Sky/Froome Talk Only (No Way Sky Are Cleans?)

[Libertine Seguros]

I'm going to do a thehog to help out here



And there are serious question marks over Cunego and Menchov. Various folk are not too happy with Ryders blood values, and Evans has got question marks over his 2000 link with Ferrari, doping teams and cleft jaw. Does that leave anyone? Oh, Sastre....who was riding for CSC and Riis

Why the hell is Cobo in red? Never tested positive, never been named in a bust. El Bisonte de la Pesa has nothing against his name. What makes him different to the Sky guys? So he rode on a team that scrambled from the Tour in the wake of positive tests. So did Bradley Wiggins, a year earlier. Froome's only saved from the same ignominy by Barloworld not running home with their tail between their legs when Dueñas got popped.

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

I dint think he will challenge froome at the tour. If he did it would be hypocrisy on an unprescedented scale in the history of mankind.

Or at least since Lemond and Hinault. Or Armstrong and Contador for that matter.

 

[xcleigh]

Anyone who places a hair's weight of trust in Wiggins' word after seeing him weasel his way out of his contract with Garmin is truly an idiot. This is a man--if you can call him one--who has no problem whatsoever telling people, even signing papers to the effect, one thing then going back on his word as soon as it is convenient or advantageous to him.

Trying too hard to make Wiggins out as a bad person I think. Only bad, evil, nasty people dope, eh?

 

[xcleigh]

Or at least since Lemond and Hinault. Or Armstrong and Contador for that matter.

HA got there before me That's exactly what I thought, Lemond and Hinault a prime example of two competitive riders not exactly seeing eye to eye. Yeah Hinault 'helped' Lemond by making the race as hard as bloody possible for Lemond so it was a 'genuine' win I'm sure Lemond appreciated the 3 week gesture.

 

[armchairclimber]

Bro Deal is right about Wiggins not being a man of his word....leaving Garmin was a ****ty thing to do (in my book).

Nice hyperbole Hitch

At least Hitler and Stalin were upfront about being despots. Where does Brailsford fit in though? Pol pot.

I think Wiggins is just ****-stirring with talk of the Giro/TDF double. Good political move as it would look pretty bad should Brailsford prevent him from defending his title.

 

[BroDeal]

Trying too hard to make Wiggins out as a bad person I think. Only bad, evil, nasty people dope, eh?

Someone who does not think the rules should apply to him is the same type of person who would have no qualms about doping. He used threats from Sky's lawyers to extord Garmin into releasing him. A person who would resort to that in public to get what he wanted would have no problem doping in secret to get what he wanted.

 

[The Hitch]

Or at least since Lemond and Hinault. Or Armstrong and Contador for that matter.

no it's got nothing to do with teammates opposing eachother. What I am talking about is how everytime last year that Wiggins was asked if froome would be given a free role at the tdf he said that sky don't do free roles, that the team can only have 1 leader for which everyone works. (Knowing of course the whole time that he would be given the lead role and therefore froome would have to work for him)

But Now that froome is leader, suddenly Wiggins doesn't think there is any problem in a team having more than 1 leader. Hillarious.

It's totally different to any disputes between lemond hinault or Contador Armstrong.
It's Wiggins following one set of rules when it suits him, then denying those rules exist when he finds himself on the other end.

 

[armchairclimber]

The fact that he looks after No 1 shouldn't really come as a surprise.

I wonder if he'd be so arsey if Froome hadn't done his bit of showboating.
Probably.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Bro Deal is right about Wiggins not being a man of his word....leaving Garmin was a ****ty thing to do (in my book).

Nice hyperbole Hitch

At least Hitler and Stalin were upfront about being despots. Where does Brailsford fit in though? Pol pot.

I think Wiggins is just ****-stirring with talk of the Giro/TDF double. Good political move as it would look pretty bad should Brailsford prevent him from defending his title.

Just waiting for Jello Biafra's take on Team Sky then.

 

[BroDeal]

The fact that he looks after No 1 shouldn't really come as a surprise.

I wonder if he'd be so arsey if Froome hadn't done his bit of showboating.
Probably.

The question here is whether Froome has the cojones to ride for himself despite the team's goals. Brailsfraud would rather have Wiggins do the double or simply be a two time winner. Since Froome gave up his chances to win the Giro, I am doubting whether he has the balls--sorry, I mean bollox.

 

[del1962]

Just waiting for Jello Biafra's take on Team Sky then.

Perhaps he will have a chat with the modfather

 

[xcleigh]

Someone who does not think the rules should apply to him is the same type of person who would have no qualms about doping. He used threats from Sky's lawyers to extord Garmin into releasing him. A person who would resort to that in public to get what he wanted would have no problem doping in secret to get what he wanted.

Trying too hard, or just not getting it? Just because you deem him to be a nasty, bad person does not therefore make him more or less disposed to doping. Otherwise how do you explain "nice" guys doping?
You don't need to assassinate his character to explain his 'supposed' doping. Stick with Lienders, ex-dopers on the team, Zero tolerance re-written etc etc. this is more compelling rather than personal opinions on a persons character.

 

[coinneach]

Usual pile of hateful comments above.

Wiggins is saying what he'd like to do; that's not the same as what he will do.

IF he wins the giro, and keeps his form, its going to be very hard not to make him leader for the tour....not many riders have done the double:
Fausto Coppi, Jacques Anquetil, Eddy Merckx, Bernard Hinault, Roche, Miguel Indurain and Marco Pantani.

Personally I don't think he'll win either, but you can understand the allure of joining that select group.

If he doesn't win the giro, there is (almost) no way he should be made leader for the tour, whatever he wants.

For all the negative comments Brailsford gets here, I can't think of many team managers who find it easy to manage this situation.

It'll be fascinating to see how both races pan out: Sky versus the rest (to start with, anyway)

 

[BroDeal]

Trying too hard, or just not getting it? Just because you deem him to be a nasty, bad person does not therefore make him more or less disposed to doping. Otherwise how do you explain "nice" guys doping?
You don't need to assassinate his character to explain his 'supposed' doping. Stick with Lienders, ex-dopers on the team, Zero tolerance re-written etc etc. this is more compelling rather than personal opinions on a persons character.

We are not talking about whether someone is a nice person or not. We are talking about someone who does not think rules should apply to him. If that does not make someone more likely to dope then I don't know what does. Sorry if you are too thick to understand the connection.

 

[the sceptic]

Usual pile of hateful comments above.

Wiggins is saying what he'd like to do; that's not the same as what he will do.

IF he wins the giro, and keeps his form, its going to be very hard not to make him leader for the tour....not many riders have done the double:
Fausto Coppi, Jacques Anquetil, Eddy Merckx, Bernard Hinault, Roche, Miguel Indurain and Marco Pantani.

Personally I don't think he'll win either, but you can understand the allure of joining that select group.

If he doesn't win the giro, there is (almost) no way he should be made leader for the tour, whatever he wants.

For all the negative comments Brailsford gets here, I can't think of many team managers who find it easy to manage this situation.

It'll be fascinating to see how both races pan out: Sky versus the rest (to start with, anyway)

How many years did these guys spend trying to keep up with the gruppetto before they did the double?

 

[xcleigh]

We are not talking about whether someone is a nice person or not. We are talking about someone who does not think rules should apply to him. If that does not make someone more likely to dope then I don't know what does. Sorry if you are too thick to understand the connection.

So what you're saying is if you break one set of rules you will be much more disposed to break another set. A rather simplistic, black and white view in my (too thick to understand) opinion.
"We are talking about someone who does not think rules should apply to him" Which is a character trait, no?

But do keep up the Victorian mind reading tricks though "Brailsfraud would rather have Wiggins do the double or simply be a two time winner".

 

[armchairclimber]

Just waiting for Jello Biafra's take on Team Sky then.

Well his advice would be "It's tough kid but it's life".

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

It's totally different to any disputes between lemond hinault or Contador Armstrong.

Say what???? I know that you know enough that it's wildly incorrect to characterize these 2 situations above as simple instances of an established agreement between riders that they decide it out on the road. Both were a litany of subterfuge and false promises made in well advance that were unilaterally "updated" by one of the riders, either during the event or in the months leading up to it.

Seems to have much more in common with the current Wiggins - Froome love in that not.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Woah, Wiggins certainly brings out the darkside of the clinic.

I'll get the popcorn

 

[The Hitch]

Say what???? I know that you know enough that it's wildly incorrect to characterize these 2 situations above as simple instances of an established agreement between riders that they decide it out on the road. Both were a litany of subterfuge and false promises made in well advance that were unilaterally "updated" by one of the riders, either during the event or in the months leading up to it.

Seems to have much more in common with the current Wiggins - Froome love in that not.

You seem to be talking about something completely different
My point is that Wiggins denied froome the right to challenge for the tour last year, by saying that to win the tour everyone must unite behind one leader no matter how good they are.

Now that it's Wiggins turn to play domestique, and he sees how it sucks to spend 3 weeks riding your *** off for someone else, suddenly he has second thoughts and he no longer thinks the 2nd best rider in the team should sacrifice himself.

If he follows this through to July it will be an amazingly hypocritical act.*
If you think Armstrong or hinault demonstrated equally hypocritical behaviour in their respective years, please explain.

 

[Benotti69]

Usual pile of hateful comments above.

Wiggins is saying what he'd like to do; that's not the same as what he will do.

IF he wins the giro, and keeps his form, its going to be very hard not to make him leader for the tour....not many riders have done the double:
Fausto Coppi, Jacques Anquetil, Eddy Merckx, Bernard Hinault, Roche, Miguel Indurain and Marco Pantani.

Personally I don't think he'll win either, but you can understand the allure of joining that select group.

If he doesn't win the giro, there is (almost) no way he should be made leader for the tour, whatever he wants.

For all the negative comments Brailsford gets here, I can't think of many team managers who find it easy to manage this situation.

It'll be fascinating to see how both races pan out: Sky versus the rest (to start with, anyway)

Wow you are lumping Wiggins in with the pharmacists dream team!! Good call

 

[xcleigh]

If you think Armstrong or hinault demonstrated equally hypocritical behaviour in their respective years, please explain.

If you haven't already done so I highly suggest you read "slaying the badger", that will explain it all you need, superb read.

 

[enCYCLOpedia]

You missed:
he is of the silly rings, he is on O rings now [marginal gain - 1]

That's something that stood out from the interview for me as well (and the fact that he kept referring to "Lance" quite a bit).
Next, Chris Froome will be telling us he's improved his recovery time after he stopped doing "that silly warm down routine".

It's not about the bike, remember?

 

[gillan1969]

How many years did these guys spend trying to keep up with the gruppetto before they did the double?

indeed........

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

My point is that Wiggins denied froome the right to challenge for the tour last year, by saying that to win the tour everyone must unite behind one leader no matter how good they are.

Now that it's Wiggins turn to play domestique, and he sees how it sucks to spend 3 weeks riding your *** off for someone else, suddenly he has second thoughts and he no longer thinks the 2nd best rider in the team should sacrifice himself.

If he follows this through to July it will be an amazingly hypocritical act.*
If you think Armstrong or hinault demonstrated equally hypocritical behaviour in their respective years, please explain.

Seriously? That's exactly what happened between Lemond and Hinault in 1985 and 1986. It's one of the most legendary stories in the history of cycling. Lemond, already arguably a stronger rider than Hinault in 1985, agreed to support his 5th TdF win in return for Hinault backing Lemond in 1986. Hinault totally went back on that promise and went tooth and nail with Lemond for the 1986 yellow.

Armstrong and Contador not quite the same since it all happened in relation to one single TdF, but Armstrong did follow through a progression over several months of "I'm coming back for Livestrong awareness, not to win" to "I'm probably not even going to ride the TdF" to "I'll ride the TdF but Contador is a great champion who will be our team leader" to "We'll decide it on the road" and finally to using his minions on the team to ditch Contador for significant time losses on an early stage during which the peloton split in crosswinds coming around a corner.

You're telling me that neither of these bears any resemblance to the current Froomiggins shenanigans?