Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Peyroteo94]

You can absolutely not know it. You're here only promoting the UAE:s pr narrative of somesort of super metabolism that apperead after he joined the team. And it even got so much better all the sudden this year. If you take 10k pro athletes, there's not going to be one invidual with hugely superior lactate clearance or what ever marginal ganes kind of narrative they're trying to sell, to give us a believable explanation.

I don't think Pogacar has a clear better program than everyone else and you are trying to sell he is getting a free pass to full dope when others aren't allowed too and that explains this gigantic gap.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Why not?

If we look at bodybuilding, where they can use all the drugs they want, it's easy to find guys that were vastly superior to the rest. Ronnie Coleman, Phil Heath... they weren't using anything different from everybody else and they were still much better for several years. Even to this day they're considered much better.

Whatever Pogacar/UAE are doing is not that different from Visma. Pogacar just responds better to whatever they are doing.

Spot on. Had to be a portuguese woman to make this wonderful post.

 

[carolina]

Another example: Mitchell Hooper, competes in strongman, another sport where they can dope all they want.

He turned pro in 2022 and is already considered one of the best strongman competitors of all time.

 

[TrekCyclist]

If you take 10k pro athletes, there's not going to be one invidual with hugely superior lactate clearance or what ever marginal ganes kind of narrative they're trying to sell, to give us a believable explanation.

Wasn't Usain Bolt exactely like that? Or Michael Phelbs?

 

[Red Rick]

I don't think Pogacar has a clear better program than everyone else and you are trying to sell he is getting a free pass to full dope when others aren't allowed too and that explains this gigantic gap.

Look at Usain Bolt. All the other 20 fastest 100m runners of his era were all busted at some point. Bolt always skated clean. Like you can't be serious.

 

[vwpe]

Look at Usain Bolt. All the other 20 fastest 100m runners of his era were all busted at some point. Bolt always skated clean. Like you can't be serious.

Some are just more natural gifted than others. How is that new. Why I didnt win the Tour. Pogacar is the best talent/ natural gifted since Merckx and even above him, the guy won TDF at age 20. Just enjoy the show.

 

[Froome]

Some are just more natural junkies than others. How is that new. Why I didnt win the Tour. Pogacar is the biggest cheater/doper since Armstrong and even above him, the guy won TDF at age 20. Just enjoy the show.

Correction. Now, your statement is right.

 

[vwpe]

Correction. Now, your statement is right.

Every other legend doped too I rode vs some even and people celebrate them too incl some here i assume. I think it comes down to personal preference.

 

[Salvarani]

Some are just more natural gifted than others. How is that new. Why I didnt win the Tour. Pogacar is the best talent/ natural gifted since Merckx and even above him, the guy won TDF at age 20. Just enjoy the show.

True that.

 

[pastronef]

and let's add another Hirschi win. I like him though

 

[Extinction]

Why not?

If we look at bodybuilding, where they can use all the drugs they want, it's easy to find guys that were vastly superior to the rest. Ronnie Coleman, Phil Heath... they weren't using anything different from everybody else and they were still much better for several years. Even to this day they're considered much better.

Whatever Pogacar/UAE are doing is not that different from Visma. Pogacar just responds better to whatever they are doing.

You can't compare bodybuilding to cycling, the bodybuilder wins on a certain horific unuantifiable aesthetic, the cyclist on quantifiable time/speed. Anyway Arnold looked way better , because afterward it just became too exaggerated. Arnold was a Lysippus statue, Coleman a digitalized Hulk.

In terms of cycling, can we really say Armstrong was more naturally gifted than Ullrich or was he on the best program? Lance didn't pay Ferrari a million to work exclusively for himself for nothing. To me, Jan had superior physiology. This is what makes it impossible to know where Pog really stands in the mother nature apartment, in my opinion.

 

[E_F_]

There have been some posts that unlike other dopers he is at least likable. I believe we saw how likable he is at the end of Flanders 22. In ant case, this is getting ridiculous...

Is there something I'm not remembering? I'm usually pretty tuned out after the last Paterberg, but still...

 

[Red Rick]

Is there something I'm not remembering? I'm usually pretty tuned out after the last Paterberg, but still...

Was screaming in Van Baarle's face for about 15 minutes.

 

[E_F_]

I am trying to indicate that it is possible for a human to be so much better than everybody else in any endeavor.

You're comparing the mind to the body, and while in your case they might be equally complex, as a rule that is not the case.

 

[E_F_]

Was screaming in Van Baarle's face for about 15 minutes.

Sounds like a nice chap/fellow

 

[E_F_]

Redbull Bora and Visma are not behind UAE.

Why do you think that? They quite literally are behind them in the standings! And they have smaller budgets!! How would you know such a thing?

 

[E_F_]

Usain Bolt, Armand Duplantis, Jonathan Edwards

Yeah... I think they all doped.

 

[Casual cyclist]

Humm ... tell us more. I'd have to check it out, but is that not the same as refusing to pee in a cup after a race?

There was an overhead shot right after the finish of WCRR last Sunday. It was discusses on these pages a week ago. The link was also posted by someone in response to a similar request. You can go back and find it. As to your question, yes, that appears to be quite similar. Look like the said commissaire was a relative newb not yet informed of the current "unwritten" rules of the game/circus.

 

[E_F_]

It needs to be said here: UAE may well have access to lighter, smaller, more powerful, more efficient motors/drivetrains/batteries, than anyone else. Also their money may simply allow them to get away with more than the rest.