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Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

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I remember I asked a couple of days ago if riders were good at lying. Now I am watching a certain pod with a certain soon to be DS. The nervousness he presents as his compatriot are going through the watts after this tour is obvious. He used to be outspoken and used to say that they all dope...

Even if he's not like involved in whatever goes on, I do believe watching him going from being outspoken to go inside the omerta himself will be interesting to watch from the ringside. I believe watching him as he changes will be telling in itself.

Maybe you gotta be a noob to enjoy such pointless things but if you want to watch it's from 41 minutes in a certain channel.

(I didn't want this comment to be easily found from the search menu if they searched themselves lol. I'm not paranoid, I just have the brains of a journalist :grin:)
 
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Regarding Armstrong, whatever you think of him, he’s best placed to spot the signs of when someone is doping. Not only doping, but how to hide it and how to subvert the system. He was running the ultimate programme, every base covered. So when he looks at Pogacar and at his team setup, the people in charge (whom he knows directly) and their motives, he sees what they’re up to, understands it in ways we can’t even imagine. That personal experience and knowledge of having been there and done that. There’s a part of him that admires it, but also a much bigger part of him that’s saying, ‘If I couldn’t get away with it, then why should they? If I couldn’t keep my seven yellow jerseys, then why should he be able to?’ Watch out for Lance. He’s on manoeuvres, looking for any way to get back into the limelight, and UAE will be nervous where he goes with this, and what he might say.
 
Lance was brought down by his teammates.

His American teammates, to be precise. Hamilton & Landis had no respect for him because they knew how he was winning & wanted the same for themselves. His European teammates meanwhile had come through the system & knew the ground rules. Heras, Beltran, Ekimov etc. would never have behaved the way Landis did. No way. Armstrong was officially done the moment Landis was popped for doping a few days after the 2007 TdF.

The point here is every person in the 'circle of truth' becomes a variable. Like Ayuso for example. Keep an eye on that one because any 'ripples' in the perfectly well oiled machine can have long-term consequences. It's why these teams usually try to spread the love & give teammates some personal glory or a load of cash for their hard work... & silence.
 
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in a few days everything will be in the archive, Olympics, WC, but if something doesn't happen this time it won't happen anymore.

The real Pogacar is the one who pretends not to know what "carbon monoxide" is and then admits to using it the next day.

He's a serial liar with the face of a priest. Armstrong was swimming in lies but this guy is no different and above all he is fresh and not afraid to lie.


With pancakes, with you don't push 7 w/kg for 40 minutes.

BARDET

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...s-final-tour-de-france-comes-to-emotional-end

Pogacar doesn't struggle, have you seen Bardet's face?

4 years have passed since 2020.

Fleche 1994 - Festina 1998. Epo.

or 2020 was just Val Louron 1991 and we're only in 1995?

Was the EPO already known in 1995? (I'm referring to the fans side)


And EPO CERA? Was it only in 2008?
How did they know they were using CERA?

Don't be fooled by those who say "he defeated a corpse". Hell, Vingegaard made the second half-time performance on Beille.
Evenepoel is at Pantani's level.

Pogacar spent three weeks in Italy wasting energy and he's not breathing PUSHING 7W/KG

Is he clean? 0%.
 
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in a few days everything will be in the archive, Olympics, WC, but if something doesn't happen this time it won't happen anymore.

The real Pogacar is the one who pretends not to know what "carbon monoxide" is and then admits to using it the next day.

He's a serial liar with the face of a priest. Armstrong was swimming in lies but this guy is no different and above all he is fresh and not afraid to lie.


With pancakes, with you don't push 7 w/kg for 40 minutes.

BARDET

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...s-final-tour-de-france-comes-to-emotional-end

Pogacar doesn't struggle, have you seen Bardet's face?

4 years have passed since 2020.

Fleche 1994 - Festina 1998. Epo.

or 2020 was just Val Louron 1991 and we're only in 1995?

Was the EPO already known in 1995? (I'm referring to the fans side)


And EPO CERA? Was it only in 2008?
How did they know they were using CERA?

Don't be fooled by those who say "he defeated a corpse". Hell, Vingegaard made the second half-time performance on Beille.
Evenepoel is at Pantani's level.

Pogacar spent three weeks in Italy wasting energy and he's not breathing PUSHING 7W/KG

Is he clean? 0%.
Bardet is as close to a clean rider you are going to get. He performs how a really talented comparatively clean rider should perform like. He has a red zone, a need to back off after a big effort, the pain etched on his face revealing he goes through agonies, how his performances fluctuates between good days and bad days. Even if he’s been cheated out his glory, at least he can look at himself in the mirror every morning and will be able to do so as he lives out the rest of his life.
 
Lance was brought down by his teammates.

His American teammates, to be precise. Hamilton & Landis had no respect for him because they knew how he was winning & wanted the same for themselves. His European teammates meanwhile had come through the system & knew the ground rules. Heras, Beltran, Ekimov etc. would never have behaved the way Landis did. No way. Armstrong was officially done the moment Landis was popped for doping a few days after the 2007 TdF.

The point here is every person in the 'circle of truth' becomes a variable. Like Ayuso for example. Keep an eye on that one because any 'ripples' in the perfectly well oiled machine can have long-term consequences. It's why these teams usually try to spread the love & give teammates some personal glory or a load of cash for their hard work... & silence.
This! Tis why Visma have to keep Wout happy too! And imagine if Roglic actually is the villain they tried to portray him as in the Amazon documentary... wow they'd have it coming for them.
 
This! Tis why Visma have to keep Wout happy too! And imagine if Roglic actually is the villain they tried to portray him as in the Amazon documentary... wow they'd have it coming for them.

Imagine Rogla saying at some point: One day I visited Jonas in his room and there was a lot of blood everywhere. I called him a vampire since then, eh.
 
Is the testing regime there much better than at the Tour? I haven't paid to much attention to testing in the last years, as almost no one get's caught anymore anyways. Which ofc isn't a sign for no doping, probably rather less efficient testing.
People get caught doping all the time in track and field and swimming and it just gets brushed on by it seems. No big deal, they miss a meet or two. That's why Pogacar probably feels targeted when getting questions about it as a cyclist.
 
People get caught doping all the time in track and field and swimming and it just gets brushed on by it seems. No big deal, they miss a meet or two. That's why Pogacar probably feels targeted when getting questions about it as a cyclist.

Sorry for being imprecise, I meant in cycling.
It just struck me that in track and field, it seems to me (but it might be a missperception) that it's usually countries like Russia and China that are easily to be vilified. Did any of the great american swimmers of the past 20 years get busted? If so it passed by me...
 
Sorry for being imprecise, I meant in cycling.
It just struck me that in track and field, it seems to me (but it might be a missperception) that it's usually countries like Russia and China that are easily to be vilified. Did any of the great american swimmers of the past 20 years get busted? If so it passed by me...
The Olympics are a competition by the doctors of the various nations to show off their research projects. Obviously no Americans are going to be caught during the Olympics, there's too much prestige and money involved.