Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[MarioeTheo]

Now I think Pogi will only be able to take 20-25 seconds in Hautacam 🙁

25 sec in Hautacam
More 1 minute in the MTT.

2 more wins. 4 in total.

Almost 3 minutes going to Superbagnères. I am ok with that.

Then, he just needs to follow the danish. That's it.

 

[Unchained]

Pog lives in their heads without paying rent. I hope he blows them out of the universe on hautacam.

While I totally agree with you.. Lenny Martinez and his family tribute today possibly saved many from more mental anguish!!
Had Pogacar stayed on the gas, didn't slow down to take pace from Lenny he would have likely put another10-20 seconds into the trailing riders who he left in the dust!! Vingegaard is hyper concentrating on every Pog does!!

 

[Cycling111]

In the Tour 24 Pogacar could drop Vingegaard already early in the Galibier stage. This year he couldn't drop him until now..

This year they haven't yet climbed any mountain similar to Galibier.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

25 sec in Hautacam
More 1 minute in the MTT.

2 more wins. 4 in total.

Almost 3 minutes going to Superbagnères. I am ok with that.

Then, he just needs to follow the danish. That's it.

I don't think the MTT will produce big gaps: probably not more than 30 seconds between top2. The climb is too easy. I think Pogi will attack hard in the Pyrenees (Hautacam likely) but even now the GC situation means he just needs to follow Vingo.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I don't think the MTT will produce big gaps: probably not more than 30 seconds between top2. The climb is too easy. I think Pogi will attack hard in the Pyrenees (Hautacam likely) but even now the GC situation means he just needs to follow Vingo.

He needs to go all out in Hautacam even with Vingegaard on his wheel. He cannot chase Matteo on Tourmalet or other big climb before the MTF

 

[Peyroteo94]

Sivakov is vital for UAE. He really needs to recover for the last week. He should just ride in the gruppetto until he is good again.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

He needs to go all out in Hautacam even with Vingegaard on his wheel. He cannot chase Matteo on Tourmalet or other big climb before the MTF

Yup, putting time on Jorge will make the tactical situation easier before the mamooth Superbagneres stage (which is probably marked red by Visma tacticians: Grischa and Trine).

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yup, putting time on Jorge will make the tactical situation easier before the mamooth Superbagneres stage (which is probably marked red by Visma tacticians: Grischa and Trine).

Hautacam and MTT are important to put Matteo over 4 minutes.

 

[yaf2]

Imo uae shouldn't let any visma rider in the break in the hard mountain stages in that way they are negating a campanarts like yesterday. U could easily isolate pog 3 vs 1 like yesterday at the top of the penultimate climb that helps Jorgenson to reserve his energy until the last climb. It seems uae directors aren't learning anything from giro letting vanaert in break

 

[fenns]

Just follow Jonas until and if Jorgenson attacks don't waste energy sprinting him down let a steady pace do that - if Jorgenson gets 30 secs so what?

 

[Peyroteo94]

Imo uae shouldn't let any visma rider in the break in the hard mountain stages in that way they are negating a campanarts like yesterday. U could easily isolate pog 3 vs 1 like yesterday at the top of the penultimate climb that helps Jorgenson to reserve his energy until the last climb. It seems uae directors aren't learning anything from giro letting vanaert in break

They don't have power to respond to Visma

 

[Cycling111]

The worrying thing for Pogacar is this.

23	Kuss Sepp	Team Visma | Lease a Bike				5:58
24	Yates Adam	UAE Team Emirates - XRG				6:23

Kuss has had a miserable two years, and yesterday he was better than Pogacar's best mountain domestique.

Simon hadn't won a GT in seven years and won the Giro, setting Finestre's record.

Visma has the ability to get all its riders to perform better than ever in GTs.
And Finestre's performance is a test for Loze. Just as Roglic's ITT in Lussari was a test for Vingegaard's ITT in Combloux.

That Kuss, who was the worst performer, finished better than Adam yesterday is very worrying, especially because Kuss worked more tan Adam yesterday.

With such a collective superiority, Pogacar has to be on Vingegaard's wheel. Vingegaard is the one who is forced to attack, and Pogacar must take advantage of that.

 

[Jack_89]

Visma here, Visma there....Kuss, Yates, WVA...yeah.
I suggest people to reseach what happened with Contador in the 2013 Tour and Giro 2015. Look at him, look at teams. Then make a conclusion.

 

[yaf2]

They don't have power to respond to Visma

Do u mean in break formation?

 

[Peyroteo94]

Contador clearly prefers Vingegaard. What cycling is my all time favorite seeing...

"Tadej kept pushing — but he just couldn’t shake Vingegaard" - Alberto Contador sees Visma tactics have effect on Pogacar on stage 10 of 2025 Tour de France

Two-time Tour de France champion Alberto Contador has offered his post-stage analysis on Eurosport, casting a sharp eye over Tadej Pogacar’s explosive effort in Stage 10 — and why it ultimately failed...

cyclinguptodate.com

 

[Cycling111]

Visma here, Visma there....Kuss, Yates, WVA...yeah.
I suggest people to reseach what happened with Contador in the 2013 Tour and Giro 2015. Look at him, look at teams. Then make a conclusion.

Yes, and Pogacar won the 2020 Tour with a shitty team. But it's never good to be 4 vs 1 in a Tour.

I'd like to see Vingegard in that situation, rather than the comfort of always having teammates on the final climb and breakaways. It's mentally draining and depends on what the other team does.Pogacar will depend on Visma's pace to attack. Even though he's stronger, it's not a comfortable situation.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Do u mean in break formation?

Yes. Like you saw, they were all cooked and WVA wasn't great. Unfortunately, Almeida was a key domestique and Sivakov is garbage right now.
They were all dropped in a medium mountain stage, including Yates.

 

[Cycling111]

Contador clearly prefers Vingegaard. What cycling is my all time favorite seeing...

"Tadej kept pushing — but he just couldn’t shake Vingegaard" - Alberto Contador sees Visma tactics have effect on Pogacar on stage 10 of 2025 Tour de France

Two-time Tour de France champion Alberto Contador has offered his post-stage analysis on Eurosport, casting a sharp eye over Tadej Pogacar’s explosive effort in Stage 10 — and why it ultimately failed...

cyclinguptodate.com

In the spring, Contador said Pogacar was the cyclist he likes the most. But it's clear they have the typical jealousy of a star who can't stand someone else winning more Tours and GT.

De Vlaeminck is always criticizing Van Der Poel or Pogacar when they add another Monument.

 

[yaf2]

Yes. Like you saw, they were all cooked and WVA wasn't great. Unfortunately, Almeida was a key domestique and Sivakov is garbage right now.
They were all dropped in a medium mountain stage, including Yates.

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U could clearly hear wellens asking to close the break and his director which i dont think has a good iq tells him to let the break go. Its unbelievable at times seeing a team like uae having a big budget and still cant hire a good minds in the car

 

[Cycling111]

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U could clearly hear wellens asking to close the break and his director which i dont think has a good iq tells him to let the break go. Its unbelievable at times seeing a team like uae having a big budget and still cant hire a good minds in the car

The other problem is that they have great climbers on the team, but some can't go to the Tour because they don't want to be domestiques. Ayuso is the most obvious example, but they can't count with McNulty either.

Roglic sacrificed himself at Visma, and Simon will surely work harder than all the UAE's star domestiques these years.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

tbh, pog did drop vinge easily with the 60-90s accelerations on hilly stages before. Now he did not.

But its vingegaard that needs to make up time and I don't see that happening.

 

[Rou]

tbh, pog did drop vinge easily with the 60-90s accelerations on hilly stages before. Now he did not.

But its vingegaard that needs to make up time and I don't see that happening.

Give examples, please. Give me a 8-10 min climb where Pog has dropped a healthy Vingegaard.
I'm waiting.

 

[yaf2]

The other problem is that they have great climbers on the team, but some can't go to the Tour because they don't want to be domestiques. Ayuso is the most obvious example, but they can't count with McNulty either.

Roglic sacrificed himself at Visma, and Simon will surely work harder than all the UAE's star domestiques these years.

I dont think pound for pound they are weaker to visma in the mountains. Narvaez and yates weren't dropped by any visma riders pace except jorgenson which u would think if almeida was in the race he would be there when jorgenson was pacing which also means both pog and jonas have 1 teammate left in the final of this stages so i think the teams are equal in terms of level but the pbm is visma has great minds in the car who could make a 3 vs 1 on top of a penultimate climb of a mountain while the other ones know nothing of what they're doing in the car

 

[Cycling111]

tbh, pog did drop vinge easily with the 60-90s accelerations on hilly stages before. Now he did not.

But its vingegaard that needs to make up time and I don't see that happening.

Last year, Pogacar didn't droppe Vingegaard in San Luca, and in the Giro, he didn't even dropped Narvaez and Schachmann!! . In the last two years, he's always let him fall on longer climbs. There haven't been any long climbs in the Tour.

 

[Cycling111]

I dont think pound for pound they are weaker to visma in the mountains. Narvaez and yates weren't dropped by any visma riders pace except jorgenson which u would think if almeida was in the race he would be there when jorgenson was pacing which also means both pog and jonas have 1 teammate left in the final of this stages so i think the teams are equal in terms of level but the pbm is visma has great minds in the car who could make a 3 vs 1 on top of a penultimate climb of a mountain while the other ones know nothing of what they're doing in the car

Sure?

Almeida was the only one superior climber to them in this Tour. Narvaez is going to disappear in the high mountains.

Adam has been doing poorly all year. Kuss has been doing poorly for two years, but yesterday he lost less time than Adam, having worked more.

Simon will be better than his brother, and Jorenson too.

Sivakov won't be better than them, and it remains to be seen whether he'll be better than Kuss if he recovers.

Yesterday, Campenaerts had his best performance of the year. Visma always has the best performances from its riders in the Tour.
UAE has the performance it has during the year, Adam and Sivakov in the mountains are not going to improve much.