Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[E_F_]

I'm unaware of any technology that doesn't involve a battery or that doesn't generate a heat and have magnetic resistance of some sort.

None of those criteria would have stopped them from using motors for the last 10 years.

 

[Netserk]

They are saying Pantani did almost the same W/kg but was 4min down because of the road conditions, aerodynamics and tires.

By my back of the envelope calculation, Pogi would have needed aerodynamic drag and rolling resistance to be reduced by ~33 % of what it was for Pantani for that to be true.

 

[houtdffan]

Oh Pog...

Tadej Pogacar tackles doping questions at Tour de France: "I think this is one of the cleanest sports in the whole world"

Tadej Pogacar has reached the top of the cycling wor

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Cycling is the cleanest sport in the world?

 

[Raest]

By my back of the envelope calculation, Pogi would have needed aerodynamic drag and rolling resistance to be reduced by ~33 % of what it was for Pantani for that to be true.

Not just that. He beat Armstrong’s time by close to 6 min. Armstrong’s ftp pre tour was in the 500 watts region from memory his tour weight was around 73 kg so that would give around 6.85 w/kg. And he was doped to the gills. Pogacar had a 40 min effort that was about .1-.15 w/kg higher than Armstrong’s ftp/kg, done at the end of the queen stage of the tour in its second week. It’s bonkers.

On a couple of different topics. I will believe the “40 w savings” claim when i see an independent study. Till then it’s marketing spiel to persuade rich, overweight 50-yr olds to part with the better part of ten grand.

I don’t think it’s motor doping not because it’s not happening (it is) but because, as far as I know, they X-Ray the leaders’ bikes at the end of each stage.

 

[E_F_]

as far as I know, they X-Ray the leaders’ bikes at the end of each stage.

Yeah that's the new thing this Tour, right? Probably a result of Ghost in the Machine.. I wouldn't be surprised to learn about loop holes, though!

 

[Divergence]

Not just that. He beat Armstrong’s time by close to 6 min. Armstrong’s ftp pre tour was in the 500 watts region from memory his tour weight was around 73 kg so that would give around 6.85 w/kg. And he was doped to the gills. Pogacar had a 40 min effort that was about .1-.15 w/kg higher than Armstrong’s ftp/kg, done at the end of the queen stage of the tour in its second week. It’s bonkers.

On a couple of different topics. I will believe the “40 w savings” claim when i see an independent study. Till then it’s marketing spiel to persuade rich, overweight 50-yr olds to part with the better part of ten grand.

I don’t think it’s motor doping not because it’s not happening (it is) but because, as far as I know, they X-Ray the leaders’ bikes at the end of each stage.

Idk what Armstrong's weight was but I remember him saying that he was doing 500W for 30min on Col de la Madonne pre Tour (I guess any Tour he won).

 

[carolina]

Oh Pog...

Tadej Pogacar tackles doping questions at Tour de France: "I think this is one of the cleanest sports in the whole world"

Tadej Pogacar has reached the top of the cycling wor

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Cycling is the cleanest sport in the world?

Honestly, it likely is.

Cycling has anti-doping controls in and out of competition, surprise tests, bio passport, no-needle policy... What other sport has all of this?

It's also a sport the deals with much less money then other top sports, that don't have the same level of scrutiny and control. So if there is more money and less control, why not use PEDs if no one is looking?

I wouldn't say it's the cleanest, I'd just say it's less dirty.

 

[houtdffan]

Honestly, it likely is.

Cycling has anti-doping controls in and out of competition, surprise tests, bio passport, no-needle policy... What other sport has all of this?

It's also a sport the deals with much less money then other top sports, that don't have the same level of scrutiny and control. So if there is more money and less control, why not use PEDs if no one is looking?

I wouldn't say it's the cleanest, I'd just say it's less dirty.

So very naive


They had controls during the Armstrong years. The UCI simply did not act on positives and allowed things like backdated TUEs

 

[Raest]

Honestly, it likely is.

Cycling has anti-doping controls in and out of competition, surprise tests, bio passport, no-needle policy... What other sport has all of this?

Every sport under Wada

 

[Tricycle Rider]

I mean you have a break just not for long, he will be back fistbumping the losers at the finish line at the Olympics soon enough.

If Pog wins in the Olympics too I swear I will go over Red Rick's house and break his TV because I don't want to break my own.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

If Pog wins in the Olympics too I swear I will go over Red Rick's house and break his TV because I don't want to break my own.

Surely it would still be less expensive for you to break your own and replace it.

 

[Raest]

Idk what Armstrong's weight was but I remember him saying that he was doing 500W for 30min on Col de la Madonne pre Tour (I guess any Tour he won).

I seem to remember that Ed Coyle measured it at that value too, at UT, but the Tour value is more impressive as he would have been lighter and more tired.

Speaking about Lance, I’d like to know how he feels about Pogacar. I think him, Hincapie and Bryuneel are either laughing their a…s off or are seething with rage

 

[E_F_]

Speaking about Lance, I’d like to know how he feels about Pogacar. I think him, Hincapie and Bryuneel are either laughing their a…s off or are seething

Well, they have a youtube channel..!

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Surely it would still be less expensive for you to break your own and replace it.

True. I'll just have RR send me the TV he is about to break and only then can I break my own. (He probably gets a very heavy discount on TV sets seeing as he breaks them so often.)

 

[topcat]

Honestly, it likely is.

Cycling has anti-doping controls in and out of competition, surprise tests, bio passport, no-needle policy... What other sport has all of this?

It's also a sport the deals with much less money then other top sports, that don't have the same level of scrutiny and control. So if there is more money and less control, why not use PEDs if no one is looking?

I wouldn't say it's the cleanest, I'd just say it's less dirty.

Cycling might be cleaner than weightlifting. And that's about it.

 

[snipeheem]

Cycling might be cleaner than weightlifting. And that's about it.

And swimming,Athletics

 

[noob]

True. I'll just have RR send me the TV he is about to break then. (He probably has a very heavy discount on TV sets seeing as he breaks them so often.)

breaking a TV does sound more fun than watching Pog take the Olympics. But if you do it make sure to post pics so we can enjoy it here together
Smashing things is so fun!

 

[topcat]

True. I'll just have RR send me the TV he is about to break then. (He probably has a very heavy discount on TV sets seeing as he breaks them so often.)

Put the orr on RR's tv. I want video of you breaking the tv as Pog does the Sieg Heil as he wins.

 

[Raest]

Well, they have a youtube channel..!

I know… duuuh

 

[Penninepeddler]

Honestly, it likely is.

Cycling has anti-doping controls in and out of competition, surprise tests, bio passport, no-needle policy... What other sport has all of this?

It's also a sport the deals with much less money then other top sports, that don't have the same level of scrutiny and control. So if there is more money and less control, why not use PEDs if no one is looking?

I wouldn't say it's the cleanest, I'd just say it's less dirty.

Tbf basically all Olympic sport have in and out of competition testing and surprise tests... and a lot have bio passport now. And the Olympics have been needle free since 2016 and in turn quite a few other federations for Olympic sports have similar policies... though it does vary by nation outside of the Olympics and prep for Olympics.

Heck, back in 2007-2008 I was a junior player on an Olympic programme and I had to give my whereabouts for a 2 hour window once a week for anti-doping, and surprise testing could happen at basically any training session or game.

 

[noob]

I know… duuuh

Ah you mean you want to know how they feel behind the scenes and not on camera? Get a pet into the studio, or a weird autistic that can't read between the lines. Both are likely to pick up what the guys actually feel, not what they try to project

 

[Extinction]

I seem to remember that Ed Coyle measured it at that value too, at UT, but the Tour value is more impressive as he would have been lighter and more tired.

Speaking about Lance, I’d like to know how he feels about Pogacar. I think him, Hincapie and Bryuneel are either laughing their a…s off or are seething with rage

He claims to like him, but secretly despises him. Anyone who can make Lance look like he pailed in comparison can not receive sincere admiration from the Texan.

 

[snipeheem]

He claims to like him, but secretly despises him. Anyone who can make Lance look like he pailed in comparison can not receive sincere admiration from the Texan.

u can tell he dont like him at all .

 

[noob]

He claims to like him, but secretly despises him. Anyone who can make Lance look like he pailed in comparison can not receive sincere admiration from the Texan.

So he's like Pog; likes the boys as long as he tops them.

 

[noob]

No one can tell me Pog doesn't take pleasure in humilating Jonas. I don't see the same pleasure from Jonas when he has won against Pog.

Pog shows not so well hidden traits of sadism on the road.