.
 
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Escarabajo said:
Hugo Koblet said:
[quote="Taxus4a"Uran is much better than Kiatlowski for the mountains stages of the Tour. He has a Giro where everything went bad, bud luck, but who knows if in the Tour everything is well? In that case, he will have Tony Martin and Kiatkowski to work.

At best, Uran will be fighting for a top 5 GC and that's a lot to ask already. Has he even ever top 20'ed the Tour? I don't think so. Kwiatkowski can challenge for the win on a lot of stages. EQS (and Uran) will be much better off focusing on other goals like the fall classics.

I thought he said he would be stage hunting just like Kwiat. Neither one has a chance for a high GC but for stages. And neither one requires a big support from other team members. Only Primadona Cavendish. So on hilly stages it would be wise to play out for the strongest that day.

And please stop saying that Kwiat is going to get support because he is less proven than Porte at this moment IMHO.
I don't think anyone has said that Kwiatkowski is a better GC rider than Uran.
 
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Jspear said:
He shouldn't even think about the Tour. Best case scenario would be; He manages to get into top form and he has full team support - even in this situation he wouldn't be more than 5th though. Truth is he won't have any real support and this sickness could even hamper his preparation for the Tour. He should quit the Giro and aim for a top place at the Vuelta.

agreed. Forget about the tour. The team will ride for cav anyway and he will get couple climber to help (they they are all crashed out again like in the Giro). Better recover, get healthy and go to Vuelta. At least, he might have all the support there than the Tour. Then after that, look for other team who will help his GC aspiration.
 
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Jelantik said:
Jspear said:
He shouldn't even think about the Tour. Best case scenario would be; He manages to get into top form and he has full team support - even in this situation he wouldn't be more than 5th though. Truth is he won't have any real support and this sickness could even hamper his preparation for the Tour. He should quit the Giro and aim for a top place at the Vuelta.

agreed. Forget about the tour. The team will ride for cav anyway and he will get couple climber to help (they they are all crashed out again like in the Giro). Better recover, get healthy and go to Vuelta. At least, he might have all the support there than the Tour. Then after that, look for other team who will help his GC aspiration.
But what team? Is he good enough - would you build a team around Uran? I doubt.