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That's fine, but I doubt the Vuelta organization took kindly to having their race effectively castrated, whilst being decided at the table by one team that monopolized the podium. Such dominance made the race unnecessary to follow once the decision was made to shut the internal competition down, when it could have been the best GT of the year.
Not Jumbo's fault that the others didn't really show up ready to race.
 
Not Jumbo's fault that the others didn't really show up ready to race.

The problem is, Mikel Landa posted the 5th best Angliru time ever, Wout Poels the 7th, Almeida the 11th, Uijtdebroecks the 15th and Buitrago the 16th. It's not like they're just not at a good enough level. This isn't somebody dropping early 00s US Postal into the 2008 or 2011 Tours where the times were a level below the previous generations. They are putting out absolutely crazy elite climbing levels themselves, and still being outclassed like this, so I think there's more to it than "other teams need to get good". They already are good. They're just being made to look like they're not.
 
Not Jumbo's fault that the others didn't really show up ready to race.
That indeed was the issue, but mostly because Remco messed up the preparation. He never should have focussed on the WCITT, if he entertained beating Vingegaard and Roglic. Had he done that we'd have had a real race. What is Jumbo's fault, however, is neutralizing the race to make sure Kuss won.
 
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If my "if my aunt had balls" wasn't unnecessarily rude, then I don't know what is. Whereas the results themselves tell the undeniable truth: in 3-up raced mountain finishes and the TT, Kuss was the weakest of the trio. But don't let facts get in the way of silly conclusions. And I'm not unsatisfied with the result, but the obscene manner in which it was achieved. A GT should not be decided at the table within one team. It makes a mockery of the race and is a perversion of the sport.


"if my aunt had balls" is a saying we use here and is nota personal attack unlike what you said about my comment ... 'you are full of ***' a person rude remark

If my aunt had balls is a saying around here and not a personal attack like 'you are full of ***' because you dont agree with my views...Bully boy reply cos someone has the audacity to disagree with you
It means there are many things that could have happened , many scenarios but they didnt. We should congratulate Sepp Kuss
But I'm full of *** ? Look in the mirror mate
Consider yourself ignored ..cant abide a rude bully throwing their toys out of the pram because someone didn't think like they did.

Some people on this forum make me want to close my account. They have no respect and are on here not to debate but to brow beat others with their views. They cant be wrong ...Its very sad really
 
If Remco hadn't said that he wanted to give the jersey away, Kuss wouldn't have won the Vuelta.
You think that's what Jumbo cared about when they made the race explode on that stage? Of course not. Apparently it was a real fight at the beginning of the stage, and Jumbo managed to get in the break with 4 guys. Three guys burying themselves for Kuss. Nothing Quickstep could do about it. They didn't just let Kuss up the road.
 
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Again though, it's more that they did neither, and flip-flopped that causes the problem.

Had they simply gone "Sepp's ahead on the road, so we ride for him until he's dropped - if he's dropped" then yes the last week would have been tame, but it would have been understood.

Had they said "since we've got the podium locked down, the team are free to race" then it might have ruffled some feathers, but the winner would have been the best rider in the race.

Instead, they let them race just long enough to showcase that Kuss was the weakest rider of the three, then reined it all in in the face of online criticism, leaving a wholly unsatisfactory outcome from a racing point of view, leaving only those who wanted Kuss to win for sentimentality reasons satisfied; we know Roglič and Vingegaard could have gone faster but weren't allowed, we know Kuss got the win as a charity case as he was the weakest of the three, and we know the team either weren't able to control their leaders if they did intend to support Kuss, or they allowed social media to dictate their team policy.

That's why we're seeing the reactions.
Wonder how Sepp could have done with a helper, like himself, to manage the gap to his two team mates?
 
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If my aunt had balls is a saying around here and not a personal attack like 'you are full of ***' because you dont agree with my views...Bully boy reply cos someone has the audacity to disagree with you
It means there are many things that could have happened , many scenarios but they didnt. We should congratulate Sepp Kuss
But I'm full of *** ? Look in the mirror mate
Consider yourself ignored ..cant abide a rude bully throwing their toys out of the pram because someone didn't think like they did.

Some people on this forum make me want to close my account. They have no respect and are on here not to debate but to brow beat others with their views. They cant be wrong ...Its very sad really
Just because it's a "saying around here" doesn't make it any less rude. Secondly, I didn't say you are full of sh-it, which in this case naturally I think you are, but that's beside the point, rather "either/or" and there is a difference. It's unbelievably absurd how you of all people want to give lessons on civil discourse, then when someone dares to disagree with you throw a hissy-fit and claim you were mistreated. Poor form mate, while all of this without addressing the inconvenient truth I pointed out (namely, the weakest of the trio was designated what you referred to as the so-called deserved winner), because you can't deny it and so, like a scoundrel, attack the poster instead. Talk about what's really sad.
 
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You think that's what Jumbo cared about when they made the race explode on that stage? Of course not. Apparently it was a real fight at the beginning of the stage, and Jumbo managed to get in the break with 4 guys. Three guys burying themselves for Kuss. Nothing Quickstep could do about it. They didn't just let Kuss up the road.
Yes, because that's exactly why Jumbo worked so damn hard to put Sepp up the road. It certainly wasn't to serve him victory on a plate that was prepared for Vingegaard and Roglic. If Remco hadn't been so stupid as to broadcast to the world he wanted to give the jersey away, there simply would not have been such a ferocious fight to get into a break, while that break certainly would not have been so numerous as a result. The size of the break was caused by the great many who fancied their chances of obtaining red (for themselves or a teammate) and it was that size that gave Kuss such a margin of time, whilst a free ride to victory.
 
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