Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Tim Cahill]

Mark Hughes' Stoke 2015, of which Bojan was apart of, was the zenith of football, peak brexitball none of this woke sh*t passing it around the back we see nowadays. Before bald frauds and trendy Dutch managers managed to ruin footy for everyone.

 

[AttaqueDeRolland]

This is truly magical. A few pages ago in this thread, we were being told that Pogi was actually always the biggest talent and was already amazing as a junior. Now, we're suddenly being told that what you do as a junior does, in fact, not even matter. Real-time shifting of the goalposts, absolutely amazing to witness.

 

[E_F_]

The Pogster has now gone all in on being too big to fail. He knows that if they bring him down the whole of cycling goes with him... But not all the way. Soon the others will fancy their chances of being main characters in an indiefilm, and won't go on being extras in a blockbuster.

 

[snipeheem]

The Pogster has now gone all in on being too big to fail. He knows that if they bring him down the whole of cycling goes with him... But not all the way. Soon the others will fancy their chances of being main characters in an indiefilm, and won't go on being extras in a blockbuster.

He will never be caught , if they do then cycling is dead

 

[E_F_]

He will never be caught , if they do then cycling is dead

That's what I'm saying. What if there's a pro cycling Posadist in the peloton..?

 

[Netserk]

What are you talking about ? Haha

Do you know what "hypocrisy" is? It's a specific term with a specific meaning.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

He will never be caught , if they do then cycling is dead

Don't we live in the cleanest era when it comes to positive dopig tests anyway in cycling? Why don't we all start to believe in miracles? So whatever is going on, the testing regime doesn't want to, or can't find any of it it seems.

 

[E_F_]

Of course money talks, and there's money in the circus at the moment.

 

[snipeheem]

Of course money talks, and there's money in the circus at the moment.

And the guy who is making them the most money is Pogacar with his team

 

[E_F_]

And the guy who is making them the most money is Pogacar with his team

Yeah. Well, I'm talking about all the other ones, but it seems like it.

 

[E_F_]

List their respective wins from age 14-18.

You're right about that lmao. Ayuso didn't do much before signing with UAE, and then promptly went on to do much.

 

[E_F_]

More times than not, things don’t go as you think they will

Real talent always rise to the top

Worthless argument. The most talented rider is the rider at the top; therefore the rider at the top is the most talented rider.

 

[Salvarani]

Mark Hughes' Stoke 2015, of which Bojan was apart of, was the zenith of football, peak brexitball none of this woke sh*t passing it around the back we see nowadays. Before bald frauds and trendy Dutch managers managed to ruin footy for everyone.

When Stoke had to move on from the long free-throws of Delap and crosses to Crouch

Look where they are now

 

[Salvarani]

Vinge is easily the most outrageous one

 

[Netserk]

It is really interesting observing the behaviors of some folks just getting into a frenzy over the pogacar wins. Full on fanboyism (or whatever the more clinically accurate psychological trait that falls under) in the modern world is fascinating - the more wins, and the more absurd the performances, the more the [[content deleted]] admiration.

It's the power of status. Popular actors as an example have similar simps. I could also easily give some GRAPES examples were it's clear that an action is hailed only because it's the action of that specific person.

 

[Salvarani]

It's so wild to me. Like you see Padun winning 2 Dauphine stages out of nowhere and everyone agrees that it's sus and everyone is in on the joke.

Yet now the single most outlandish doper is staring us right in the face and more than half the cycling fans think it's the greatest thing ever.

Excuse me what the ***

He is only lucky

 

[Cookster15]

What in the world does that have to do with the idea that Pogi didn't win much before joining UAE? Again, this was the original claim that you took exception to.

A non issue, why keep bringing that up? How old was Pogacar when he came under Gianetti? Do you expect riders to show their potential at 15? Quite clear at 20 there is huge natural progression. Someone else mentioned Ayuso. Likewise he is super young so will of course show significant improvement on his earlier results when he was just out of nappies..

You can't point to pre UAE results. You can suggest Gianetti has figured out how to identify great responders at a very young age.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Mark Hughes' Stoke 2015, of which Bojan was apart of, was the zenith of football, peak brexitball none of this woke sh*t passing it around the back we see nowadays. Before bald frauds and trendy Dutch managers managed to ruin footy for everyone.

U wot mate?

 

[Ripper]

It is really interesting observing the behaviors of some folks just getting into a frenzy over the pogacar wins. Full on fanboyism in the modern world is fascinating (or whatever the more clinically accurate psychological trait or behavioral theory fanboyism falls under, be it related to social identity or other). The more wins, and the more absurd the performances, the more the rabid admiration. So in the case of pogacar, the more dominant, the more certain fans are vested and excited to the extreme, while some other observers become increasingly less interested.

I find this all the more interesting because I follow bike racing and it is obviously happening. However, this is a tendency across different forums and topics, so not purely a CN or bike racing phenomenon. It does lead to practical challenges when trying to catch up on topics and there are an extraordinary number of posts (not just talking the clinic here)! And of course the level of hyperbole and trolling also increases greatly

 

[hrotha]

Armstrong was more humble than this dirt guy inside the bike. How many times he didn't attack, just to try to not receive difficult questions.

You know you don't need to whitewash past dopers and notorious a-holes to make a point about modern cycling, right? Armstrong may have been more pragmatic, but he hasn't been humble a single day in his life. You can't compare him favourably to "this dirt guy" on the bike until "this dirt guy" goes to a race and does something like, oh, I dunno, literal witness intimidation

 

[BullsFan22]

Watching it made me think of Tom Dumoulins comment during the 2020 Tour following the Planche des belles filles Time Trial. That what Pogi showed there he could win most races with just one leg. He is still using two though. It's ridiculous and boring but the commentators are still talking about the greatest cyclist ever. Instead of the farce we are witnessing.

Tom Dumoulin already saw the ridiculousness and quit. That guy was brilliant and we are the fools that kept watching and now it's beyond ridiculous. I'm out.

Longing for the Froome years. At least those years were plausible. Tactics boring but what you'd expect in reality.

The Froome (Sky) years were definitely not plausible. Some people here say that Pogačar never showed any signs during his Junior years he was going to be a world beater. Ok, fair enough, but what made people think that Froome was going to do what he did? Oh, that’s right, nothing.

 

[noob]

It is really interesting observing the behaviors of some folks just getting into a frenzy over the pogacar wins. Full on fanboyism in the modern world is fascinating (or whatever the more clinically accurate psychological trait or behavioral theory fanboyism falls under, be it related to social identity or other). The more wins, and the more absurd the performances, the more the rabid admiration. So in the case of pogacar, the more dominant, the more certain fans are vested and excited, while some other observers become increasingly less interested.

I find this all the more interesting because I follow bike racing and it is obviously happening. However, this is a tendency across different forums and topics, so not purely a CN or bike racing phenomenon. It does lead to practical challenges when trying to catch up on topics and there are an extraordinary number of posts (not just talking the clinic here)! And of course the level of hyperbole and trolling also increases greatly

I follow Asian fandoms with idols and actors etc and it's the same thing there. Absolutely bonkers to my eyes but I think people just wants to believe.

I remember how I thought Rasmussen wasn't doped when de Roij sent him home packing 🤣 Like literally I used to be so naive it's insane.

I wonder if younger age is possibly the factor both Asian idol fans and sport fans have in common.

 

[ashhutch1997]

Calling Pogacar Tiktok Armstrong was unwarranted.

Sorry Lance

He makes Armstrong look like Bassons

 

[noob]

I also have to say; I am so glad I didn't watch today's race. Seems to have been a complete farce.

 

[ashhutch1997]

Agreed

Combloux was way more insane and the biggest outlier of performance against the rest of the field one could find

I agree, it was absurd, but that was one day. Pogacar has been absurd all year, every race day, without a bad day.