Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Red Rick]

How about Tik tok Ricardo Ricco?

I like Riccardo. I would never do him like that.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I wouldn't be able to tell how talented cause this kind of gap can only happen because of outdoping everyone harder than ever happened or because of motors.

This what you get when he is doing and he is physiological better than everybody else. We already have a lot of dopers, probably in a better doping program compared to his rivals (Indurain, LA, Froome, Contador) but the gap was way more leaner for their rivals. This gigantic gap is not explained only by doping, it can't be.
Pogacar was always a huge talent and he became an even better responder

 

[Froome]

This what you get when he is doing and he is physiological better than everybody else. We already have a lot of dopers, probably in a better doping program compared to his rivals (Indurain, LA, Froome, Contador) but the gap was way more leaner for their rivals. This gigantic gap is not explained only by doping, it can't be.
Pogacar was always a huge talent and he became an even better responder

You don't have data to prove he is physiological better than the other top guys.

 

[Peyroteo94]

You are joking, right? Del Toro won a World Tour stage at age 19 on his second-ever race day as a neo-pro. Hirschi has eight this season. Ayuso has placed in the top-five in two of his three Grand Tour-starts.

Pogacar was a TdF winner before turning 22 years old and had a podium in the Vuelta too. Are you really trying to compare Pogacar’s palmares and specially performances to all 3 I mentioned? Do you need to wait 3/4 years to understand I am right or do you really think Ayuso or Del Toro will win the Tour in the next 2 seasons?

 

[AmRacer]

You don't have data to prove he is physiological better than the other top guys.

3112211
That's the number of the GOAT.

 

[Peyroteo94]

You don't have data to prove he is physiological better than the other top guys.

You don't have any proof he is doping.

 

[solo80k]

Why all other UAE riders can't have his palmares? Hirschi, Del Toro, Ayuso, etc

No need to share these sweet secrets with everyone in the team. His most trusted lieutenants like Novak, Yates or Majka can have a partial knowledge about his preparations but I doubt they wish to spill the beans anytime soon.

 

[Froome]

3112211
That's the number of the GOAT.

Thanks. I am going to take that number and do a call to Merckx.

 

[Froome]

You don't have any proof he is doping.

I believe in you, since you said a couple minutes ago, he is in a doping programm.

 

[peterfin]

We either are watching that once in a hundred years talent that is now so perfectly tuned and supported by so much money that the Merckx era will be nothing in comparison or we watch a fake freak show that make Lance look good in comparison. The second is a 1000x more likely but in either case pro cycling is doomed. The fact that it is yearly confronted with deadly accidents, even in official WC races makes it even worse.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I believe in you, since you said a couple minutes ago, he is in a doping programm.

Thanks, so you believe also he is more talented than other riders, right?

 

[GuntherL1]

Everyone is. He is more talented and has better resources to dope

He's not more talented. Check his pre-UAE results.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

I wouldn't buy ice cream from this guy.

Oh come on, I'm sure his gelateria is just fine and the ice cream is probably yummi - is the shop still even open? I'd visit just for shits and giggles, it would be like visiting a legend of sorts.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Why all other UAE riders can't have his palmares? Hirschi, Del Toro, Ayuso, etc

@GuntherL1

 

[Krzysztof_O]

As for the topic: Teddy is by far the strongest he's ever been in this part of the season (having ridden two GTs), no fatigue after the season or his WC ride. It seems porridge for breakfast works really well and since the Tour he's not reduced its quantity. Lombardy won't be nice for his rivals.

 

[Tim Cahill]

At least Ricco was funny, we haven't have a good funny-doper in a while, Horner the last? Froome was in like 2011/12 for a bit, I vividly recall everyone egging him on to attack Wiggo.

 

[Red Rick]

I think I already pointed out your hypocrisy after the Tour but will do it again. When you hero was the reigning Tour champion you were indifferent regarding doping saying everybody does it but you suddenly changed into an anti-doping advocate since he lost. I'm curious what happens if Vingo wins the next years Tour: probably guys are back to level playing field and it's all fair again, right?

In 2023 I think it wasn't that implausible to assume there was a modicum of parity between Vingegaard and Pogacar. In 2024 there it actually is implausible to consider that there is a modicum of parity between Pogacar and anyone else in terms of doping.

 

[Froome]

Thanks, so you believe also he is more talented than other riders, right?

Yes, he is more talented than the other UAE riders.

 

[AmRacer]

In 2023 I think it wasn't that implausible to assume there was a modicum of parity between Vingegaard and Pogacar. In 2024 there it actually is implausible to consider that there is a modicum of parity between Pogacar and anyone else in terms of doping.

Jonas comeback from his crash was out of this world.

 

[AttaqueDeRolland]

Pogacar was a TdF winner before turning 22 years old and had a podium in the Vuelta too. Are you really trying to compare Pogacar’s palmares and specially performances to all 3 I mentioned? Do you need to wait 3/4 years to understand I am right or do you really think Ayuso or Del Toro will win the Tour in the next 2 seasons?

Firstly, this doesn't change the point of the comment to which you replied. It is true that Pogi only really started winning meaningful races after signing with UAE as a junior.

Secondly, how do you measure talent? Ayuso was one of the best juniors in the world and showed every bit as much promise as Pogi if not even more. The same goes for Del Toro.

 

[Red Rick]

Firstly, this doesn't change the point of the comment to which you replied. It is true that Pogi only really started winning meaningful races after signing with UAE as a junior.

Secondly, how do you measure talent? Ayuso was one of the best juniors in the world and showed every bit as much promise as Pogi if not even more. The same goes for Del Toro.

Talent means something between "whenever I cannot explain performance." and "whatever I want it to be"

 

[Krzysztof_O]

If 2024 should tell the CN forum something, it's that I'm always right. It would then be wise to apply that to what I've been saying about the Combloux ITT for 15 months now. Pogacar dropped a turd in that one.

Sure Pogacar dropped a turd but OTOH Vingo was in 100% form during all stages of the Tour this year, right? JV did a miracle there and I'm far from certain they were at a "technological" disadvantage there.

 

[Netserk]

In 2023 I think it wasn't that implausible to assume there was a modicum of parity between Vingegaard and Pogacar. In 2024 there it actually is implausible to consider that there is a modicum of parity between Pogacar and anyone else in terms of doping.

And while 2023 was fast, it wasn't obscenely faster than 2022.

This year, particularly since PdB, has in fact been obscene. Comical. Farcical.

 

[Red Rick]

Sure Pogacar dropped a turd but OTOH Vingo was in 100% form during all stages of the Tour this year, right? JV did a miracle there and I'm far from certain they were at a "technological" disadvantage there.

Vingegaard had clearly weaker days in there. Isola 2000. Superdevoluy. He really tended to burn really hard for 10 minutes and then fade after an initial effort a few times, TT included.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Firstly, this doesn't change the point of the comment to which you replied. It is true that Pogi only really started winning meaningful races after signing with UAE as a junior.

Secondly, how do you measure talent? Ayuso was one of the best juniors in the world and showed every bit as much promise as Pogi if not even more. The same goes for Del Toro.

He was 19 when he joined UAE. Were you expecting him to win what race when he was 18 years old?
Why hirschi didn't become better than Pogacar if he was better than him as a junior?