Teams & Riders Sepp Kuss is the next Sepp Kuss thread

[FroomeWagon]

Any chance that today's results are because Vinge really dislikes Roglic? It appears there could be some bad blood between those two. Maybe Vinge wants to make sure that Roglic doesn't win in case Sepp doesn't and therefore leapfrogged him today. Furthermore, could Vinge be worried that his role as sole leader for next years TDF is in jeopardy if Roglic wins?

If I remember correctly, Sepp waited for Roglic on the Angliru a couple of years ago. I guess we will see is Sepp has the legs. Tomorrow is going to be really fun to watch.

 

[joe_papp]

"I don't want to win the Vuelta as a present, for me that's not sport."

He just won me over.

Lol.

You seriously think he'd prefer to lose the Vuelta than be gifted it by a teammate?

 

[dobrien]

I could be wrong, but I would assume there is a lot of money at stake for Sepp LKuss? Must be paid a lot less than Roglic and Vingegaard and surely has some incentives for unlikely scenarios like winning the Vuelta?

I would guess that he is getting paid a really good salary (since he's the best in the world at his job) but limited personal performance bonuses since Jumbo isn't employing him to win races? Possibly some bonus money if the team has great results in the GT's he's riding (which they have). I would guess after the season he's having he'd be in line for a decent salary bump, that's for sure. No actual knowledge of this, just conjecture based on his role. Be interesting to know!

 

[tobydawq]

Lol.

You seriously think he'd prefer to lose the Vuelta than be gifted it by a teammate?

I don't think it's unlikely.

 

[Gargamel35]

Any chance that today's results are because Vinge really dislikes Roglic? It appears there could be some bad blood between those two. Maybe Vinge wants to make sure that Roglic doesn't win in case Sepp doesn't and therefore leapfrogged him today. Furthermore, could Vinge be worried that his role as sole leader for next years TDF is in jeopardy if Roglic wins?

If I remember correctly, Sepp waited for Roglic on the Angliru a couple of years ago. I guess we will see is Sepp has the legs. Tomorrow is going to be really fun to watch.

Jonas gains nothing with Roglič in the same team, except loosing another domestique.

 

[RedheadDane]

He can be million times Tour champ, but has no class. Nothing.

Would you say the same if Vingegaard's and Roglic's positions had been reversed?

I would (have) prefer(red) for Kuss to win the Vuelta, simply for the coolness of having the same team win all three GTs with different riders. However, cycling doesn't care about coolness.

 

[dobrien]

Lol.

You seriously think he'd prefer to lose the Vuelta than be gifted it by a teammate?

So you're going to put words in Sepp's mouth? It's not about preferring to lose the Vuelta, it's about wanting to win it on the road rather than having it gifted to him. I have little doubt based on his own words he would find a Vuelta won as a gift to be a very hollow victory, because, you know, he's got character.

 

[JosefK]

Whatever happens on stage 17, Sepp has had a fantastic season. He saved the Giro for Rog when G and Joao went up the road after the last rest day, and he played a big role in Vingo's TDF win. Also, a stage victory at this Vuelta and many days the wearer of the red jersey. A podium place is still possible, which would be incredible in his third GT of the season.

 

[FroomeWagon]

So you're going to put words in Sepp's mouth? It's not about preferring to lose the Vuelta, it's about wanting to win it on the road rather than having it gifted to him. I have little doubt based on his own words he would find a Vuelta won as a gift to be a very hollow victory, because, you know, he's got character.

Sepp Kuss may not win this year's Vuelta, but instead he may become "the people's champion."

 

[joe_papp]

could it be as Jumbo Visma explained - simply to get a stagewin for their loved teammate who was in a coma after being reived.?

Do you guys listen to yourselves when you say stuff like this?

 

[Gargamel35]

Would you say the same if Vingegaard's and Roglic's positions had been reversed?

I would (have) prefer(red) for Kuss to win the Vuelta, simply for the coolness of having the same team win all three GTs with different riders. However, cycling doesn't care about coolness.

Absolutely. But Rog wouldn't go against team plan and attack a teamate out of a whim. He plays by the book way too much and pays the price.

 

[RedheadDane]

Also, a stage victory at this Vuelta and many days the wearer of the red jersey. A podium place is still possible, which would be incredible in his third GT of the season.

And let's not forget that everyone was expecting him to lose the Jersey after the ITT.

 

[samhocking]

I kind of get the shuffling of Jumbo riders ever further ahead of Aruso, but as it only gained them 7s on him re. getting into third spot of the podium, I'm struggling to see any team race craft justification or reason for such moves by Vingo unless one of the three Jumbo riders do fall off the podium. Until then the status quo is almost impenetrable anyway. All that effort for really no gain re. the Jumbodium is an odd one.

 

[joe_papp]

I don't think it's unlikely.

I think it's incredibly unlikely, even if just for what an insult it would be to his stronger, better teammate(s) to reject their gifting him a GT win. Someone tries to gift you a GT win...you don't spit in their face.

This is more likely just Kuss pre-seeding the media to report fawningly over him when he loses the lead. The idea that he wouldn't actually want to win even if his biggest rival crashed out with a broken collarbone is silly.

 

[dobrien]

I think it's incredibly unlikely, even if just for what an insult it would be to his stronger, better teammate(s) to reject their gifting him a GT win. Someone tries to gift you a GT win...you don't spit in their face.

This is more likely just Kuss pre-seeding the media to report fawningly over him when he loses the lead. The idea that he wouldn't actually want to win even if his biggest rival crashed out with a broken collarbone is silly.

Did you read what you just posted? There is ZERO comparison between winning a race because your teammate crashed out (bad luck, part of the sport), and winning because your stronger teammate held back and let you have it. In the latter case, I don't know how you could stand up on the podium and not feel sheepish about it; EVERYONE would know you were not the best. It's one thing to be gifted a stage by a patron, but a flipping GT win should never be a gift, ever, and based on Sepp's actual words, seems he agrees.

And as far as your statement that it would be an insult to the stronger better teammate to reject their gift, what is this, The Mafia or something? Sheesh.

 

[joe_papp]

Did you read what you just posted? There is ZERO comparison between winning a race because your teammate crashed out (bad luck, part of the sport), and winning because your stronger teammate held back and let you have it. In the latter case, I don't know how you could stand up on the podium and not feel sheepish about it; EVERYONE would know you were not the best. It's one thing to be gifted a stage by a patron, but a flipping GT win should never be a gift, ever, and based on Sepp's actual words, seems he agrees.

And as far as your statement that it would be an insult to the stronger better teammate to reject their gift, what is this, The Mafia or something? Sheesh.

You live in a fantasy world if you don't think that Kuss would hungrily accept a gifted GT win, regardless of what he says publicly to the contrary,.

 

[GroupDK]

I think it's incredibly unlikely, even if just for what an insult it would be to his stronger, better teammate(s) to reject their gifting him a GT win. Someone tries to gift you a GT win...you don't spit in their face.

This is more likely just Kuss pre-seeding the media to report fawningly over him when he loses the lead. The idea that he wouldn't actually want to win even if his biggest rival crashed out with a broken collarbone is silly.

Doesn't make sense the nonsense your writing..
It's just "gifting Grand tours" from his teammates....
Nah, c'mon bud..the last thing we want in a 3-week race is a gifted win... let them battle and let the strongest rider win, and let's hope it makes some entertaining cycling, we all can enjoy...
Strongest rider for the win, needs to carry some weight in a Grand Tours, and not stand upside down trying to find a reason for why the strongest rider, aint the right winner.
The only reason that Seb Kuss is where he is at, is because of a +3min breakaway group on stage6, if it wasn't for that, he would be minutes after Vingegaard and down at 5 or 6 in GC.
Its not an easy place to be for Vingegaard.. being teh strongest rider. coming to Vuelta for the win as captain and double TdF winner, and the only reason your atm not wearing the red jersey is a breakaway on stage 6, which he in fact greenlit as the captain but likely didn't expect to have so far consequences.

 

[samhocking]

You live in a fantasy world if you don't think that Kuss would hungrily accept a gifted GT win, regardless of what he says publicly to the contrary,.

I agree, although Kuss is a quirky dude. Saying that though, they're all very media trained to the extreme by Jumbo it seems. I simply don't believe Kuss saying he wants to race in the shadows. of Roglic & Vingo.

 

[RedheadDane]

You live in a fantasy world if you don't think that Kuss would hungrily accept a gifted GT win, regardless of what he says publicly to the contrary,.

If course he's not gonna pull the brakes if they stay with him from now on. Still doesn't change the fact that he'd very likely prefer to win the Vuelta, not having it gifted.

 

[theyoungest]

You live in a fantasy world if you don't think that Kuss would hungrily accept a gifted GT win, regardless of what he says publicly to the contrary,.

Kuss would never have been in this situation if it weren't for his team, something the haters seem to forget. They allowed him to go in the break, and they worked for him to make the break stick. They don't owe him anything. If he manages to make the Vuelta podium, that's enough of a gift for a super domestique. You don't give away a GT win. Come on people. Kuss seems to know this, the number of his fans that haven't reached this level of maturity is quite worrying.

I mean, take a look at Jumbo's social media... from the reactions, it's like Vingegaard shot him in the face or something.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I mean, take a look at Jumbo's social media... from the reactions, it's like Vingegaard shot him in the face or something.

Maybe he shat him in the face due to his bowel issues earlier in the race.

 

[dobrien]

You live in a fantasy world if you don't think that Kuss would hungrily accept a gifted GT win, regardless of what he says publicly to the contrary,.

Lolol, you are something else. The press shouldn't even bother to interview Sepp, they should just come right to you!

There is a little something called 'character'; some have it, some don't. And I do not believe that someone with real character would ever be able to stand up on that podium and truly enjoy a win gifted to them by someone obviously stronger. Regarding character, your insistence to the contrary despite what Sepp has said repeatedly provides insight into yours imho.

 

[Gargamel35]

Kuss would never have been in this situation if it weren't for his team, something the haters seem to forget. They allowed him to go in the break, and they worked for him to make the break stick. They don't owe him anything. If he manages to make the Vuelta podium, that's enough of a gift for a super domestique. You don't give away a GT win. Come on people. Kuss seems to know this, the number of his fans that haven't reached this level of maturity is quite worrying.

I mean, take a look at Jumbo's social media... from the reactions, it's like Vingegaard shot him in the face or something.

Right now they are gifting the win to Jonas by not allowing Kuss/Rog to ride as they like. They need to wait for Jonas to make his best move which means they are gifting time to him. I guess Jonas has no problem taking gifts but Kuss should be embarassed?

 

[dobrien]

I agree, although Kuss is a quirky dude. Saying that though, they're all very media trained to the extreme by Jumbo it seems. I simply don't believe Kuss saying he wants to race in the shadows. of Roglic & Vingo.

Sepp isn't saying he wants to race in their shadows, he's saying he wants to win it on the road. They are not the same thing.

 

[theyoungest]

Right now they are gifting the win to Jonas by not allowing Kuss/Rog to ride as they like. They need to wait for Jonas to make his best move which means they are gifting time to him. I guess Jonas has no problem taking gifts but Kuss should be embarassed?

What? Today's win wasn't a gift. Neither was Tourmalet. Roglic couldn't have done either of those. It's not his style and it's not where his strength lies.

Yes, Vingo profited in both instances from the lack of an organized chase, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have won regardless.