This is the calculations of Frederic Portoleau.
It's just a choice, i guess. Ammattipyoraily does for 65 kg.
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It's just a choice, i guess. Ammattipyoraily does for 65 kg.
What has this to do with Pogacar doing 7 w /kg for 40 min. Can you or Dumolin explain how this is possible?Below is a reminder of the claim for those here who might doubt, by Tom Dumoulin. On his recent comments this Tour, Tom is obviously still cut up that Roglic lost the 2020 TdF after all the great work Dumo did that edition.
Best ever in cycling, a 58Kg climber compared to 78Kg TT monster Indurain, LOL. And this wasn't just achieved through better descending but pure power as admitted by Vingegaard himself:
'Best time trial ever' – Dumoulin hails Vingegaard after stunning win
Tom Dumoulin hailed Jonas Vingegaard's time trial as the "best ever in cycling" after the Dane obliterated the field on Stage 16 at the 2023 Tour de France.www.eurosport.com
So of course Pogacar is doping, how could he not be. But that's because we are in a two team arms race.
In 2020 Jumbo Visma became the new Sky - but their lead rider was Primoz Roglic who was cheated out of the 2020 TdF title by UAE (according to them). Visma were fortunate that they uncovered a super responder in Vingegaard who could beat Pogacar. Ventoux 2021 gave a strong clue and then 2022 and 2023 confirmed this. For 2024 Gianetti planned to get the title back. He went for broke - the Giro Tour double. Many said it was an admission of defeat by Pogacar. But nobody predicted Vingegaard's April crash which was equally responsible for Pog's dominance this July as doping.
It takes two to tango.
An arms race as I mentioned. If Dumoulin’s team didn’t play its part I very much doubt that we’d be seeing 7 w / Kg for 40 minutes.
View: https://x.com/looflol/status/1813754893741756904
I think this will be the new calculations in the future!
What does this mean? Are carbonoxide equal to molar oxygen? How does this relate to Vo2max? Are this official test results?
A continued arms race between several teams will eventually lead to detection and someone will go down just as happened with Armstrong and Pantani. It took Il Pirata’s life and expelled Armstrong for a long time. It also took a lot of bad will to cycling and loss of sponsors. I fear we’re in for some harsh times.
Like happened with EPO? The deaths maybe just helped understand dosing. Would a team risk killing a golden goose? I presume they'd be careful. Maybe that's why it's taken a few seasons to get to the current madness, slowly upping the regimens.
That would be nothing but razor-sharp satire of cycling's "grey area" substance abuse disguised as your average analysis of a climbing performance on Twitter. 0% scientific, 0% accurate, 100% hilarious.
you have no idea what you're wishing. IMAGINE the speed Pogacar would have climbed if Vingo held on to his wheel for 4-5 more kms on Beille or Isola and Pog actually had to go over his limits and fall to the ground gasping for air after the finish line
So I spent 15 minutes digging up the heart medication stuff from the podcast, and I found a class of drugs known as PDE inhibitors ... it's a wild field with dozens of different drugs, but there's definitely a few out there that would have effects on heart contractility and so forth. All of them have the side effects of causing heart failure sometimes.
Makes me think of Nathan van Hooydonck last year.
Other cyclists with heart problems the last few years (including deaths):
Michael Rogers, Johan Vansummeren, Gianni Meersman, Daan Myngheer, Gijs Verdick, Will Walker
Makes me think of Nathan van Hooydonck last year.
Other cyclists with heart problems the last few years (including deaths):
Michael Rogers, Johan Vansummeren, Gianni Meersman, Daan Myngheer, Gijs Verdick, Will Walker
Then maybe we just have to agree that Junior results are a limited indicator of “natural” talent. Although I disagree that it was a weak year, quite good names in there (Arensmann, Mäder, Gall, Vlasov, Hirschi, …)
Just look at the best riders right now.
Vingegaard - was *** as Junior
Roglic - was a ski jumper as Junior
Remco - we have discussed this, obviously a great Junior
But if you think, Pogacar didn’t stand out at all, I would still be interested who you think did? Remco. Hirschi in the classics. Bernal maybe in the GCs (although success rather inly came at 20).
And also - I think not even for Merckx himself, anyone would have predicted a Merckx-like career in 1964 or 1965
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once again we MUST BE AWARE that what we see and think and have an opinion as fans from the outside is way different than what is seen, lived, thought and experienced inside the peloton by riders and people working inside the sport. there's no stench. there might be a bad legacy but it's how it works. they do not see the sport with our fans eyes. it's their job and it must be done whatever it takes.
Ok
Ok I honestly did not got the satire for me it sounded a lot like the same thing as a lot of mumbo jumbo that is discussed seriously like who was placed where in some obscure junior race at the age of 16.
Damn, Van der Poel won the Worlds and some of the best Junior stage races like Rüebliland while riding next to the road the entire time? Incredible performances.
After every stage, the stage winner and yellow jersey are tested. But don’t get your hopes too high that this proofs anything.
MvdP is a great example of a rider who dominated as a junior, and he did it even though he was so focused on CX that he had to opt for crap teams on the road that were willing to accommodate his CX racing schedule until he got too good for the top teams to pass up on. I'd rank him clearly above Pogacar as a junior, especially considering his dual focus at the time, although obviously a completely different type of rider. His Amstel miracle win in 2019 riding for effing Corendon, by the way, is Plateau de Beille levels of legendary.
Speaking of CX talents, Pidcock was magical as a junior too.
Speaking of CX talents, Pidcock was magical as a junior too.
Then maybe we just have to agree that Junior results are a limited indicator of “natural” talent. Although I disagree that it was a weak year, quite good names in there (Arensmann, Mäder, Gall, Vlasov, Hirschi, …)
Just look at the best riders right now.
Vingegaard - was *** as Junior
Roglic - was a ski jumper as Junior
Remco - we have discussed this, obviously a great Junior
But if you think, Pogacar didn’t stand out at all, I would still be interested who you think did? Remco. Hirschi in the classics. Bernal maybe in the GCs (although success rather inly came at 20).
And also - I think not even for Merckx himself, anyone would have predicted a Merckx-like career in 1964 or 1965
Yes but Pogacar is not only better than the cyclists you mention, except Vinegaard, he demolishes them so bad they look like amateurs.
If he was indeed as talented as his performance he would make the other juniors look like they stand still.
It's not like we are arguing over someone winning a couple of stages or a GT here, he is arguably the best cyclist of all time in almost all terrain beating another very suspect wonder like it was nothing and he is barely tired afterwards.
Now of course people develop differently but you know they can also start to dope earlier, being a talent as a junior could be the same as being a dope from an early age. Iv'e had dubious acquaintances who got on the roids around 16 at the gym with no intentions of making a career out of it.
Anyway fact remains, Pogacar is one of the most dominant cyclists of all time(on that we can all agree?). The question is why and how. The weirdest thing for me is that I am very certain he wasn't even close to his limit at the Tour(and of course not the Giro). We are talking humongous degrees of separation from the next best rider, granted Vingegaard was clearly affected by his crash, and Vingegaard himself is highly suspect to say the least.
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What the hell is happening in the other part of the forum where now Lance Armstrong is a legend? Is the other part of the forum now a parallel universe?
I was wrong about it being not being a pretty talented year, but not every year has a generational talent (per definition). Remco was doing the kind of stuff you'd expect of a generational talent - if you assume that talent shows during the juniors, which I'm not sure about, to be fair.
Probably someone who started doing this when Tour winners used to weigh something around 70kg +/- 2.
According to David Chalmers, when you get high enough, everything, even if it is is totally artificial, is a real reality, that we don't get lost in, but that can substitute for real reality. Add on top of that the decision to interpret modal logic ontically, you can be assured, it somehow is a parallel universe.
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Comparing Sky and their hilarity to the incredible degree of blatant cheating that Gianetti has been directly guilty of, or influencing through team leadership, does not make a lot of sense.
Regardless of how you feel about Sky/Ineos, Gianetti and Matxin's legendary tales of corruption are much worse. They should not be involved in bike racing.
And why can't you pick teams that stand out? Isn't that one of the reasons people pick on the vlab laboratory experiments? Or people wonder about how S/QS used to be such a unbeatable classics team?
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