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Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

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Was Pogačar sandbagging in the Giro, or had the proper rocket fuel not arrived yet?

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Of course his numbers would improve from when he was only 21, cyclists peak in their late 20s! He didn't improve for almost four years after that because his trainers sucked and his bike was too heavy! Peaking for the Tour was always the plan this year, he used the Giro to get in shape! I easily achieved a 7% increase in two months when I started exercising. It's completely normal! His porridge has freeze-dried pineapple in it now! Performance levels naturally trend upwards all the time, you'd expect riders to go faster! We're in the most advanced era of sports science ever! It's just an increase of 30W, which is nothing. Roglic's Bora X Bo steam oven can put out over 200 times more!
 
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Was Pogačar sandbagging in the Giro, or had the proper rocket fuel not arrived yet?
Even if you dope, you still have to adhere to common training principles. And as we saw, and everyone knew, he won the Giro without any problem. So why focus on the unimportant goal for potentially hampering the big one? Ofc, he would race the Giro undercooked. Because its simply enough. And because its resonable considering the Tour.
 
And why can't you pick teams that stand out? Isn't that one of the reasons people pick on the vlab laboratory experiments?
I think you answered your own question? vlab stands out with flashing red lights. Why should other teams be suggested to validate the point? Remco rode his best grand tour by far and was best of the rest but still 3 minutes down on Vingegaard at the end.

Until PdB on stage 15, Visma seemed super confident bordering on arrogant that they had Pogacar’s measure again this year. And many times before the Tour they said Vingegaard wouldn't race if they didn't think he could win.

Vinge's w/kg this Tour were better than 2022 and 2023 when he won - despite the crash, despite all the injuries and despite the interrupted training. Vingegaard was every bit as absurd as Pogacar.

Seems obviously an arms race to me.
 
I think you answered your own question? vlab stands out with flashing red lights. Why should other teams be suggested to validate the point? Remco rode his best grand tour by far and was best of the rest but still 3 minutes down on Vingegaard at the end.

Until PdB on stage 15, Visma seemed super confident bordering on arrogant that they had Pogacar’s measure again this year. And many times before the Tour they said Vingegaard wouldn't race if they didn't think he could win.

Vinge's w/kg this Tour were better than 2022 and 2023 when he won - despite the crash, despite all the injuries and despite the interrupted training. Vingegaard was every bit as absurd as Pogacar.

Seems obviously an arms race to me.
Pog doing these type of numbers since Strade Bianche on a team managed by Gianetti-Matxin is obscene and insulting to intelligence. If this continues I seriously will stop watching cycling.
 
Pog doing these type of numbers since Strade Bianche on a team managed by Gianetti-Matxin is obscene and insulting to intelligence. If this continues I seriously will stop watching cycling.
I will do the same for the races Teddy participates, for the same reasons and if this continues. Olympics cycling im going to watch, cause Mr. Clean is not participating. I mean im sure there are some other dopers too, but nothing compared to monsters insanity.
 
I will do the same for the races Teddy participates, for the same reasons and if this continues. Olympics cycling im going to watch, cause Mr. Clean is not participating. I mean im sure there are some other dopers too, but nothing compared to monsters insanity.
It's a message in support of dignity. Doubtless Pogacar is talented, but he's become so dominant with Gianetti-Matxin running the show that it doesn't even bear thinking about. And UAE petrol dollars backing the project, a nation which sentences foreigners to life for protesting against their own government, doesn't bear thinking about either. If this is contemporary cycling then I'm out.
 
It's a message in support of dignity. Doubtless Pogacar is talented, but he's become so dominant with Gianetti-Matxin running the show that it doesn't even bear thinking about. And UAE petrol dollars backing the project, a nation which sentences foreigners to life for protesting against their own government, doesn't bear thinking about either. If this is contemporary cycling then I'm out.
You could say that your engagement with pro cycling is nearing its... Extinction.
 
It's a message in support of dignity. Doubtless Pogacar is talented, but he's become so dominant with Gianetti-Matxin running the show that it doesn't even bear thinking about. And UAE petrol dollars backing the project, a nation which sentences foreigners to life for protesting against their own government, doesn't bear thinking about either. If this is contemporary cycling then I'm out.

Yeah, this is where I am at too. I love to watch cycling, and I get that everyone is doping to some degree. But what's going on with Pogacar is arguably way worse than the Armstrong era. I'm not going to waste 3-4 hours a day for 2-3 weeks, watching a farcical "competition" where Pog rockets away from the peloton to win 80% of the stages.

I normally watch 2+ hours of every stage of the Tour de France on replay every night, and this year, I watched maybe 5-6 hours total. I checked ahead if Pogocar won, and if he did, I didn't watch it. So that left the sprint stages, and I fast forwarded through most of those. Same with the Giro. I will watch the Vuelta, since he isn't in it.

To make matters worse, the TV coverage always gushes over how "incredible" he is, and of course, they would never even hint that something suspicious is going on. If the TV coverage was more honest, I may be able to take it better.
 
Yeah, this is where I am at too. I love to watch cycling, and I get that everyone is doping to some degree. But what's going on with Pogacar is arguably way worse than the Armstrong era. I'm not going to waste 3-4 hours a day for 2-3 weeks, watching a farcical "competition" where Pog rockets away from the peloton to win 80% of the stages.

I normally watch 2+ hours of every stage of the Tour de France on replay every night, and this year, I watched maybe 5-6 hours total. I checked ahead if Pogocar won, and if he did, I didn't watch it. So that left the sprint stages, and I fast forwarded through most of those. Same with the Giro. I will watch the Vuelta, since he isn't in it.

To make matters worse, the TV coverage always gushes over how "incredible" he is, and of course, they would never even hint that something suspicious is going on. If the TV coverage was more honest, I may be able to take it better.
The thing is in the arms race Gianetti-Matxin know they are working with a super-responder who got destroyed by another super-responder at the previous two Tours and decided to take revenge by manipulating him further, and to such a degree, that he literally humiliates the whole peloton from March to (let's wait and see) October. This is no longer cycling but a ridiculous circus sideshow farce done with such arrogance and cynicism that it really doesn't even bear thinking about. That it's performed with Gianetti-Matxin behind the scenes is frankly revolting. I'm with you on this one. I've been involved in and an avid fan of the sport since the early eighties and it's rare that I didn't care about the last week of the Tour, lost total interest and stopped watching. And never with such apathy, boredom and indignation. Only when the Tour was in the grips of a certain Texan has there been anything similar to it. But Pogacar is even more off-putting with his contrived and wholly manipulative good-boy act. At least with Lance you knew straight up the guy was an a-hole. Evidently Gianetti-Matxin learned how not to behave from their previous wonderboy il Cobra Riccardo Ricco. But if someone like myself, who thoroughly enjoys watching cycling, gives up on the Tour in the third week out of sheer annuì and outrage, how is this good for the tele shares and hence the sport's commercial revenues?
 
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The thing is in the arms race Gianetti-Matxin know they are working with a super-responder who got destroyed by another super-responder at the previous two Tours and decided to take revenge by manipulating him further,

I think that's the key. Expect Vingegaard and Visma-LAB, with perfect preparation this time, to up the ante even further next year. Obviously Pogacar and UAE don't want to be behind. You had better get ready: next year's edition may be the most thermonuclear ever.

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I think that's the key. Expect Vingegaard and Visma-LAB, with perfect preparation this time, to up the ante even further next year. Obviously Pogacar and UAE don't want to be behind. You had better get ready: next year's edition may be the most thermonuclear ever.

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Oh, I don't doubt it. But Vingegaard was putting out his best numbers after a hideous crash and still getting his head kicked in buy a guy last year who blew up trying to beat him and who's litterally been on a rampage, the most sensational I have ever seen, since Strade Bianche. The increase in performance? Well, just un-believable. Those Arab petrol dollars must give you wings indeed. Doubtless Visma, or whatever iteration of the team, surely has it's work cut out to put the balance back in it's favor.
 
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I think that's the key. Expect Vingegaard and Visma-LAB, with perfect preparation this time, to up the ante even further next year. Obviously Pogacar and UAE don't want to be behind. You had better get ready: next year's edition may be the most thermonuclear ever.

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Its actually no problem getting into top shape in 3 months. Problem is super rest in between to lay the base and thats for week 3 and thats it.

Lets look at the facts: Vingegaard will have the same coach he has had in Tim Heemskerk AND the same program he has had so its only a .... hope I would say but who knows but far from certain and most likely not that he can gain that much cause the leap is huge lets not kid ourself and not likely at all - its even more logical Pogacar would just increase it with only 1 year in with new coach, AND program and he is younger still only 25.

He is also tapped out in kg to lose semi. Just the bottom line. It is what it is I would look out for Evenpoel more if I was Vingegaard. But ofc course can always dream nothing wrong with that but far from likely.