Ryder's blood

[The Hitch]

There you go.

He says he chose the wrong path 10 years ago. Doesn't specify how long the path lasted and doesn't say that the path stopped 10 years ago.

 

[Samson777]

He says he chose the wrong path 10 years ago. Doesn't specify how long the path lasted and doesn't say that the path stopped 10 years ago.

He says that the mistakes was short lived, but I guess you can read that as you want.

 

[roundabout]

He says he chose the wrong path 10 years ago. Doesn't specify how long the path lasted and doesn't say that the path stopped 10 years ago.

those mistakes happened more than ten years ago, and they were short-lived

Snipped Hesjedal quote

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Avril Lavigne anyone?


No?


Ok then. Leonard Cohen.

Cohen! Now we're talking.

I'll throw Neil Young into the ring too.

 

[Benotti69]

Cohen! Now we're talking.

I'll throw Neil Young into the ring too.

This is more Jim Carrey territory

 

[pmcg76]

Who in the world starts doping, sees the fantastic results it gives you, then decides "you know what, this isn't for me!"??? In an era when guys were getting away with it, without any worry of getting caught. So we are to believe he starts doping, then decides to stop, but then continues to improve to the point where he wins a GT? Who the hell believes that?!?! I mean, at the time when he was doping, if he just stopped, then his results and performances certainly will have plummeted. You don't go from being a doped up donkey to stopping, and continuing on your upward progression. It would have taken him years to get back to that same level as when he was doping.

Well maybe take a look at Ryder's results for 2005/06. He has virtually no results of note in 05 and 4th at Tour of Cataluyna in 06 is his best result. He also didn't finish any GTs in those two years. So when you talk about fantastic results re doping, I am assuming this relates to his MTB days only. He doesn't really have a lot to get excited about between 05-07.

His improving results would then appear logical if you believe the sport getting cleaner angle as they run concurrently. If 2012 is cleaner than say 2008 then it seems more logical that his results improve likewise. Of course if you don't believe that, then of course the whole thing is illogical.

 

[Netserk]

Well maybe take a look at Ryder's results for 2005/06. He has virtually no results of note in 05 and 4th at Tour of Cataluyna in 06 is his best result. He also didn't finish any GTs in those two years. So when you talk about fantastic results re doping, I am assuming this relates to his MTB days only. He doesn't really have a lot to get excited about between 05-07.

His improving results would then appear logical if you believe the sport getting cleaner angle as they run concurrently. If 2012 is cleaner than say 2008 then it seems more logical that his results improve likewise. Of course if you don't believe that, then of course the whole thing is illogical.

According to Ryder he was clean those years.

 

[Bala Verde]

Ehrmahgerd
GT winner used doping!!!!!

 

[roundabout]

He was ok in the 2006 Vuelta before the DNF (crash?).

Question is does a top 15-20 performance in 2006 translate to a GT win in 2012?

 

[Le breton]

...
Ok then. Leonard Cohen.

...
There is a crack,
A crack in everything,
That's how the light gets in
....

(Anthem, by best singing poet alive today)

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Luckily (?) Ryder's blood does not follow the Hct = 3 x Hgb rule, or in November, 2011, he would have had the same Hct (48) that he had AFTER using EPO under Rasmussen's direction. Then 48.3 in January, 2012.

Very, very lucky...

 

[Taxus4a]

Well maybe take a look at Ryder's results for 2005/06. He has virtually no results of note in 05 and 4th at Tour of Cataluyna in 06 is his best result. He also didn't finish any GTs in those two years. So when you talk about fantastic results re doping, I am assuming this relates to his MTB days only. He doesn't really have a lot to get excited about between 05-07.

His improving results would then appear logical if you believe the sport getting cleaner angle as they run concurrently. If 2012 is cleaner than say 2008 then it seems more logical that his results improve likewise. Of course if you don't believe that, then of course the whole thing is illogical.

Very good. People understand things as ilogical, becouse thay dont want to put out of his official position.

 

[Master50]

Not much to say or add except I am truly sorry to read this today and Ryder's confirmation on the report.
I still stand by his real talent just because he was so much faster than any of his peers even at 16. I really hope he stopped and I might have to believe it but since I spent so much time defending him I must also acknowledge his admission and my broken faith in his career.
Do I still believe he won the Giro clean? Yes I DO. Could I be wrong? Yes I can.

 

[thehog]

I'm a cyclist. I'm a fan of bike racing, a fan of Jonathan Vaughters and a fan of the Garmin race team.

Using performance enhancing drugs has been prevalent and disappointing in the past and there is a credible effort to leave that race style behind. We can not deny cycling's history.

Somehow We must enter into the future which includes increased clean racing. So far Garmin has shown cycling one way toward that future.

No single route taken toward clean racing is going to please everyone. But We must move forward.

Ryder is and has been moving forward.

Let's all do the same.

Lets move forward and sweep it under the carpet...

I don't care you like him.

He doped and lied about it.

But he at least he paid for Rassmussen's dinner

 

[D-Queued]

Well maybe take a look at Ryder's results for 2005/06. He has virtually no results of note in 05 and 4th at Tour of Cataluyna in 06 is his best result. He also didn't finish any GTs in those two years. So when you talk about fantastic results re doping, I am assuming this relates to his MTB days only. He doesn't really have a lot to get excited about between 05-07.

....

According to Ryder he was clean those years.

Does that smilie qualify as 'raised eyebrows' wrt being clean in those years?

Dave.

 

[pmcg76]

Does that smilie qualify as 'raised eyebrows' wrt being clean in those years?

Dave.

I don't know but clearly you are a lot closer to this story than most on here. I am just hypothesizing. Undoubtedly there is a clear lack of results in 05-06 which could be down to a number of reasons.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Not much to say or add except I am truly sorry to read this today and Ryder's confirmation on the report.
I still stand by his real talent just because he was so much faster than any of his peers even at 16. I really hope he stopped and I might have to believe it but since I spent so much time defending him I must also acknowledge his admission and my broken faith in his career.
Do I still believe he won the Giro clean? Yes I DO. Could I be wrong? Yes I can.

Your tunnel vision ends eh?

 

[Taxus4a]

Hesjedal went to USADA to talk 10 month ago becouse he wanted.

I am still waiting for a lot of my compatriots to do the same: Rubiera, Contador, Samu,.. and in general a lot of the peloton that raced the dark era.

 

[Samson777]

Hesjedal went to USADA to talk 10 month ago becouse he wanted.

I am still waiting for a lot of my compatriots to do the same: Rubiera, Contador, Samu,.. and in general a lot of the peloton that raced the dark era.

Perhaps you forgot to answer before, it's okay, I will just ask one more time:
When was it, that the dark era ended, and everything became better? I am just really curious, that's why I ask again.

 

[Avoriaz]

Me, me me

Also Nickelback should not be forgotten.

Yes, Nickelback should be forgotten

 

[D-Queued]

I don't know but clearly you are a lot closer to this story than most on here. I am just hypothesizing. Undoubtedly there is a clear lack of results in 05-06 which could be down to a number of reasons.

His top 20 finish on Ventoux during the 2006 Dauphine, alongside mountain climber extraordinaire Hincapie, was a very impressive if not astounding result.

Particularly impressive in that he had been riding to support a lagging Landis (who ultimately finished 56th), until Landis released him from further support.

That performance by Floyd coming, of course, just before the non-miracle Tour later that year.

Dave.

 

[pmcg76]

His top 20 finish on Ventoux during the 2006 Dauphine, alongside mountain climber extraordinaire Hincapie, was a very impressive if not astounding result.

Particularly impressive in that he had been riding to support a lagging Landis (who ultimately finished 56th), until Landis released him from further support.

That performance by Floyd coming, of course, just before the non-miracle Tour later that year.

Dave.

You have a point of course but then again who was it that finished 3rd overall in the 2005 Dauphine, oh yes David Moncoutie. You see we have no way of knowing for sure what was possible riding clean in that era or indeed this current era. We can speculate but there will be outliers regardless.

Wasn't the 2006 Dauphine when Floyd had his blood withdrawn explaining his poor performance.

 

[thehog]

Hesjedal went to USADA to talk 10 month ago becouse he wanted.

I am still waiting for a lot of my compatriots to do the same: Rubiera, Contador, Samu,.. and in general a lot of the peloton that raced the dark era.

Hesjedal is cleans.

 

[the sceptic]

Hesjedal is cleans.

Never tested positive.

 

[thehog]

Never tested positive.

"Never confessed until after SOL".

I assume there's a big marathon timer clock in the Garmin Tour Bus. It's set to 8 years and slowly counts down to let riders know when they can partially confess without sanction.

I have a feeling this will end up like Zabel.