Read again, it was the total number of gt wins, not winnersJust looking to the Tour 2024.
Bernal
Vingegaard
Remco
Yates
Carapaz
Thomas
Roglic
7 GT winners (not in the top10)
You mentioned 7 GT winners in the top10 but a couple of them weren't GT winners when they finished top10 in the Giro 1974.
Moser
Battaglin
I just looked to this edition (Giro 1974) and you still came up with incorrect facts. There were only 6 GT winners but only 4 until that moment.
Speed is not the same,I don't know why you are mentioning this.
Speed is the same?
Sorry.Read again, it was the total number of gt wins, not winners
I’ll look at total number of wins instead of winners for the tour, maybe laterSorry.
However, Roglic and Vingegaard won 7 GTs combined and were in the Tour's top10.
So why are overrating you Merckx's era for riding in heavier bikes, worse tyres,etc?Speed is not the same,
tyres are fatter, no cigarettes, no fans punching the favourite, lighter carbon monocoque bicycles, electronic gears, many things.
This without the road surface condition which now accounts for some mph’s difference of speed
This is why speed is a very terrible criteria
Maybe.yes off course.real reason,why eddie is goat is simply, his vo2max is immune to smog.![]()
I’m not overrating just saying why speed is not the sameSo why are overrating you Merckx's era for riding in heavier bikes, worse tyres,etc?
So intensity is very different. No need to undervalue what the current peloton is doing.I’m not overrating just saying why speed is not the same
I don’t, just want to put some context of Merckx era too.So intensity is very different. No need to undervalue what the current peloton is doing.
You have Sean Kelly clearly saying Pogacar is more talented than Merckx.I don’t, just want to put some context of Merckx era too.
Calling Pog the goat devalues Merckx horribly but people like what they like i guess
One man’s opinion doesn’t make it right.You have Sean Kelly clearly saying Pogacar is more talented than Merckx.
Without a doubt. But this is not just Kelly's opinion.One man’s opinion doesn’t make it right.
A man who inexplicably cannot say the word ‘classification’ , may not be the best to decide who is the best ‘ general classiment’ rider.
In all your comments you miss a decisive point. It is different to look on an era while it is ongoing than looking on an era that is gone for a long time.So then why can’t people accept the new generation isn’t better ? If they comparable ?
Look at who Merckx beat in his first tour win:
2nd, Pingeon- tour / vuelta winner (prime)
3rd Poulidor -prime
4th Gimondi - won everything (prime)
In his first giro win
2nd Adorni - giro winner/ world champ- prime
3rd Gimondi - prime
His vuelta win
2nd Ocana - tour/vuelta winner - prime
3rd Thevenet - tour winner - prime
I don’t care that half the peloton might have been Belgian ‘farmers’ that level of competition at the top end couldn’t be better.
Merckx had better competition than Anquetil, Hinault and Indurain, he was still the best.
Pogs era is harder in some ways, but the competition is poor. He’s had one realistic winner to contend with.
Look at his Giro win, a 38 year old Thomas the only noteworthy name in the top ten.
As for your first point , this is why I made the giro d’Italia point on gt wins at the time of the race, rather than including future, because you’re right.In all your comments you miss a decisive point. It is different to look on an era while it is ongoing than looking on an era that is gone for a long time.
All riders from the Merckx era already have their careers finished, so their palmares is complete. So you have a whole look on their career and their palmares. Active riders from the Pogacar still have years to write their own history and to collect wins. Maybe Lipowitz will end his career with 5 Tour de France wins and it will be imagined in the future that Pogacar was still able to beat him in 2025.
Another point is that the Merckx era was different in quantity. So the top riders were inevitably winning more races to get a better palmares. So probably winning 2 grand tours in the actual era is worth more than winning four grand tours during the Merckx era. During the actual era wins are more divided in the peloton and 100 riders are winning while back in the old days there were only 20 guys winning. So if you just look on the palmares of the top guys, it will always look better in the good old days but does that really mean that they were better and were better opponents? In my opinion: No!
The quality was worse during Merckx era. The quality today is the highest so far, with the 🐐 on top.As for your first point , this is why I made the giro d’Italia point on gt wins at the time of the race, rather than including future, because you’re right.
For your second point, well it somewhat links with the first.
I can counter it by saying there are less gt winners in the top tens of the grand tours now, and that the quality is worse.
Who exactly are these 100 riders? There are less riders winning now than there were in Merckx’ era…
I know , you’ve said that now more like 18 times. Good job Merckx is not racing now, you will have a plinth and prayer corner in your house for himThe quality was worse during Merckx era. The quality today is the highest so far, with the 🐐 on top.
I know, you've said that now more like 20 times. And you are still wrong, when you look at your picture of the 🐐. Good job.I know , you’ve said that now more like 18 times. Good job Merckx is not racing now, you will have a plinth and prayer corner in your house for him
My molteni jersey and infallible sense of right and wrong keeps me warm at nightI know, you've said that now more like 20 times. And you are still wrong, when you look at your picture of the 🐐. Good job.
PogenheimerPog, does not even have a nickname.
Il Campionissimo
Monsieur Chrono
The Cannibal
The Badger
Big Mig
The Eagle of Toledo
‘Pog’
Why? He doesn’t have outstanding characteristics to describe his racing style or personality.
Oh yeah, best nicknamePogenheimer