Ryder's blood

[Benotti69]

It is now November and if he confessed in April, that is a long time for a wasp or a fruit fly. More than a lifetime.

Is that a doped wasp or fruit fly?

 

[webvan]

Is there anything worse than an admitted (only because he had no choice) cheater who doesn't get any suspension because of a technicality? I'd be surprised if RH ever gets over this, especially after his terrible 2013 season...

 

[oldcrank]

Who has Canadian Cycling ever gone after to the extent that the Italian Fed has pursued Scarponi?

I recall back in the early?/mid? 70's the Canadians sanctioned the
only cyclist of note they had at that time for eating cookies.
Maybe Dave or another Canuck has the details.

 

[thehog]

Is there anything worse than an admitted (only because he had no choice) cheater who doesn't get any suspension because of a technicality? I'd be surprised if RH ever gets over this, especially after his terrible 2013 season...

Clearly in 2013 he knew what was coming at some point by Ras's author making contact.

He just didn't know when. I say he laid off the sauce a little to see how things played out.

He'll never have a 2012 ever again.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Clearly in 2013 he knew what was coming at some point by Ras's author making contact.

He just didn't know when. I say he laid off the sauce a little to see how things played out.

He'll never have a 2012 ever again.

Which probably means he can fly to Hawaii without the need to check baggage.

 

[MartinGT]

Clearly in 2013 he knew what was coming at some point by Ras's author making contact.

He just didn't know when. I say he laid off the sauce a little to see how things played out.

He'll never have a 2012 ever again.

I.e like a certain Team Sly rider?

 

[D-Queued]

I recall back in the early?/mid? 70's the Canadians sanctioned the
only cyclist of note they had at that time for eating cookies.
Maybe Dave or another Canuck has the details.

I'll have to think hard on that one.

I think (?) I have some very vague recollection of what you are referring to, but that was a long time ago.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

I.e like a certain Team Sly rider?

Correct.

But Leinders is not Ferrari, right?

I think he's better. He has connections!

Half joking there but he does appear to be a whole lot more than a goofy doctor as he was portrayed to be.

He is very well known to get the job done right, first time, every time.

I'd hire him if I didn't want to test positive.

As Rassmussen never had a blemish to his name. Just that stupid mountain biker and Cassadi which sorta lifted the lid a little.

Enough to get him ejected at a tempestuous time in the Tour. But the UCI were happy to let all of thhose whereabouts violations slip time and time again.

I'd say Leinders had a big hand in project chicken and having him get through the hoops.

Through in the presentation to ASO it's not so sweet tasting after all.

Wrong thread mind you but Leinders name just keeps popping up does it not?

 

[Netserk]

Correct.

But Leinders is not Ferrari, right?

I think he's better. He has connections!

Half joking there but he does appear to be a whole lot more than a goofy doctor as he was portrayed to be.

He is very well known to get the job done right, first time, every time.

I'd hire him if I didn't want to test positive.

As Rassmussen never had a blemish to his name. Just that stupid mountain biker and Cassadi which sorta lifted the lid a little.

Enough to get him ejected at a tempestuous time in the Tour. But the UCI were happy to let all of thhose whereabouts violations slip time and time again.

I'd say Leinders had a big hand in project chicken and having him get through the hoops.

Through in the presentation to ASO it's not so sweet tasting after all.

Wrong thread mind you but Leinders name just keeps popping up does it not?

If it's your own opinion that your post doesn't belong in this thread, but in another, why not post your post in that thread and delete this one?

You have the power

 

[mewmewmew13]

A thief if caught will always say that he will never steal again. Is he believed? No.
The repentant doper is a fallacy. Cue the statements of all the dopers. Once caught, dopers will say anything to save their backside. The only one who comes close is probably JV.

I would say you pretty well summed it up regarding my thoughts.
..haven't really had much emotion about all the 'revelations' before but this one is starting to irk...mainly because of the 'saintly' feel about Ryder's 'confession' and how he should be praised for being 'truthful'.

getting pretty d@mn sick and tired of this "I took the wrong path but learned from it and ...never again doped because I learned" crap...

 

[Avoriaz]

I'll have to think hard on that one.

I think (?) I have some very vague recollection of what you are referring to, but that was a long time ago.

Dave.

Jocelyn Lovell

 

[martinvickers]

Correct.

But Leinders is not Ferrari, right?

I think he's better. He has connections!

Half joking there but he does appear to be a whole lot more than a goofy doctor as he was portrayed to be.

He is very well known to get the job done right, first time, every time.

I'd hire him if I didn't want to test positive.

As Rassmussen never had a blemish to his name. Just that stupid mountain biker and Cassadi which sorta lifted the lid a little.

Enough to get him ejected at a tempestuous time in the Tour. But the UCI were happy to let all of thhose whereabouts violations slip time and time again.

I'd say Leinders had a big hand in project chicken and having him get through the hoops.

Through in the presentation to ASO it's not so sweet tasting after all.

Wrong thread mind you but Leinders name just keeps popping up does it not?

There's no denying that, for all the nonsense, and occasional rubbish that gets said in both directions about sky, two hires stick out like absolute sore thumbs - Yates and Leinders.

I think, personally, someone should be paying De Jongh a visit. He seems like a link between the two Leinders...

 

[Hugh Januss]

Jocelyn Lovell

Didn't he get suspended for stealing a box of cookies while traveling with the National team? I think it was around '73-'74.

 

[hrotha]

There's one thing that's been bothering me. USADA vouched for the 2004 date. Landis and Hesjedal were teammates in 2006 and both rode the Dauphiné (which is key for TdF preparation). Landis surely would have known if Hesjedal was doping back then.

So either Hesjedal didn't dope back then, or Landis didn't know, or he knew but didn't tell USADA, or USADA decided to hide that particular information. But the latter would be conspiracy theory material.

 

[thehog]

There's one thing that's been bothering me. USADA vouched for the 2004 date. Landis and Hesjedal were teammates in 2006 and both rode the Dauphiné (which is key for TdF preparation). Landis surely would have known if Hesjedal was doping back then.

So either Hesjedal didn't dope back then, or Landis didn't know, or he knew but didn't tell USADA, or USADA decided to hide that particular information. But the latter would be conspiracy theory material.

Or wasn't asked about as they were concentrating on Armstrong/USPS.

 

[Netserk]

Or wasn't asked about as they were concentrating on Armstrong/USPS.

This I think is the more likely scenario.

 

[hrotha]

Or wasn't asked about as they were concentrating on Armstrong/USPS.

Obviously he wasn't asked at the time, since, you know, Hesjedal didn't even talk until earlier this year. But allegedly the USADA has checked the timeline of Hesjedal's confession after he made it by asking other sources. And they have access to Landis.

 

[WinterRider]

I was just thinking about Ryder's ill gotten gains from doping. One of which is a training base in Hawaii. The only other pro I know of who lived and trained there is LA.

Does anyone know if living and training there presents doping advantages? Does USADA do a lot of testing there? Or is a "safe" place to dope up while training?

How about Garmin? Were they monitoring Ryder at all when he was training in Hawaii?

 

[FitSsikS]

I recall back in the early?/mid? 70's the Canadians sanctioned the
only cyclist of note they had at that time for eating cookies.
Maybe Dave or another Canuck has the details.

That story and a bit more: click > The Montreal Gazette - Aug 14, 1974

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Basso = repentant doper, he admitted all that he was caught for.

The truth is spoken.

 

[northstar]

There’s some confusion on when Hesjedal talked to authorities. I think he initially talked to anti-doping officials sometime in the fall of 2012. (RH quote: ‘I believe that being truthful will help the sport continue to move forward, and over a year ago when I was contacted by anti-doping authorities, I was open and honest about my past’).

Interesting USADA contacted him and not the other way around. I am guessing he’s the redacted name in M. Barry’s affidavit and USADA contacted RH once they received the affidavit. Barry's affidavit was signed Oct. 8. Or, alternatively, JV could have told USADA about RH’s doping past. Not sure why the long delay until the next reported meeting with USADA/CCES in the spring of this year. With the doping being outside SOL maybe it was not high priority for USADA to get a full ‘official’ confession until then.
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[DirtyWorks]

Late to this story, but Bike Snob NYC sums up pro cycling very, very well.

"Oh yeah, I'm sorry I was part of the 'dark past' of cycling. So what's this 'dark past?' Well, it's a bit of a moving target really, but suffice to say it's the period immediately preceding the current statute of limitations.

Coincidentally though we all cleaned up just a little over eight years ago, and the sport's all better now. That's why I was able to win the Giro d'Italia. I swear on Jonathan Vaughters's sideburns.

In case it wasn't linked, Tilford got pretty mad about being apparently beaten by a doper way back in the mountain bike days for Ryder. Calls out the rest of the Canadian's from Ryder's era too.

http://stevetilford.com/2013/10/31/remorseful-ryder-hesjedal/

All conveniently 10 years ago.

 

[sniper]

Late to this story, but Bike Snob NYC sums up pro cycling very, very well.

"Oh yeah, I'm sorry I was part of the 'dark past' of cycling. So what's this 'dark past?' Well, it's a bit of a moving target really, but suffice to say it's the period immediately preceding the current statute of limitations.

Coincidentally though we all cleaned up just a little over eight years ago, and the sport's all better now. That's why I was able to win the Giro d'Italia. I swear on Jonathan Vaughters's sideburns.

In case it wasn't linked, Tilford got pretty mad about being apparently beaten by a doper way back in the mountain bike days for Ryder. Calls out the rest of the Canadian's from Ryder's era too.

http://stevetilford.com/2013/10/31/remorseful-ryder-hesjedal/

All conveniently 10 years ago.

Parisien not happy and not buying it.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/francois-parisien-unconvinced-by-hesjedals-doping-confession

“These guys have been lying for lots of years and now they decide to confess. But they only did so after they had been exposed and with their backs against the wall.

“It makes me sick,” Parisien said about his Olympic dream being taken away from him. “I feel a lot of frustration and disgust. These frauds defined a large part of my career since I was young.

 

[Benotti69]

someone else not buying the only once in 2003 line from Hesjedal.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs...l-hesjedal-doing-cycling-proud-164804084.html

 

[thehog]

someone else not buying the only once in 2003 line from Hesjedal.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs...l-hesjedal-doing-cycling-proud-164804084.html

Yes very good.

I like:

In winning the Giro almost a decade after putting his "mistakes" behind him, Hesjedal joined the select (to the point of non-existent) list of riders who quit doping in order to win a Grand Tour clean.