Rumour: Zomegnan to be fired

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Descender said:
These are just rumours, but word around the journalists circle in the Giro is that RCS Sport are planning to dismiss Angelo Zomegnan from his position as director of the Giro as soon as this Giro is over.

I read it on the twitter page of this Spanish El Mundo journalist, who quotes Italian sources from the newspaper Tuttosport: http://twitter.com/#!/FernandoLlamas

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Last 3 Giro's were focking epic !


I'm with Michielveedeebee. That would be terrible. What? Did he just do too good a job of putting on the Giro? Why fix something that ain't broke?
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Maybe he has done something that has not been covered in the thread and deserves to be sacked, but the reasons given so far are just a joke. If they are the reasons then it is rediculous. This years course has been excellent as far as I am concerned although Contador has been dominating. There has been something happening on each of the mountain stages to keep it exciting.
 
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that sucks. Love this guy.
Certainly some mistakes were made, and some things that took too long to sort out, but this giro has been pretty great.

The Hitch said:
Oh its pretty obvious which 2 or 3 stages Schleck and co will contest at the Tour while softpedaling the rest. The only difference between the TOur and the Giro is that instead of another 3 Cav sprints "yey how fun:cool:" we get mountain stages instead.

to be fair it's not soft pedaling :p
 
Transfers in the Giro

Having just read the thread about Zomegnan possibly being fired, I decided to look at the transfers between stages every year he has been in charge (2004-now). Only transfers of over 50km are counted.

51-100km
101-150km
151-250km
251km+

2004

Alba - Novi Ligure 94km
Montevergine di Mercogliano - Giffoni Valle Piana 61km
Carovigno - Porto Sant'Elpido 508km (REST DAY)
Ascoli Piceno - Porto Sant'Elpido 74km
Treviso - Trieste 160km
Pula (Croatia) - Poreč (Croatia) 56km


2005

Tropea - Catanzaro Lido 88km
Frosinone - Celano 84km
l'Aquila - Viterbo 181km
Limone Piemonte - Chieri 125km
Torino - Savigliano 65km
Sestriere - Albese con Cassano 267km


2006

Hotton (Belgium) - Piacenza 860km~ (REST DAY)
Saltara - Civitanova Marche 108km
Peschici - Pontedera 550km (REST DAY)
Sestri Levante - Alessandria 133km
Gemona del Friuli - Pordenone 114km
Passo di San Pellegrino - Trento 95km
Aprica - Museo del Ghisallo 105km


2007

Bosa - Barumini 153km
Cagliari - Salerno 740km~ (REST DAY)
Montevergine di Mercogliano - Teano 93km
Briancon - Biella 183km
Santuario di Oropa - Cantu 137km
Bergamo - Trento 179km
Zoncolan - Udine 62km
Terme di Comano - Bardolino 110km
Verona - Vestone 99km


2008

Agrigento - Catania 163km
Milazzo - Pizzo Calabro 143km
Catanzaro Lungomare - Belvedere Marittimo 129km
Peschici - Vasto 135km
Tivoli - Civitavecchia 116km
San Vincenzo - Pesaro 347km (REST DAY)
Cittadella - Verona 88km
Kronplatz - Sondrio 281km (REST DAY)
Tirano - Cesano Maderno 145km


2009

Valdobbiadene - Padova 68km
Bergamo - Milano 51km
Milano - Cuneo 208km (REST DAY)
Bologna San Luca - Forli 73km
Faenza - Pergola 159km
Monte Petrano - Chieti 276km (REST DAY)
Anagni - Roma 65km


2010

Middelburg (Netherlands) - Savigliano 1000km~ (REST DAY)
Cuneo - Novara 210km
Novi Ligure - Fidenza 140km
Terminillo - Frosinone 171km
Bitonto - Lucera 137km
l'Aquila - Citta Sant'Angelo 97km
Cesenatico - Ferrara 148km
Asolo - Spinea 65km
Zoncolan - San Vigilio di Marebbe 123km (REST DAY)
Peio Terme - Levico Terme 102km
Ponte di Legno Tonale - Verona 188km


2011

Livorno - Piombino 86km
Fiuggi - Maddaloni 163km
Montevergine di Mercogliano - Sapri 220km
Tropea - Messina 113km
Etna - Termoli 640km~ (REST DAY)
Ravenna - Spilimbergo 233km
Zoncolan - Conegliano 182km
Gardeccia Val di Fassa - Belluno 80km (REST DAY)
Tirano - Morbegno 51km
Macugnaga - Verbania 58km
Sestriere - Milano 238km
 
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maybe the new guy might bring the best Zomegnan and reduce the worst of Zomegnan - time will tell

Ps maybe ASO will hire him to look at the Veulta give that a go over - people keep saying they don´t use the mountains of Spain as they could.

Again just an idea
 
Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't know..............much better.

Whoever gets the unenviable task of replacing him, will be more or less compelled to revert to the more traditional Giro format.

Out will go the strade bianche and those stages that have a cliff, 10-15kms from
the finish.
Back in with the pointless and frankly dangerous, city/town laps, ( a la Cali) which usually end up with sprint trains running side by side, until there is a mass pile up.

MTF steep ramps cut to one and climbs like the Pordoi returning.
40-50km ITT to replace TTT.

Oh and no more looking to start in places like Washington.

Anyone who bothered to purchase the widely available, first ever Giro official guide had better hang onto it..............there won't be another edition.

As a commercial decision, I find Zomegnan's dismissal unfathomable, if true.
 
Mellow Velo said:
40-50km ITT to replace TTT.

Oh and no more looking to start in places like Washington.

Have to say I agree with these. Well, stagesin places as crazy as the USA anyway.

Mellow Velo said:
Anyone who bothered to purchase the widely available, first ever Giro official guide had better hang onto it..............there won't be another edition.

Glad I did then :eek:


Worried for the future of the Giro now.
 
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There are quite a few things that could improve of course, but Zomegnan made the Giro more important than it had been in many years. Of course it's not on the level of media attention the Tour has (yet), but the courses and especially the racing are much better.

Just look at the last four editions: Contador vs the Italians in 2008 was exciting. 2009 Menchov and DiLuca was just brilliant, loved the fight between them. Then there's 2010 Giro, the best GT in recent memory, and this years which is pretty interesting despite the dominance of Contador.

There's still a few things that could be better. Last minute changes, too many and too long transfers, courses that are too dangerous (the 2009 Milan stages for instance) and imo not enough time trials, though 2009 was perfect in that way with a longer hilly time trial and a short flat one. The way the Giro handles flat stages (the last 2 years anyway) is pretty much perfect in my opinion, much more exciting than a Tour flat stage. Besides the course, the TV broadcast has a lot of room for improvement, but I don't know wether Zomegnan can be blamed for that.

Overall Zomegnan did a great job the last few years, and I would love to see him continue. I am wondering what he would do with next years course. He can't top this one in toughness and number of mountaintop finishes, and strade bianchi for a third year in a row wouldn't work imo. I do hope he'll be given the chance to make next years course, would really hate for him to get fired.
 
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Best rumour ever. I hope it's true. His ideas kept getting more and more ridiculous. It was always more about the show and the spectaccle than about cycling with him
 
Mellow Velo said:
Anyone who bothered to purchase the widely available, first ever Giro official guide had better hang onto it..............there won't be another edition.
widely available?

i haven't seen one, anywhere, otherwise i would have gotten one... off to sulk :(
 
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Christian said:
Best rumour ever. I hope it's true. His ideas kept getting more and more ridiculous. It was always more about the show and the spectaccle than about cycling with him

Well its show and spectacle made the tour what it is.

Zomegnan is the best thing to happen to the giro in years, like others have already said, crazy town centre sprints replaced by the likes of strade bianche.

RCS would be fools to boot him out.
 
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TeamSkyFans said:
Well its show and spectacle made the tour what it is.

Zomegnan is the best thing to happen to the giro in years, like others have already said, crazy town centre sprints replaced by the likes of strade bianche.

RCS would be fools to boot him out.

I think it would be a good thing for the sake of the Giro. I believe he is so obsessed by making the Giro the biggest sports event on the planet that he loses sight of the details that matter and most of all of the riders. This then leads to no coverage (Amsterdam 2009), last minute route changes (ITT, Crostis) and riders abandoning by the dozens
 
Last minute route changes hit all races, including the Tour. The Giro is more susceptible due to worse weather conditions in May than in July. Riders abandon Grand Tours. It happens.

What are the details that matter? Zomegnan was criticised massively for 2004 and 2009, the flattest routes he created. Audience figures are terrible for flat stages, and fans get excited for new and intense mountains. It's no wonder he tends towards tougher routes.

Don't judge the Giro by the standards of the Tour. It's a different race with its own proud history and traditions.

Prior to Zomegnan's years the Giro had been becoming increasingly provincial and especially in the latter LA years, as people sought to mimic his once-a-year peaking style, an all-Italian affair. Now it's back in the limelight.

We've heard the piece on what Zomegnan's done wrong, but what should he be doing instead of what he is doing?
 
I actually liked 2009. San Luca, Faenza, Bergamo stage placed early enough, the surprise of Pra Martino, the super TT. It may have lacked the super tough stages (except the one to Monte Petrano) but the intermediate stages were better designed than this year.
 
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maybe the DS's and UCI have something to do with it.. eh .....Positvely 4th street by Dylan should be AZ's theme song :D
 
The Hitch said:
I trust descender on this. His posts on Vuelta and Giro routes indicate suggest that hes not someone who would start a thread if there wasnt serious reason for it.



Id say.
Why fix something thats working better than supposed to.

Thanks for the trust, but bear in mind I made clear it is at the moment just a rumour. :cool: A relatively solid one mind you, since Llamas is in Italy and El Mundo, Llamas´s newspaper, is part of the same media holding as RCS Sport.

EDIT: A point against the rumour is the primary source: Tuttosport, that is, Gazetta´s rival. Do they want to just create a mayhem...?
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Last minute route changes hit all races, including the Tour. The Giro is more susceptible due to worse weather conditions in May than in July. Riders abandon Grand Tours. It happens.

What are the details that matter? Zomegnan was criticised massively for 2004 and 2009, the flattest routes he created. Audience figures are terrible for flat stages, and fans get excited for new and intense mountains. It's no wonder he tends towards tougher routes.

Don't judge the Giro by the standards of the Tour. It's a different race with its own proud history and traditions.

Prior to Zomegnan's years the Giro had been becoming increasingly provincial and especially in the latter LA years, as people sought to mimic his once-a-year peaking style, an all-Italian affair. Now it's back in the limelight.

We've heard the piece on what Zomegnan's done wrong, but what should he be doing instead of what he is doing?

This year's route changes weren't due to bad weather. The Schiphol disaster wasn't either. Apparently a drop of rain is considered bad weather and it's impossible to get live images at the Giro, whereas in the TdF they manage to get the helis up in the fog of Tourmalet. In this case, I do judge the Giro by TdF broadcasting standarts because they are IMO impeccable.

I agree that the Giro has "its own proud history and traditions" but it is exactly that what Zomeg is destroying IMO by always wanting to go bigger, longer, higher, more extreme, more dangerous ... it is him who wants the Giro to be bigger than the TdF, the biggest sports event on the planet, and he doesn't seem to be satisfied with being a good GT among three, he wants to be the best.

What should he do instead of what he's doing now? These are a few of my personal suggestions: shorter stages, shorter transfers, a more balanced parcours, better broadcasting. Change it up a bit: TTT, MTT, Zoncolan have been done too often in recent years. I know you don't want me to compare the Giro to the TdF but once again I feel like Prudhomme does a better job here: one of the reasons Mt. Ventoux is epic is that it is not raced every year. We had a discussion about this a while ago about how often these "epic" climbs (and Zoncolan is one of them IMO) should be used in GT's and personnally I think it should be every 3 years tops. The same counts for the Strade Bianche. It was great to include them last year, but did they really need to be there this year again? Again please forgive the Tdf comparison, but they don't do the Roubaix pavés every year either and that is again part of the reason why it's so special.
 
Christian said:
This year's route changes weren't due to bad weather. The Schiphol disaster wasn't either. Apparently a drop of rain is considered bad weather and it's impossible to get live images at the Giro, whereas in the TdF they manage to get the helis up in the fog of Tourmalet. In this case, I do judge the Giro by TdF broadcasting standarts because they are IMO impeccable.
A drop of rain IS bad weather when you're up in the altitudes. The Tour seldom has this problem because of time of year, but sure it does a better job when it does have to deal with it.

I agree that the Giro has "its own proud history and traditions" but it is exactly that what Zomeg is destroying IMO by always wanting to go bigger, longer, higher, more extreme, more dangerous ... it is him who wants the Giro to be bigger than the TdF, the biggest sports event on the planet, and he doesn't seem to be satisfied with being a good GT among three, he wants to be the best.
So what you're saying is, "live with your lot, don't try and better it, the Tour is better than you, deal with it"? Sounds like a recipe for stagnation. A bit like the Tour, come to think of it.

What should he do instead of what he's doing now? These are a few of my personal suggestions: shorter stages, shorter transfers, a more balanced parcours, better broadcasting.
OK, shorter transfers I get. But shorter stages? There was an 83km stage in 2009. A 100km stage this year. By putting in shorter stages, he can put in longer ones. Super-long epic stages are part of what the Giro is. Maybe another ITT to balance it could have helped; but 2011 is the first 'imbalanced' Giro I've seen since 2004 (which was imbalanced in the opposite direction). 2009 and 2010 a GC guy won the points jersey, sure - but if Tyler Farrar hadn't missed the time cut on Zoncolán it could have been a fight. Bennati won it in 2008. 2008!

Change it up a bit: TTT, MTT, Zoncolan have been done too often in recent years. I know you don't want me to compare the Giro to the TdF but once again I feel like Prudhomme does a better job here: one of the reasons Mt. Ventoux is epic is that it is not raced every year. We had a discussion about this a while ago about how often these "epic" climbs (and Zoncolan is one of them IMO) should be used in GT's and personnally I think it should be every 3 years tops. The same counts for the Strade Bianche. It was great to include them last year, but did they really need to be there this year again? Again please forgive the Tdf comparison, but they don't do the Roubaix pavés every year either and that is again part of the reason why it's so special.

OK, so TdF comparison... how often do they do Alpe d'Huez? Last year was the first time they'd EVER gone 2 straight years without it. Tourmalet? Every damn year. The Tour route is far more predictable, perhaps owing to fewer great climbs (but if the race is tight and intense, who cares if they're riding to Cam Basque or Courchevel instead of Alpe d'Huez or Plateau de Beille?), Ventoux is close to the only truly 'special' climb that is climbed rarely enough yet is legendary enough to have that effect. The Giro has only climbed the Passo dello Stelvio 6 times EVER. This is the second time Colle delle Finestre has been used - 6 years after the 1st. Zoncolán is being perhaps a little overused - but remember that Angliru was used regularly at first in order to establish its mystique, before a six year layoff. Zoncolán has the mystique now... so we should have a few years off. But don't you think the same applies to Aspin, to Tourmalet, to Aubisque, to Alpe d'Huez, and all the other climbs we see year in year out in France?

Some climbs are overused, some are underused. I don't see why Zomegnan is doing a worse job than Proudhomme in that respect. At least Zomegnan is seeking out and using climbs the Giro has either not used before (Rifugio Gardeccia) or seldom used before (Finestre) - where are the new climbs in the Tour? When was the last time a truly new climb was introduced to the Tour?