But the base level being so high that he dominates most of the races is something unbelievable as well.
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But the base level being so high that he dominates most of the races is something unbelievable as well.
From what I've read, it really would explain the effortless peaking for weeks / months at a time. If you respond to altitude you'll respond to this treatment, as it's essentially extreme and controlled altitude training ... like weight lifting for your EPO production system.
Maybe but I have doubts. Wild short acting *** is in theory detectable, if not today then certainly in retrospective testing. So its a big risk. That is why oxygen vector doping became so popular - the passport is way more difficult to prove and get past the lawyers. Anyway, Visma would have a pretty good idea what Gianetti is up to hence why they were so confident - until PdB.
Something you have to look something up. In the Slovenian ITT, he wasn't even the best of his team. He was beaten by Penko and Groselj. What a generational talent!
Steff Cras finished sixteenth after a terrible crash in the Basque country. You can ask him the same question.
He is over an hour behind and didnt expect to win
Well I am not quite a FM but (2000ish ELO)I'll jump in as I'm a chess FM
Magnus is not even remotely close as being dominant as Pogacar is right now.
He's clearly the best (even more so in short time controls) but the difference isn't that marked.
He's the favorite in any tournaments he enters, but it's not obvious he would easily win, it's often very close.
I would say this is comparable to how Kasparov dominated (winning by 3-4 points clear every single tournament with extremely rare occurrences), but chess nowadays with engines and modern preparation is way more levelled.
On Pogacar this is obviously absurd, but to be perfectly fair Vingegard coming back from the dead and being 2nd in the TdF is even more miraculous...
. Anyway, sure you can liken it to Kasparov as well. The point is that they are just so much better than the rest and we know in chess there is no magical pill. Therefore, it is possible for one to be so much better than the rivals.The thing about doping, at least for me, is that there is no smoking gun. Sky days was obvious with the TUEs. But nowadays all people can come up with is the ridiculous CO thing. I just cannot fathom that a cycling team has something that is not yet used in medicine.
On the other hand, they are all flying...
Both two years older than Pog and at that time I bet Pog had barely done much TT-wise.
And Penko was going against Affini, just losing out! Cmon. He was good at it.
And 2018 Pog beat them.
Irrelevant. He performed at his level in similar circumstances. Now again, this is not the topic for it. If you continue to try to hijack this topic, you're going on ignore.He is over an hour behind and didnt expect to win
Just having a discussion, its what is for? You asked me a question. Dont gaslight me.
1) Do you have a link and 2) How old was he?
Just tried looking up the Slovenian ITT titles - I found the below in Wiki. Is this wrong because it does not validate your claim?
And as such a young age it is wrong to draw conclusions or extrapolate.
Slovenian National Time Trial Championships - Wikipedia
And what? This does not change that fact that he had tons of results before he joined UAE. This is subjective, but I can stomatch his results way more than donkeys getting good after age 27.
1) You should work on your reading comprehension, and also not quote things selectively to try and make your point. Your fanboi-ism is raging through
2) my point is that both UAE and Visma are at levels that have simply been unseen and are not reasonable.
He finished 40-20 seconds behind the guys mentioned in 2017.1) Do you have a link and 2) How old was he?
Just tried looking up the Slovenian ITT titles - I found the below in Wiki. Is this wrong because it does not validate your claim?
And as such a young age it is wrong to draw conclusions or extrapolate.
Slovenian National Time Trial Championships - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Penko was a good time trialist at this time for his age. Riding against Affini, being close to beating him, among other riders that has gone pro later.
2018 he had improved and beat them. He was one minute behind Tratnik, who won.
He was two years younger than them.
I'm just looking forward to what Del Toro does next season. Poggy domestique? I think Del Toro, who is uniquely talented, under the master guidance of Giannetti will win a grand tour easily by minutes.
its most likely theyre on the same stuff and just pushing amd pushing the quantity.
Also pretty likely individual response is a big factor
But why did they push the quantity only this year? If it was so easy Pogacar would've killed Vingo during the two previous Tours. Maybe a better technology of "consumption" was found or there is completely new fuel X (aka porridge, according to Teddy).
Nah, I think it's just an arms race ... they probably decided to mix in EPO microdosing with the CO therapy which masks it, and got even better results.
One theory, Vingegaard’s sudden rise a couple years ago coincided with some new discovery, maybe beyond what UAE had at the time. Then this year UAE/Pogacar got on it and he’s back in the lead. And they’re both pushing it to new levels progressively.
Vingegaard had a much more Froomelike development than Pogacar so he may have already had access to something greater the last couple years.
Also wondering if Kuss’s bizarre MIA season this year has anything to do with it.
Vingegaard had a much more Froomelike development than Pogacar so he may have already had access to something greater the last couple years.
Also wondering if Kuss’s bizarre MIA season this year has anything to do with it.
Tadej Pogačar in winner's press conference: "There will always be doubts. Because of cycling before my time, in any sport, if someone is winning, there’s always jealousy and haters ... I tell you now, it's not worth it. Taking anything to risk your health is stupid
I love it when people call their boss stupid
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